Red Sox to acquire Soriano?

[redsoxrules]

I've posted Sorianos road numbers before and I'll post them again.

 

Avg: .224

Obp: .265

Slg: .374

OPS: .639

 

 

2006 salary, $10+ million.

 

He is horrible defensively. We have a pretty good 2b already. Soriano is the most overated player in baseball.

 

exactly plus when it comes playoff time he's like bellhorne strikes out all the time.hes not worth to get. 320 career OBP thats not that great ,s***** contact hitter as wel. Oh wait lets check the postseason stats

233 BA , 287 OBP . real nice in the clutch. i dont like him at all.

i dont know why we should go after him

[Cityofchampions33]

okay, this really is a dead issue, we probably have pointed out all the reasons not to acquire Soriano.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Mee too

 

I hated losing him in the Javy deal. I hated losing all 3 of those guys (Johnson, Juan RIvera, and Randy Choate, even though Choate isnt much of a player), actually.

That turned out to be such a waste. I thought Nick Johnson was a good ball player the problem with him is that hes always hurt.

[elsrbueno]

What everybody else already said is absolutely true. Soriano is EVERYTHING the Sox management doesn't like.

 

Ryan Church is a decent player but he ISN'T a prospect. He's 27 years old.

Nick Johnson will turn 28 this season (in September so he'll be 27 most of the year) and really has had his first full season just last year. His potential in Boston would be pretty good IMO, he hit 35 doubles and 15 homers playing half his games at RFK, he could probably be a .300 hitter and slug over .500 for the Sox. I also remember him being a pain in the Sox' ass when he was on the Yankees...

 

HOWEVER-- Church is a lefthanded hitter so he can't platoon with Trot Nixon and unless there's a trade the outfield is already pretty damn full. Also, with JT Snow and Youkilis at first, could Johnson get playing time? Youk could be traded I suppose, but then you have 2 lefthanded first baseman.... no me gusta.

 

Nick Johnson is a player I like very much. He's a good defensive first baseman if I remember properly and could really take off in Boston and has some power potential. They're probably better off sticking with what they've got and potentially signing Nick Johnson when he becomes a free agent in a couple years because then Youkilis could shift to third (when Lowell's contract is up)

 

The Sox are really best off trading Wells for prospects and keeping 6 starters.

[a700hitter]

They could move Loretta to 1B. He has played there before.

[elsrbueno]

They could move Loretta to 1B. He has played there before.

 

I honestly think putting Soriano at second and playing Loretta at another position (short, first), negates their efforts this winter to put a significant focus on defense.

 

I seriously doubt the Red Sox place a whole lot of value on Alfonso. He doesn't take walks, he strikes out a ton, he isn't a solid defensive player, he's WAY WAY overpaid for what he brings to the table, and his home/road splits are a telling sign.

 

I'm less worried about his power numbers than others seem to be, because he still put up some decent numbers playing half his games in Yankee stadium, but this guy seemed to always strike out when the Yankees needed him the most.

 

His offensive potential is very interesting because he's a 30-30 guy, but he wouldn't be 30-30 in Boston because the front office likes to play it safe with baserunners. Soriano's speed would be wasted in Boston.

 

My only interest in Alfonso is as an outfielder, and that doesn't work for 2 reasons: #1, we've already got a full outfield, and #2 he won't play the outfield.

[riverside sluggers]

HOWEVER-- Church is a lefthanded hitter so he can't platoon with Trot Nixon and unless there's a trade the outfield is already pretty damn full

 

I was suggesting Church to platoon with Trot, him being left-handed cant negate the fact that thus far he has hit a good .310 avg against lefty pitching. He also would stand as the best option for a backup outfielder because of his versitality (play all 3 OF spots) and has not made a single error in his first 132 games.

 

Also I believe there is potential for him to have a full time gig. The Expos & Nats' ballparks are both pitcher's parks. Home vs Away is a big comparison

 

Home: (.239 avg) (.305 OBP)

Away: (.297 avg) (.370 OBP)

[26 to 6]

Theres been some talk about Ameriquest ...

 

Field Dimensions: As indicated above, the outfield dimensions are asymmetrical, a feature common to ballparks constructed in the early 20th century. From home plate to the left field foul pole is 332 feet with an increase to 390 feet in the left field power alley. Straightaway center field measures 400 feet, then moves to the deepest point, 407 feet, approaching right center. The Rangers' bullpen comes into play in right field as a 381-foot power alley juts out to 377 feet at the right corner of the bullpen. There is again a dramatic decrease in distance in the right field corner as the foul pole sits just 325 feet from home plate.

 

The outfield fences are eight feet in center and right fields and 14 feet in left. The playing surface is 22 feet below street level.

 

According to studies done before construction, the prevailing winds are south-southeast. The effect of the wind is greatly reduced by the fact that the ballpark is completely enclosed by a four-story office building in center field. In addition, a giant windscreen, measuring 42 by 430 feet, was installed on the roof of the office building to further minimize the wind.

Thanks MC.

[a700hitter]

but this guy seemed to always strike out when the Yankees needed him the most.

What about his 2001 WS Game 7 HR that should have won the Championship for the Yankees?

[jsinger121]

that is one instance. soriano has definitely taken steps back since 2001. he is a very overrated ballplayer and is likely going to get worse not better.

[a700hitter]

that is one instance. soriano has definitely taken steps back since 2001. he is a very overrated ballplayer and is likely going to get worse not better.

Hit .268 with 18 HRs in 2001. In 2002-2005, he has averaged more than 30 HRs per year and he raised his career average to .280.

[jsinger121]

and his career obp is .320 and he strikeouts a ton and plays shoddy defense. i would pass.

[a700hitter]

He would be a major threat hitting in the 7th or 8th spot.

[jsinger121]

i would rather have a better defense for our pitching staff than have soriano in the lineup. not a fan of soriano and never will be a fan of a player who has been overrated by many

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I've been thinking about this...and although I don't love the idea...it's becoming a shade more appealing to me when I think about it. I'd get a read to see if Loretta could move to short...and if so, switch him to short and put Sori at 2nd and keep AGone as a late inning defensive replacement. It's a roundabout thing...but can you see Manny, Papi, Sori somewhere in the lineup and then, late in the game, bringing in Gonzalez at 2B? Or, even moreeeeeeee roundabout, bringing Gonzalez in at Short and moving Loretta to second? I'd prefer the former, because I don't like the idea of Loretta having to switch positions mid game.

 

And another thing...say what you want about Sori...but I believe in Fenway he's the most realistic 40/40 threat in baseball (If the RedSox send him EVER, which it's clear they're not keen on doing to anyone) aaaaaaaaaand he only struck out once more then Papi and 6 times more then Manny last year...

 

I'd like to see them deal Clement instead of Arroyo, call me sentimental, but I like the idea of at least keeping some of the 04 squad together. Clement did go 10-2 last year to start the season...

 

s*** I dunno...I could have written a post to the contrary and convinced myself otherwise too. Goddamnit, maybe Theo's job isn't that easy after all

[Cityofchampions33]

This reeeaaaaly is getting annoying arguing over Soriano, there are so many negatives and not enough improvement to getting him to replace someone better in what we need.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

This reeeaaaaly is getting annoying arguing over Soriano, there are so many negatives and not enough improvement to getting him to replace someone better in what we need.

 

 

If the scenario of moving Loretta to shortstop and bringing Soriano in to play Second...do you honestly feel that Soriano's defense would give up more runs then his speed/bat would create? I KNOW that moving Loretta to SS is a HUGE HUGE HUUUUUUGE (Huge Tom Huge - Reference for fellow 'Cuse posters...) if...but a possiblity nonetheless. Follow the formula below, we all know how huge Theo is on formulas and numbers...

 

Produced/Prevented By Loretta and Zalez - Allowed Due to Errors by Lorreta and Zalez = ?

Produced/Prevented By Loretta and Sori - Allowed Due to Errors by Sori and Loretta = ?

 

I really think you're going to get a higher number from the bottom equation. Do you disagree?

 

If they could deal Clement, who's making a solid 12 million next year...and get Sori back making 10 million you're actually CUTTING 2 million of team salary. I don't know, it's really starting to not sound too bad to me.

 

I don't think it'll happen though, I think that the Nationals would ask for somethign platooned with Clement, and I wouldn't be down for that.

[jsinger121]

having loretta at short and soriano at second significantly weakens the defense up the middle. loretta does not have the range to play short and soriano is a lousy defensive secondbaseman. our team is fine the way it is without acquiring a defensive liability in soriano.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

.309 OBP last year dude. Nuff said.

[jsinger121]

.309 OBP last year dude. Nuff said.

 

.320 obp for his career and that likely will not get that much better

[Cityofchampions33]

We already have a potent lineup that has the potential to be even more powerful then in recent years, we shouldnt sacrifice defense for maybe a few homers here and there.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Well, Soriano will hit more than a few more homers than Loretta, but he is a free hacker and his fielding looks like "a nine year old trying to catch a watermelon with a mousepad." (Sportsblah.com).

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, I woulda said a ton, but his strikeout total is horrendous.

But we don't need his 30-40 HRs, which we can easily make up with:

Gonzalez hitting 15+

-Improvement over E-Rent

Lowell hitting 20+

-Improvement over Mueller

Youkilis hitting 15+

-Improvement over Millar

Loretta hitting 10+

-Improvement over Bellhorn/Graffy

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Would you rather have 4 players add up to 60 homers or one player add up to 35? If you've read Moneyball, Jason Giambi, or Scott Hatteberg, David Justice, and Jeremy Giambi? I'm not saying I want Sori, but you saying that those four players would be better than having 1 35 HR guy is crazy.

 

If the players hit as many HRs as you said:

 

2B: minus 1 home run

SS: +7 HRs

3B: +10 HRs

1B: (Millar and Olerud) -2

 

A net gain of 14 home runs. Now if we had Soriano come in and hit 36 HR like he did last year, it's +26 while taking up one spot.

 

+26 from one player, or +14 from four? :dunno:

 

edit: for the record, I don't want Soriano, but arguing against him in the HR category is pointless

[Cityofchampions33]

I'm saying we already have way more than enough potential offense in those players, who are improvements on both sides of the plate then last eyars opening day players. Therefor we don't need to trade a valuable trading chip on something we don't need and ONLY upside is hitting longballs.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

True that is the only upside, but you were talking about homers before and if you're going to go by that then Soriano is a great pickup, but that is really not the case.

[Cityofchampions33]

Nah, I meant that there's really no need for him, as we have what he does best up n down our lineup

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Nah, I meant that there's really no need for him, as we have what he does best up n down our lineup

 

Indeed. But there is still no denying that it's damn nice getting 35 homers from 2B, although it's nice if he can field.

[Cityofchampions33]

We mighta got that from Luis Soto if he develops and wasn't switched to OF.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

 

Produced/Prevented By Loretta and Zalez - Allowed Due to Errors by Lorreta and Zalez = ?

Produced/Prevented By Loretta and Sori - Allowed Due to Errors by Sori and Loretta = ?

 

I really think you're going to get a higher number from the bottom equation. Do you disagree?

 

 

 

Stillllllllllllllll no one as disagreed with this...