David Wells question

[24redsox]

Does any one know which prospects the Sox want from the Dodgers for Wells and which ones the Dodgers want to send us?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I heard they would give us Yhenzy Brazoban.

 

But f*** that. I like your avatar.

[jsinger121]

i heard broxton but i don't think the dodgers would give him up. ned colleti has a giants background so many he has alittle of sabean in him as well in which he would give up young talent for aging veterans.

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I heard they would give us Yhenzy Brazoban.

 

But f*** that. I like your avatar.

Thoe things are huge, maybe a little too huge!

[24redsox]

Do you think the Dodgers would trade us Chad Billingsley for Wells?

[24redsox]

Thoe things are huge, maybe a little too huge!

 

There is no such thing as too huge on a thin, beautiful woman.

[jimmycarter05]

Thoe things are huge, maybe a little too huge!

 

 

 

Too Huge? Please tell me I didn't read that. I love your avatar 24RedSox.

[jsinger121]

Billingsley for Wells? billingsley is their #1 prospect in a deep dodgers system. there is probably zero chance he will ever be traded for wells.

[Cityofchampions33]

24redsox is ur avatar a picture of you?

[24redsox]

Billingsley for Wells? billingsley is their #1 prospect in a deep dodgers system. there is probably zero chance he will ever be traded for wells.

 

Where do you hear that from? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious.

[jsinger121]

he is baseball america's #1 prospect as well as many other experts. the dodgers would laugh at the red sox if they asked for billingsley for wells.

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24redsox is ur avatar a picture of you?

good question

 

...and dont get the wrong idea behing my "too huge" comment...I like them very much

[CrespoBlows]

Does any one know which prospects the Sox want from the Dodgers for Wells and which ones the Dodgers want to send us?

 

The Dodgers would probably send us Jonathon Broxton (P), Willy Aybar (IF), or Edwin Jackson (P).

[jsinger121]

i would agree with that. thats the best you will do for wells. broxton is rated #5 by BA. jackson has been a disappointment so far.

[jsinger121]

The Padres yesterday renewed talks with the Red Sox regarding David Wells.

All indications are that the Padres would still want to include Woody Williams in a Wells deal. "If we got Wells, it probably would mean a pitcher going back the other way," GM Kevin Towers said. The Red Sox have interest in Dave Roberts, but not if it means taking Williams' salary, too. The Dodgers look like the favorites here.

-San Diego Union Tribune

[jimmycarter05]

good question

 

...and dont get the wrong idea behing my "too huge" comment...I like them very much

 

 

Oh,I gotcha now, but you were scaring me there man before.

[riverside sluggers]

Boston Globe

 

The Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox, Dodgers and A's have discussed a three-way deal that would send David Wells to the Dodgers and prospects to the A's. Boston would receive a corner outfielder from the Dodgers plus a player from Oakland. We can't imagine it's J.D. Drew, because if the Red Sox were interested, there would have been more rumors by now. A healthy Jayson Werth would make a lot of sense for Boston, as he could act as center-field insurance and as a platoon partner for Trot Nixon in right field. However, he's coming back from wrist surgery and may not be 100 percent. Ricky Ledee (maybe) and Jose Cruz Jr. (that'd be funny) would seem to be the other possibilities. From Oakland, the Red Sox would probably want Justin Duchscherer, although to get him, they'd likely have to throw in some additional talent. Jay Payton would be a great fit if only he didn't burn bridges with the team in July. It might be a pitcher like Joe Kennedy, Kirk Saarloos or Jairo Garcia.

 

big yes to Duchscherer, if Sox dont have to give up much for him. Garcia I wouldnt mind that much. But Kennedy and Saarloos are too erratic for me.

 

Kennedy has had his fair share of seasons with ERAs above 5 or even 6. He bodes a 4.91 ERA with a shoddy 35-51 record

 

Saarloos is nowhere near a strikeout pitcher which does not compare to the current staff we have now. Take note that in 2005 he just had 53 Ks in 160 innings pitched. He bodes a career 4.80 ERA, and 160 innings pitched is the most he has gone to.

[Cityofchampions33]

I wouldn't mid getting Werth at all, I'l take him even with the wrist injury over the other two. I like this deal especially if we get Duchscherer.

[riverside sluggers]

eh id still have cruz over werth. He has more pop in his bat, good speed, and is a former gold glover.

 

Werth: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6423/career;_ylt=Ar3DQU9PfFs4zP7IU90A4.CFCLcF

 

Cruz: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5786/career;_ylt=Ar3DQU9PfFs4zP7IU90A4.CFCLcF

 

LeDee, a former Yankee: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5769/career;_ylt=Ar3DQU9PfFs4zP7IU90A4.CFCLcF

[elsrbueno]

Boston Globe

 

 

 

big yes to Duchscherer, if Sox dont have to give up much for him. Garcia I wouldnt mind that much. But Kennedy and Saarloos are too erratic for me.

 

Kennedy has had his fair share of seasons with ERAs above 5 or even 6. He bodes a 4.91 ERA with a shoddy 35-51 record

 

Saarloos is nowhere near a strikeout pitcher which does not compare to the current staff we have now. Take note that in 2005 he just had 53 Ks in 160 innings pitched. He bodes a career 4.80 ERA, and 160 innings pitched is the most he has gone to.

 

If the Sox can get Jairo Garcia for David Wells, they'd be stupid not to do so. If I had a choice of Garcia or Duchscherer, I'd take Garcia in a heartbeat. Duchscherer was VERY good last year, but Garcia is 6 years younger and his numbers in AAA last year were nasty. 73 K's in 48 innings (that's 13.7 K's /9) and a pretty high walk total at 20, but the kid's just 22 years old and he's still got a K/BB ratio of 3:1. He had a high ERA but he's shown that he can dominate. He may start the season at AAA, but adding a young power arm like his would be very very nice.

 

I've never been a fan of Ricky Ledee, and while I think Jose Cruz Jr was not given an opportunity here in Boston, he'd be a last resort IMO. Jason Werth to me is at best a 4th outfielder, and he hit .239 against lefties last year so a platoon with Nixon for him is not a realistic expectation. One option that makes sense from LA to me is Hee Seop Choi, a lefty first baseman who can platoon with Youkilis.

 

Another alternative if the Sox want to cut out the middle man is deal Wells + something for Garcia and Mark Kotsay. With Oakland's glut of outfielders (Bradley, Kotsay, Keilty, Payton, Swisher), they could trade an outfielder and still be perfectly fine (either Payton or Bradley could shift to center). That deal would seem to make the most amount of sense for Boston given their need for a centerfielder and Kotsay being pretty decent.

 

For Wells alone, I'd take a package of Jason Werth and Jairo Garcia. Werth is young (by Red Sox standards) and right handed and would cover the 4th outfielder spot, and Garcia is a tremendous young arm.

[riverside sluggers]

Boston Globe

 

The Sox also continue to talk with the Dodgers and Athletics about a possible three-way deal involving David Wells, who would go to LA, while the Sox would facilitate the return of Jay Payton to Boston, with Payton presumably happier in an everyday role than he was as a backup last year.

 

Jay Payton would be a perfect fit to slot in center field. Though, he needs to win back Red Sox Nation. He quickly became a fan favorite, but that blowup in Texas had tarnished that.

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Payton would be okay. He doesn't answer the leadoff quesiton though he does have some decent pop. I just looked at his numbers and he didn't actually do that well last season. It felt like I was always hearing his name in Oakland games, but his .302 OBP with Oakland indicates otherwise... He did have 13 HR and 42 RBI in 69 games though. That would put him on pace for a .270/.310/.450/760 or so, with about 20 HR and 85 RBI. Not bad, not good. Bellhornish. That seems like the textbook definition of a stop-gap CF replacement to me.

 

We could do better, in time. Right now though, I would almost rather have Dave Roberts than Payton. Roberts had a .784 OPS last year, scoring 65 runs. He stole 23 bases too, but with 12 caught stealings you have to wonder if he has the same speed as his 38/3 stolen/caught ratio from 04. In any case, he (unlike Payton) was a crowd favorite, a guy that has forever etched himself into Sox lore and he would be able to leadoff. If he could repeat his .356 OBP the sox would be fine (compare with Damon's .366). He would still come around to score pretty often and could be a pesk up at the top of the order.

 

Roberts

Loretta

Ortiz

Manny

Tek

Nixon

Lowell

Youkilis

SS (Pedroia/Cora/???)

 

Not a horrible lineup either. 7 good veteran hitters, 1-2 younger guys being asked to contribute for the first time... could be good stuff to watch.

 

EDIT: proofreading my bad math.

[riverside sluggers]

good point, no doubt.

 

But the Padres talks have died down considerably since San Diego now has an abundance of starting pitchers

 

Jake Peavy

Chris Young

Woody Williams

Dewon Brazelton

Chan Ho Park

Shawn Estes

Tim Stauffer

 

The Padres' GM kevin Towers is willing to work with Boston if they take on 40 year old Woody Williams as well. No thanks to that, and Im sure Sox have said the same thing. As for Roberts, I love the guy, but it is possible to point out that 2005 was the best year he has had in his career, especially in amount of HRs, which was 8?

 

Him coming back would really jeopardize the lasting impression in Red Sox Nation's minds. Sure he'd get the biggest standing O at Fenway yet, me alongside them. What if he were to revert back to hitting .260 or lower with 2 or 3 Hrs for the season? We saw what happened when Bellhorn/Foulke/Schilling/Embree flopped in the following season, I dont want to see that happen to him.

[elsrbueno]

Payton would be okay. He doesn't answer the leadoff quesiton though he does have some decent pop. I just looked at his numbers and he didn't actually do that well last season. It felt like I was always hearing his name in Oakland games, but his .302 OBP with Oakland indicates otherwise... He did have 13 HR and 42 RBI in 69 games though. That would put him on pace for a .270/.310/.450/760 or so, with about 20 HR and 85 RBI. Not bad, not good. Bellhornish. That seems like the textbook definition of a stop-gap CF replacement to me.

 

We could do better, in time. Right now though, I would almost rather have Dave Roberts than Payton. Roberts had a .784 OPS last year, scoring 65 runs. He stole 23 bases too, but with 12 caught stealings you have to wonder if he has the same speed as his 38/3 stolen/caught ratio from 04. In any case, he (unlike Payton) was a crowd favorite, a guy that has forever etched himself into Sox lore and he would be able to leadoff. If he could repeat his .356 OBP the sox would be fine (compare with Damon's .366). He would still come around to score pretty often and could be a pesk up at the top of the order.

 

Roberts

Loretta

Ortiz

Manny

Tek

Nixon

Lowell

Youkilis

SS (Pedroia/Cora/???)

 

Not a horrible lineup either. 7 good veteran hitters, 1-2 younger guys being asked to contribute for the first time... could be good stuff to watch.

 

EDIT: proofreading my bad math.

 

While he doesn't fill the leadoff hole for Boston, if I had my choice in a trade for Wells I'd take Payton over Roberts. I don't know if he burned his bridges with Tito and company last year but as far as baseball skills are concerned Payton IMO is more valuable. He's never been a base stealer in his career but he has good baserunning ability and is reasonably fast. He also has some pop in his bat and his OBP in Oakland was lower than his career averages. He's got good range in center and a better arm than Johnny Damon. I think he's signed through this year and would (IMO) be a good stopgap guy in center. Acquiring Payton to play center everyday would force a guy like Loretta into the leadoff spot, which isn't ideal but Payton IMO has more offensive weapons than Roberts. If you take a look his career numbers, Roberts had a career year last year. His AVG, OBP, and SLG were all well above his career averages and all were very close to career highs. His stolen base numbers were down considerably and he really is a slap hitter with not a whole lot of power.

 

good point, no doubt.

 

But the Padres talks have died down considerably since San Diego now has an abundance of starting pitchers

 

Jake Peavy

Chris Young

Woody Williams

Dewon Brazelton

Chan Ho Park

Shawn Estes

Tim Stauffer

 

The Padres' GM kevin Towers is willing to work with Boston if they take on 40 year old Woody Williams as well. No thanks to that, and Im sure Sox have said the same thing. As for Roberts, I love the guy, but it is possible to point out that 2005 was the best year he has had in his career, especially in amount of HRs, which was 8?

 

Him coming back would really jeopardize the lasting impression in Red Sox Nation's minds. Sure he'd get the biggest standing O at Fenway yet, me alongside them. What if he were to revert back to hitting .260 or lower with 2 or 3 Hrs for the season? We saw what happened when Bellhorn/Foulke/Schilling/Embree flopped in the following season, I dont want to see that happen to him.

 

Riverside-- I agree with you here that San Diego is less inclined to deal for Wells at this point. I think a much more likely senario for Wells is LA. They just lost Weaver for good, and Colletti made comments after the Seo trade with the Mets that they were still interested in adding one more starter. The Dodgers have more expendable young arms than San Diego does anyway and I'd love to capitalize on the fact that the Dodgers seem to have lost faith in Edwin Jackson and get him to Boston in that deal.

 

Oakland's interest in Wells is curious to me. They've already got two veterans in Loaiza and Zito, and some good youngsters in Harden, Haren and Blanton and still have their #5 from last year in Kirk Sarloos. The only way that makes sense to me is a 3-way in which Wells ends up in LA and the A's get prospects. To me they seem to have little use for David Wells.

 

The West coast teams that have never been mentioned but to me should have some real interest are Seattle and San Fransisco. The Giants added Matt Morris but the 3-5 spots will be covered by rookies. They've got a relatively old core with Moises Alou, Barry Bonds, Steve Finley, and Omar Vizquel and it would behoove them (IMO) to try to win soon especially with the NL West up for grabs. A move for Wells would strengthen their chances considerably.

 

Seattle's a long shot for a few reasons. #1, they probably don't have a good enough team even with Wells to win the AL West. #2, they already have a crafty veteran lefty in Jaime Moyer, why would they want 2?, and #3, Wells wanted to be closer to his San Diego home, and while Seattle's a heck of a lot closer to San Diego than Boston is, it's not exactly his dream destination. Of course Wells doesn't have a no trade clause so he would have little say in the matter. Seattle would seem to make sense if Wells could fetch Reed..... but again not sure if there's a match there.

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I was over at mlb4u.com looking up Woody's contract, and I agree with everyone who says they don't want him as part of the package with Roberts for Wells. I thought his deal was pretty incentive loaded, like Boomer's, and the Sox could just put him in mop-up mode, a la Remlinger last year, to avoid having to pay him serious dough. But, as it turns out, his heavy incentive year was last year, and he made enough starts last year to guarantee 2006 at $5M + $66K for each start. Too much for the mop-up guy.

 

Also, I found a link on the San Diego team page. Apparently someone doesn't like Jay Payton as this was the title of the link:

 

JayPaytonSucks.com

 

Scroll down and check out the poll, haha. Once you participate in the poll, you get the last 5 visitor comments. Here's the 5 before my vote:

 

Last 5 Visitor Comments:

 

 

1. jay payron gave me AIDS

2. jay payton is a master. he is the only player ever on the padres that could ground into a double play every time the pads were making a come back...bravo.

3. u suck

4. Jay Payton is gay and i could field better then him with my glove on my dick

5. sucks fat donkey balls

[riverside sluggers]

With Woody Williams, its not so much his contract that irks me. He's too much erratic for me. Petco Park for the Padres is as we know a pitcher's park, and he produced a 4.85 ERA. NL standards thats not that good.

[ORS]

I'm well aware of what terrible pitcher he is, which is why I said he should be in the Remlinger role if they got him. This team does need a CF, and Dave Roberts can do the job for a year. If Woody Williams is the baggage and he's at low $$, then it's worth it to take so long as he doesn't get the ball when it's less than a 5-run game. Since he isn't at low $$, then Roberts is looking a lot more expensive.

[elsrbueno]

With Woody Williams, its not so much his contract that irks me. He's too much erratic for me. Petco Park for the Padres is as we know a pitcher's park, and he produced a 4.85 ERA. NL standards thats not that good.

 

Woody Williams is an old, very well paid version of Bronson Arroyo. He's servicable, but he's by no means worthy of a spot in Boston's rotation. He doesn't kill himself with walks but he's very hittable and he isn't the kind of guy who can rack up strikeouts. I keep referencing pitchers strikeout rates because to me that's a good sign of how dominant a pitcher is. If he isn't striking folks out, he's not a very dominant pitcher and he relies way too much on his defense-- which most years in Boston is bad news.

 

Another thing about Woody that stands out is his home/road splits. He was 4-5 with a 6.38 ERA away from Pedco Park. Another thing to remember is that the Padres played 19 games each against the Giants, Diamondbacks, and Rockies-- weak teams. Put him in the AL East against offenses like Baltimore, New York, and Toronto (plus the added DH) in a hitters' park at Fenway and he's going to get LIT UP.

 

The Red Sox would be better off letting Wells retire and having him forfeit his guaranteed money than taking Woody Williams back in a trade.

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That would put him on pace for a .270/.310/.450/760 or so, with about 20 HR and 85 RBI. Not bad, not good. Bellhornish.

 

Bellhornish is .225 .380 .440 .820 with 150 K's. The day bellhorn hits .270 is the day I stop watching baseball. Take a look at Bellhorns career. What a statistical freak he was.

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PS. I dont want Dave Roberts and his career .340 OB% leading off for the RedSox. He is a below average leadoff hitter.