Damon to the Yankees

[Varitek33]

Well, I am glad the sox didn't overpay him.

 

But, he will be missed.

[riverside sluggers]

agreed, the Yankees DO play against other teams next year guys. Not just the Red Sox.

 

whoah are you serious?? thanks for the newsflash captain obvious.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

whoah are you serious?? thanks for the newsflash captain obvious.

Its not my fault you used his stats against the Red Sox to hint that hes not a good pitcher. My point is those stats prove nothing about his ability to pitch. Maybe you should stop thinking that the world revolves around the Red Sox and I wont have to be "Captain Obvious". When I read what essentially is a stupid post like the one you made before I feel obligated to break things down to a 5 year old level. Sorry

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Its not my fault you used his stats against the Red Sox to hint that hes not a good pitcher. My point is those stats prove nothing about his ability to pitch. Maybe you should stop thinking that the world revolves around the Red Sox and I wont have to be "Captain Obvious". When I read what essentially is a stupid post like the one you made before I feel obligated to break things down to a 5 year old level. Sorry

 

What he said

[Cityofchampions33]

Fight Fight Fight Fight

[ORS]

Here's what should concern Yankee fans about Chacon. In the second half of last year he dropped from a .280 BABIP in Colorado, about his career average, to a .240 BABIP in NY.

 

BABIP is the pitcher's stat has the highest fluctuations from year to year and studies have shown that even some of the best pitchers in the game have little control over it, even in the prime of their careers. It is possible that he can limit hitters to a .240 average on balls in play, but it is unlikely when you consider his previous seasons have been .270, .260, .310, .280 (rounded numbers).

 

Making matters worse, he went from walking 4.46 per 9, to 3.42 per 9. He has fluctuated around 4 BB/9 his whole career, but for every season of improvement, he followed it with a season of decline. His career average is 4.6 BB/9. It's possible for him to keep it around 3-ish, but the trend of his career gives me no reason to expect it.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Fight Fight Fight Fight

Nah no fight. No need to. The point was proven already.

[Cityofchampions33]

Ohhh fine, let's be mature about it

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Here's what should concern Yankee fans about Chacon. In the second half of last year he dropped from a .280 BABIP in Colorado, about his career average, to a .240 BABIP in NY.

 

BABIP is the pitcher's stat has the highest fluctuations from year to year and studies have shown that even some of the best pitchers in the game have little control over it, even in the prime of their careers. It is possible that he can limit hitters to a .240 average on balls in play, but it is unlikely when you consider his previous seasons have been .270, .260, .310, .280 (rounded numbers).

 

Making matters worse, he went from walking 4.46 per 9, to 3.42 per 9. He has fluctuated around 4 BB/9 his whole career, but for every season of improvement, he followed it with a season of decline. His career average is 4.6 BB/9. It's possible for him to keep it around 3-ish, but the trend of his career gives me no reason to expect it.

Intresting note, I saw another post on this same subject. The guy said that the Yankees should trade Chacon based on those stats and the fact that his vaule might be as high as its ever going to get. I think as a 5th starter he will be fine though. You dont need your 5th starter to be an ace, I'd prefer a guy who give you a quality start and can eat innings.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Here's what should concern Yankee fans about Chacon. In the second half of last year he dropped from a .280 BABIP in Colorado, about his career average, to a .240 BABIP in NY.

 

BABIP is the pitcher's stat has the highest fluctuations from year to year and studies have shown that even some of the best pitchers in the game have little control over it, even in the prime of their careers. It is possible that he can limit hitters to a .240 average on balls in play, but it is unlikely when you consider his previous seasons have been .270, .260, .310, .280 (rounded numbers).

 

Making matters worse, he went from walking 4.46 per 9, to 3.42 per 9. He has fluctuated around 4 BB/9 his whole career, but for every season of improvement, he followed it with a season of decline. His career average is 4.6 BB/9. It's possible for him to keep it around 3-ish, but the trend of his career gives me no reason to expect it.

 

This is a good post. Brings up a lot of good points. Perhaps his BABIP went down because he had a better D behind him? I know, I know, I feel weird saying our D is good. But it HAS to be better than the Rockies...

 

The walks per 9 going down one whole batter actuallly makes me feel pretty good. I really dont think he will follow it with a season of (significant) decline, because again, his ball breaks better in NY. It's possible that just not being at Coors is the reason for all of his good #s this year, isn't it?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Intresting note, I saw another post on this same subject. The guy said that the Yankees should trade Chacon based on those stats and the fact that his vaule might be as high as its ever going to get. I think as a 5th starter he will be fine though. You dont need your 5th starter to be an ace, I'd prefer a guy who give you a quality start and can eat innings.

 

Chacon can definitely eat innings. If he can go 8 and give up 3-4, the yanks will be PERFECTLY happy with that as a 5th.

[ORS]

Intresting note, I saw another post on this same subject. The guy said that the Yankees should trade Chacon based on those stats and the fact that his vaule might be as high as its ever going to get. I think as a 5th starter he will be fine though. You dont need your 5th starter to be an ace, I'd prefer a guy who give you a quality start and can eat innings.

I'm not suggesting that he won't be a serviceable back-of-the-rotation starter. I just think it is silly to suggest that this guy is going to be a very good AL-East pitcher, as 26Reasonstoeatasteamingpileofdogshit has done.

[ORS]

This is a good post. Brings up a lot of good points. Perhaps his BABIP went down because he had a better D behind him? I know, I know, I feel weird saying our D is good. But it HAS to be better than the Rockies...

 

The walks per 9 going down one whole batter actuallly makes me feel pretty good. I really dont think he will follow it with a season of (significant) decline, because again, his ball breaks better in NY. It's possible that just not being at Coors is the reason for all of his good #s this year, isn't it?

Not BABIP and BB/9. Those stats aren't very park dependent.

[yankeessuck013]

26Reasonstoeatasteamingpileofdogshit

 

 

:thumbsup:

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I'm not suggesting that he won't be a serviceable back-of-the-rotation starter. I just think it is silly to suggest that this guy is going to be a very good AL-East pitcher, as 26Reasonstoeatasteamingpileofdogshit has done.

 

You mind finding the post where I said he would be a "very good AL East pitcher?"

 

btw please dont take our your Johnny Damon agression on me. Take a minute to pull up some pics of big papi and rub one out if youre feeling tense...

[ORS]

Also, personally, if any of them have a dropoff, it wont be Chacon. He had the best ERA out of any of them, and he has that NASTY overhand curve that's next to impossible to hit.

No dropoff from a 2.85 ERA suggests you expect a very good AL-East pitcher, as league average was 4.45.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

yankeessuck013, you live in syracuse? Man, you had it soooo close to gettin it right, being a Cuse and Sabres fan... dunno what happened with the baseball part though...:dunno:

[Beckett95]

ESPN.COM listed the average salary per team..

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047

 

1. Yankees--7,391,168

2. Red Sox--4,178,466

3. Phillies--3,430,206

4. Cardinals--3,401,334

5. Mets--3,338,123

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

No dropoff from a 2.85 ERA suggests you expect a very good AL-East pitcher, as league average was 4.45.

 

Okay let me clarify then. Chacon pitched a 3.44 last year. I don't think he will pitch that well again, but at the same time, I don't think he's gonna fall off very much. I could easily see a year of high 3's/low 4's for him if he continues to pitch well. And, while high 3's or low 4's will make him a pretty good/above average pitcher, he doesnt all of a sudden become a Mussina, Johnson, Halladay, Schilling, etc. Come on man, these guys have CAREER eras in the low to mid 3's. Use your head.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

ESPN.COM listed the average salary per team..

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047

 

1. Yankees--7,391,168

2. Red Sox--4,178,466

3. Phillies--3,430,206

4. Cardinals--3,401,334

5. Mets--3,338,123

 

It will be interesting to see the 2006 numbers, since both the sox and yankees are cutting payroll... I'd say the mets easily jump to 3rd.

[ORS]

Okay let me clarify then. Chacon pitched a 3.44 last year. I don't think he will pitch that well again, but at the same time, I don't think he's gonna fall off very much. I could easily see a year of high 3's/low 4's for him if he continues to pitch well. And, while high 3's or low 4's will make him a pretty good/above average pitcher, he doesnt all of a sudden become a Mussina, Johnson, Halladay, Schilling, etc. Come on man, these guys have CAREER eras in the low to mid 3's. Use your head.

That makes much more sense than your earlier post. If you had demonstrated this level of coherence to begin with, I wouldn't have to use my head.

[ORS]

It will be interesting to see the 2006 numbers, since both the sox and yankees are cutting payroll... I'd say the mets easily jump to 3rd.

At hardballdollars.com, money already on the books for 2006 (not including Minor Leaguers and arbitration awards) for players on the 40-man of those respective teams are, $187.62M for the Yanks, $102.75M for the Mets, and $97.50M for the Sox.

[8191]

Jd we hardly knew ya!!!

"show me the $"

 

Sox Yuckees

line up

J. Reed / Gathright ??? Damon

Loretta Jeter

Ortiz Shefield

Manny ARod

Lowell Matsui

Nixon Giambi

Varitek Posada

Youk / Platoon Tino

Cora / Pedroia / Graffinino / ??? Cano

 

Holes but still a damn good line up

 

Beckett Johnson

Schilling Mussina

wakefield Pavano

Clement Wang

Papelbon / Arroyo / ??? Wright / Small / ???

 

Foulke Rivera

Timlin Farnsworth

Saenez Myers

Mota ?????

Delcarmen / Hansen / ?????

Lester (June / July / Aug)

[riverside sluggers]

Damon told Tom Caron that all of his now former Sox teammates he has talked to, they all agree its the right decision for him to go to the Yankees

 

oh yeah right Damon, Im sure they want you to join their biggest rival. Give me a break and stop trying to sway things your way.

[jsinger121]

its just damon being an idiot like usual

[Commander Shears]

Jd we hardly knew ya!!!

"show me the $"

 

Sox Yuckees

line up

J. Reed / Gathright ??? Damon

 

 

I know we're all a little thrown by Johnny Judas, but let's not lose our heads here. Reed will NEVER be a lead-off hitter for the Sox.

[jsinger121]

reed has the potential to be the next grady sizemore. they were comparable prospects coming up through the minors. sizemore has turned into a pretty good leadoff hitter while reed struggled his first yr but has time to rebound

[Commander Shears]

Let's just focus on the bright side. Now we get to watch Johnny be slowly crushed by the mercenary reputation and Yankee business style. This will only end in misery for the Boss's new trophy.

[jimmycarter05]

I like Reed alot and would be a happy camper if the Red Sox traded Clement and some of his salary for him.

[empirestrikesback26]

This is a great move by the yankees, but even more devestating to the bosox in my opinon.