Red Sox Stat of the Day

[TheRivernator]

I don't think your pitching was better than the angels.

 

did you read my post? I didnt say ours was better than the angels, I said our pitching gave the white sox fits. Look it up....

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Please, we won the division fair and square. We won the head to head matchups so the division title goes to us in a tie. And yes, you got swept by the eventual champions. And please, I hate when Sox fans make a big deal about the Yankee payroll as if they dont have the SECOND biggest payroll. It gets ridiculous. Such hypocrites.

 

And by second biggest payroll you are referring to a team that spent 85 MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YANKEES.

 

That's the equivalent of me saying "yeah, all those other teams complain that our payroll is so much bigger than theirs, just because we spend 85 MILLION DOLLARS more than them. Hypocrites all!"

 

Two reasons this argument is absurd:

1) If you accept the Red Sox/Yankees disparity as essentially even (i.e., they both spend a lot of money), and you accept that disparity to the degree that you are willing to say the sox are doing the same thing as the Yankees, then the same thing would apply for teams below the red sox. Any team within 85 million dollars of the Red Sox would be hypocritical to blame them for spending more. Teams within 85 million dollars of the Red Sox:

Mets

Angels

Phillies

Cardinals

Giants

Mariners

Cubs

Braves

Dodgers

Astros

White Sox

Orioles

Tigers

Padres

Diamondbacks

Reds

Marlins

Twins

Rangers

Athletics

Nationals

Rockies

Blue Jays

Guardians

Brewers

 

Wow. The Yankees spent more than 150 Million dollars more than the Twins, Rangers, A's, nationals, Rockies, Blue Jays, Guardians, Brewers, Pirates, Royals, and D-Rays. Wow. The Red Sox spent 100 million dollars more than nobody.

 

 

2) The red sox are currently ATTEMPTING to spend less money. Their payroll dropped from 2004 last year and they (as listed above) just got a number of players for the amount of money the Yanks are spending for Johnny Damon.

 

Are we really grasping at straws here? Perhaps. I mean, the red sox spend the second most money of all teams. But that is a really naive way of looking at it. How can people on one hand say "the red sox are a big market team, they SHOULD spend money to be like the yankees", then I hear excuses like "YOU do it too, hypocrite" as if you know it is a bad thing, as if it is embarassing, and you're looking for a way out.

 

The Red Sox spend 60% of what the Yankees do. Would you say that a pitcher with a lot of walks is a good pitcher because there is another pitcher who has 60% of his number? How about players who hit 60% the amount of RBI's, are they basically the same?

 

Yankees payroll next year (according to hardballdollars.com), ASSUMING they had to pay the luxary tax: 255,780,000

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Here's a neat little exercise. Go to this site and copy the spending for each team: http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

 

Take that copied info, open Excel, and paste it in the first box. Then, with all that information cited, view it as a vertical bar graph.

 

Look and tell me, which is more the outlier: The Yankees vs. the Red Sox and everyone else, or the Red Sox and all the other teams. I think you'll notice that there is a nice gradual progression leading from the poorest team gradually up to the Red Sox, and then, like freaking Angel Falls or the Grand Canyon a gigantic jump to the Yankees. Honestly man, its not even close.

 

(if anyone knows how to paste that graph I will, but I couldn't figure it out).

 

EDIT: forgot one 'e'

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

We had the type of pitching that they didnt like. For some reason Chacon, Small and Wang gave them fits....

Yeah I remember Chacon threw a shutout against them at US Cellular.

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I don't think your pitching was better than the angels.

I disagree. But its ok.

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And by second biggest payroll you are referring to a team that spent 85 MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THE YANKEES.

 

That's the equivalent of me saying "yeah, all those other teams complain that our payroll is so much bigger than theirs, just because we spend 85 MILLION DOLLARS more than them. Hypocrites all!"

 

Two reasons this argument is absurd:

1) If you accept the Red Sox/Yankees disparity as essentially even (i.e., they both spend a lot of money), and you accept that disparity to the degree that you are willing to say the sox are doing the same thing as the Yankees, then the same thing would apply for teams below the red sox. Any team within 85 million dollars of the Red Sox would be hypocritical to blame them for spending more. Teams within 85 million dollars of the Red Sox:

Mets

Angels

Phillies

Cardinals

Giants

Mariners

Cubs

Braves

Dodgers

Astros

White Sox

Orioles

Tigers

Padres

Diamondbacks

Reds

Marlins

Twins

Rangers

Athletics

Nationals

Rockies

Blue Jays

Guardians

Brewers

 

Wow. The Yankees spent more than 150 Million dollars more than the Twins, Rangers, A's, nationals, Rockies, Blue Jays, Guardians, Brewers, Pirates, Royals, and D-Rays. Wow. The Red Sox spent 100 million dollars more than nobody.

 

 

2) The red sox are currently ATTEMPTING to spend less money. Their payroll dropped from 2004 last year and they (as listed above) just got a number of players for the amount of money the Yanks are spending for Johnny Damon.

 

Are we really grasping at straws here? Perhaps. I mean, the red sox spend the second most money of all teams. But that is a really naive way of looking at it. How can people on one hand say "the red sox are a big market team, they SHOULD spend money to be like the yankees", then I hear excuses like "YOU do it too, hypocrite" as if you know it is a bad thing, as if it is embarassing, and you're looking for a way out.

 

The Red Sox spend 60% of what the Yankees do. Would you say that a pitcher with a lot of walks is a good pitcher because there is another pitcher who has 60% of his number? How about players who hit 60% the amount of RBI's, are they basically the same?

 

Yankees payroll next year (according to hardballdollars.com), ASSUMING they had to pay the luxary tax: 255,780,000

--------------

 

Here's a neat little exercise. Go to this site and copy the spending for each team: http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

 

Take that copied info, open Excel, and past it in the first box. Then, with all that information cited, view it as a vertical bar graph.

 

Look and tell me, which is more the outlier: The Yankees vs. the Red Sox and everyone else, or the Red Sox and all the other teams. I think you'll notice that there is a nice gradual progression leading from the poorest team gradually up to the Red Sox, and then, like freaking Angel Falls or the Grand Canyon a gigantic jump to the Yankees. Honestly man, its not even close.

 

(if anyone knows how to paste that graph I will, but I couldn't figure it out).

I get what youre saying. But seriously, you guys arent a small market team and you can spend as much as us. It is so irritating though when Sox fans bitch about our payroll when they have the second highest payroll. You guys have 28 teams behind you in that department.

 

Does anyone have the EXACT payrolls for both the Yanks and Sox last year? Exact, I know i had a site a whiole back, but I forgot what it was.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

ESPN.com has the payrolls but I dont know if they are exact.

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I said the whole time, you can even go back and check the posts if you'd like, that I would prefer to play the White Sox. I think we matched up much better against them. And the fact that Anaheim is the only team to have a winning record against us from 1996-now and how they Always give us hell, I would have been perfectly content giving that one to you guys.

 

That's a good point. I think both teams lost because they played the wrong team in the first round. The sox have done well against the Angels recently. I'm confident they could have won against them. Honestly, though, I don't think anyone would have done very well against the white sox last year. they were just peaking at the right time.

 

And about the division, I have no problem with the Yankees getting it last year. The sox led for most of the season and ended up with the same record as the yankees, logically I see why the Yankees won, but I won't look back on that season with my kids and say "yeah, the yankees clearly won the division that year". They were neck and neck and were tied.

 

Its one of those things that, looking back, I bet the sox and yankees both wish they could have played one another to finish it, but NOBODY wanted to play game 163 before the playoffs; not sox fans, or yankee fans, or the players themselves. It is only now, two months before the next season starts, that I wish they could have played it

[example1]

I get what youre saying. But seriously, you guys arent a small market team and you can spend as much as us. It is so irritating though when Sox fans bitch about our payroll when they have the second highest payroll. You guys have 28 teams behind you in that department.

 

Does anyone have the EXACT payrolls for both the Yanks and Sox last year? Exact, I know i had a site a whiole back, but I forgot what it was.

 

2005:

Yankees: 208,306,817

Red Sox: 123,505,125

 

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/teampayroll.asp

 

EDIT: no, the red sox are not a small market team. Okay. Feel better now? The one analogy that comes to mind is drug use: people who use, be it alcohol or drugs, often rely on others as enablers, co-dependents, etc., The yankees are like the drunkard from college who keeps it up into his 30's when everyone else has stepped back. In case you didn't notice, the day of big spending was the late 90's and early 00's. Everyone throughout the league understood that Manny and A-Rod were truly absurd contracts. At the time everyone thought more and more players would keep earning more and more. A-Rod and Manny's contracts were like the bender or scarry drug experience that backs a lot of people off, be it a hangover or a scarry psychedelic experience. After a year or two people went "woah... maybe we've gone a little too far" and there hasn't been a larger contract yet. And GOOD players have signed contracts: beltran, vlad, pedro and nobody has come close to those. They are GIGANTIC contracts.

 

So, yeah, the sox are a big market team. And they act like most other big market teams. Again, it is the Yankees who are the outliers, not the sox and yankees. The red sox are much more like the mets, dodgers, and angels than they are like the Kevin Brown/Giambi/Wright-kees.

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