Sox and Yankees only teams to pay Luxury tax

[castigs850]

i like the idea of other teams competing (what reason do i have not to) but the thought of making some teams suffer for making good choices or having money to spend just isnt fair

 

ps im a redsox fan so dont push any of the yankee fan s*** on me

[Optimist]

i like the idea of other teams competing (what reason do i have not to) but the thought of making some teams suffer for making good choices or having money to spend just isnt fair

 

ps im a redsox fan so dont push any of the yankee fan s*** on me

 

OMG!!11one1!! Y d0 u hat baesbal1 s0 moch, j4ck4$$!?!/?/1

 

(Kidding, of course. )

[castigs850]

OMG!!11one1!! Y d0 u hat baesbal1 s0 moch, j4ck4$$!?!/?/1

 

(Kidding, of course. )

wtf was all of that im pretty sure i was siding with you

[Optimist]

Now this is truly funny. Do you honestly think that Toronto's 9/10 home games against the Yankees each year will fill more seats than if the Jays were a competitive team for all 81 games? The case becomes even more unlikely when considering non-division opponents, since there are only 3/6 home games against each of the big-market clubs.

 

The Yankees bring fans to the stadium----> fans have a good time at the game -----> fans come back for more games in the future.

 

This is a time tested truth, winners fill the seats.

 

Another time tested truth is... building a winning team isn't always expensive. It takes time, but it can be done without spending a lot of money. Teams should be responsible for making themselves competitors, not the Commissioner of Baseball.

[Optimist]

wtf was all of that im pretty sure i was siding with you

 

I was being sarcastic...making a joke. Sorry.

[castigs850]

I was being sarcastic...making a joke. Sorry.

o dont worry about it i figured u were making a joke with the just kidding think i just didnt get it

[Optimist]

thank you optimist. at least you made me laugh to day.

 

I'm glad I could do that. (I really don't care if you're insulting me.)

 

wow. this conversation is over.

 

Really!? Well...I guess this is going to be a blue Christmas after all.

 

 

Oh well, I'll never understand why so many people are opposed to the free market in baseball.:dunno:

[ORS]

The Yankees bring fans to the stadium----> fans have a good time at the game -----> fans come back for more games in the future.

Try watching the Royals at the D-Rays next year.

 

Another time tested truth is... building a winning team isn't always expensive. It takes time, but it can be done without spending a lot of money. Teams should be responsible for making themselves competitors, not the Commissioner of Baseball.

Yes, it can be done inexpensively, but you have to scout and develop better than other teams, and it has a high attrition rate when all the good players depart for big-money contracts.

 

You claim that you aren't in favor of a cap just because you are a Yankee fan, yet your first complaint was that it would weaken your team. Not very convincing if you ask me.

[Moose]

Baseball needs a salary cap, IMO.

[Optimist]

Try watching the Royals at the D-Rays next year.

 

 

Yes, it can be done inexpensively, but you have to scout and develop better than other teams, and it has a high attrition rate when all the good players depart for big-money contracts.

 

You claim that you aren't in favor of a cap just because you are a Yankee fan, yet your first complaint was that it would weaken your team. Not very convincing if you ask me.

 

My complaint was it would weaken several teams, teams who have owners who are willing to spend money to bring the rings (rhyme not intended) to their city. The Yankees are in that group, but so are the team's rivals...the Sox.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Why should there be a salery cap?(and I'm not trying to be obnoxious) Why should the Yankees and the Red Sox be on the same level playing field(Payroll wise) with the Royals and the D-Rays? The Yankees and the Red Sox both play and major markets thus should be able to spend more then anyone if you ask me. I think its fine the way it is. Plus the Yankees havent won in 5 years. You see teams like the Marlins and the D-Backs (both of which play in smaller markets) winning. In fact I dont see much of an arguement for a cap. Maybe teams like the D-Rays should use some of that Luxary Tax money that they get from us and sign some free agents, draft/scout better(Which the D-Rays have just look at their farm) and they will be winning in no time.

[jimmycarter05]

Whats really funny here is that all the people that are against the salary cap are Yankee fans.(with the exception of castigs850 or w/e) Are you against the cap because you know if there was one in baseball you wouldn't be able to bribe all the superstars to come play for you? Are you scared that you might actually have to develop talent, rather than buying it? Are you scared that you might have to draft well and have great farm systems? Are you scared that (God forbidng!) you might actually have to rebuild one year instead of getting all the players that are having great seasons for crappy teams? I think Yankee fans don't want a cap for these reasons. They might actually have to play baseball the right way, instead of buying their way through.

[Optimist]

Whats really funny here is that all the people that are against the salary cap are Yankee fans.

 

I'm sure it's the same way across the nation(*sarcasm.) Don't use a small sample on an internet forum as some proof of some widespread vast Yankee conspiracy against baseball...

 

I'm sure there are many Sox fans who against caps and, heck, even a few Royal fans; support and opposition to these obstacles (I'm so objective) are widespread in baseball and don't break along team lines all the time.

[Varitek33]

Why can't we just have a salary cap? 100 million sounds alright to me.

 

Good idea.:thumbsup:

[jimmycarter05]

I'm sure it's the same way across the nation(*sarcasm.) Don't use a small sample on an internet forum as some proof of some widespread vast Yankee conspiracy against baseball...

 

 

Alright then, ask your Yankee fans in NY about a salary cap and then go to Kananas City, Tampa Bay, or any other small-market area and ask them about a salary cap. Oh yeah, I'm sure it will be the same across the nation.

[Optimist]

Alright then, ask your Yankee fans in NY about a salary cap and then go to Kananas City, Tampa Bay, or any other small-market area and ask them about a salary cap. Oh yeah, I'm sure it will be the same across the nation.

 

Yes, every Yankee fan is opposed to caps and every Royal fan is a supporter of caps. Just like every New Yorker was a Kerry fan and every Texan was a Bush fan in 2004.

[jimmycarter05]

Yes, every Yankee fan is opposed to caps and every Royal fan is a supporter of caps. Just like every New Yorker was a Kerry fan and every Texan was a Bush fan in 2004.

 

 

I'm talking about the majority here, not a full 100%.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I'm still yet to hear a valid arguement for a salery cap AND PLEASE!!!! stop with the I feel so bad for the Royals crap. You guys dont give two shits about them. What this is about is the Yankees spending habbits not having the Royals being able to compete.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Whats really funny here is that all the people that are against the salary cap are Yankee fans.(with the exception of castigs850 or w/e) Are you against the cap because you know if there was one in baseball you wouldn't be able to bribe all the superstars to come play for you? Are you scared that you might actually have to develop talent, rather than buying it? Are you scared that you might have to draft well and have great farm systems? Are you scared that (God forbidng!) you might actually have to rebuild one year instead of getting all the players that are having great seasons for crappy teams? I think Yankee fans don't want a cap for these reasons. They might actually have to play baseball the right way, instead of buying their way through.

The Yankees won 4 world titles by developing talent within and signing key free agents so excuse me if I'm not sacred of a salery cap. Hearing Red Sox fans scream for a salery cap is like hearing the pot calling the kettle black. What homegrown talent did the Red Sox win the world series with? Dont be a hypocrite. Did you not steal Johnny Damon for the A's? Did you not steal Manny Ramierz from the Guardians? Did you not steal David Ortiz from the Twins? Did you not steal Curt Schilling from the D-Backs? Really

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

And to make one more example:

 

Are you scared that (God forbidng!) you might actually have to rebuild one year instead of getting all the players that are having great seasons for crappy teams?

 

This from a guy who wants the Red Sox to dump Matt Clements salery on the Mariners and take Jemery Reed from them also trade 42 year old David Wells for Chris Young and another prospect.

[ORS]

I'm still yet to hear a valid arguement for a salery cap AND PLEASE!!!! stop with the I feel so bad for the Royals crap. You guys dont give two shits about them. What this is about is the Yankees spending habbits not having the Royals being able to compete.

Here's why. I think part of the beauty of the game is that it isn't just competitive on the field. There is competition among the FOs to scout better, develop better, coach better, and manage their rosters better. Without a cap, certain teams can cover a weakness they may have in one of these categories by merely offering a little more money. With a cap, the process of valuing players will become much more important for teams that need to do this.

 

If there is ceiling on spending, then I think it must be accompanied by a floor as well. I'd have to look really hard at the numbers to give a very confident answer as to what these numbers would be for the 40-man roster. But a quick estimate would be a floor around $60M and a ceiling around $100M. I think that leaves enough room for some of the smaller market teams to stay at reasonable spending levels while giving the bigger market teams enough flexibility to field a good team for their larger fan bases. Of course, these numbers would go up with inflation, or COLA.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Here's why. I think part of the beauty of the game is that it isn't just competitive on the field. There is competition among the FOs to scout better, develop better, coach better, and manage their rosters better. Without a cap, certain teams can cover a weakness they may have in one of these categories by merely offering a little more money. With a cap, the process of valuing players will become much more important for teams that need to do this.

 

If there is ceiling on spending, then I think it must be accompanied by a floor as well. I'd have to look really hard at the numbers to give a very confident answer as to what these numbers would be for the 40-man roster. But a quick estimate would be a floor around $60M and a ceiling around $100M. I think that leaves enough room for some of the smaller market teams to stay at reasonable spending levels while giving the bigger market teams enough flexibility to field a good team for their larger fan bases. Of course, these numbers would go up with inflation, or COLA.

I understand your point and I agreed with the "floor" as well if there were to be a cap but again. I still dont see why bigger market teams should lower themselfs to a smaller market level. Big market teams should not be punished because they play where they play and make what they make.

[jsinger121]

they have a salary cap in football where big market teams spend just as much as small market teams and it seems to work out fine in that league. it gives every team a chance to compete year in and year out.

[ORS]

Big market teams should not be punished because they play where they play and make what they make.

So, it's OK for small market teams to be punished for where they play and make what they make? It's not like they have a choice about what city they call home. MLB has to approve any move, and they won't allow 8 NY teams, 3 Boston teams, 5 Chicago teams....you get the point.

[MC Hammer]

I'm still yet to hear a valid arguement for a salery cap AND PLEASE!!!! stop with the I feel so bad for the Royals crap. You guys dont give two shits about them. What this is about is the Yankees spending habbits not having the Royals being able to compete.

A good argument?

 

We have 4 major sports in this country ... 3 of them now how salary caps.

 

There are a lot of MLB fans going into every season know their team has absolutly no chance to win beause they don't spend enough money. Which obviously means every year the fan is less dedicated, less excited, and generally cares less about their team. Trust me I've been a Pirates fan all my life. Less fans = Less revenue=Less Payroll. Right now you could argue that the average Salary for teams isn't that high, but the high and low are too far apart. Yes I believe you can blame that on owners but you also have to blame it on the system. How can you expect teams like the Pirates/Drays/Royals/etc to spend more money when they have less and less fans every year due to the fact that the team doesn't make enough money to compete.

 

Every year the gap between highest and lowest grows and every year we don't have a cap we are ruining any chance to ever have parody again in this sport. Baseball absolutly needs a cap to survive.

 

Also think about this ... only people who know they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars will be interested in buying teams if they want to win, which in turn means less teams ... smaller league ... and the league eventually turning into 1 division.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

So, it's OK for small market teams to be punished for where they play and make what they make? It's not like they have a choice about what city they call home. MLB has to approve any move, and they won't allow 8 NY teams, 3 Boston teams, 5 Chicago teams....you get the point.

Thats where the luxary tax comes in. Put that to good use and as Jimmy Carter said draft/scout better and you will have a winner.

[MC Hammer]

Thats where the luxary tax comes in. Put that to good use and as Jimmy Carter said draft/scout better and you will have a winner.

Yeah 4 million dollars is really going to make the Pirates a winner.

[jsinger121]

the luxury tax is not enough....it still doesnt limit big market teams to what they can spend.

[MC Hammer]

the luxury tax is not enough....it still doesnt limit big market teams to what they can spend.

And it really doesn't help the low budget teams. Much like most of MLBs plans it's just sugar coating on a pile of s***.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

A good argument?

 

We have 4 major sports in this country ... 3 of them now how salary caps.

 

There are a lot of MLB fans going into every season know their team has absolutly no chance to win beause they don't spend enough money. Which obviously means every year the fan is less dedicated, less excited, and generally cares less about their team. Trust me I've been a Pirates fan all my life. Less fans = Less revenue=Less Payroll. Right now you could argue that the average Salary for teams isn't that high, but the high and low are too far apart. Yes I believe you can blame that on owners but you also have to blame it on the system. How can you expect teams like the Pirates/Drays/Royals/etc to spend more money when they have less and less fans every year due to the fact that the team doesn't make enough money to compete.

 

Every year the gap between highest and lowest grows and every year we don't have a cap we are ruining any chance to ever have parody again in this sport. Baseball absolutly needs a cap to survive.

 

Also think about this ... only people who know they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars will be interested in buying teams if they want to win, which in turn means less teams ... smaller league ... and the league eventually turning into 1 division.

So because 3 out of 4 major sports have it, it must be right? Lets break it down shall we?

 

NFL: The NFL's system is while very sucessful is very unfair IMO. Players rights are totally none existant because of it. One of the things thats fun about baseball is the hot stove. What hot stove is in Football? The cap totally restricts player movement (Which some would argue is a good thing)

NBA: I think the cap is one reason why the NBA is so DULL(and the ratings prove it) IMO. You need the players salery to matchup to make a trade. You have these "max contracts" etc.

NHL: Is the NHL still a major sport?

 

and again , D-Backs, Angels, Marlins, Red Sox, White Sox. Isnt that parody? These past postseasons have been the grestest ever. As for baseball surviving.........its hardy dying.