Damon to the Yankees

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I'm not even worried about pitching this year, we have RJ, Moose, Chacon, Wang, Pavano, Wright, and Small and Villone could spot start easily. That's 8 guys who could start and do well. We also have a much better bridge to Mo Rivera now, so if Moose or Wright or anyone else can only go 5 or 6, we wont be screwed like last year.

[stocker323]

I'm not even worried about pitching this year, we have RJ, Moose, Chacon, Wang, Pavano, Wright, and Small and Villone could spot start easily. That's 8 guys who could start and do well. We also have a much better bridge to Mo Rivera now, so if Moose or Wright or anyone else can only go 5 or 6, we wont be screwed like last year.

 

That's what you guys said last year. To me at least 6 of those guys are question marks. I'm willing to bank that out of Small, Wang and Chacon, 2 of those guys won't be close to as good as they were last year and I think it'll be Small and Chacon. Pavano and Wright are coming back from injuries and both were disappointing last year. RJ is 42 and showed some signs of breaking down a bit in 2005, I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks down more this year or has a great year but it could go either way. Moose I think is the only guy you can really say will have a great year next year.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

That's what you guys said last year. To me at least 6 of those guys are question marks. I'm willing to bank that out of Small, Wang and Chacon, 2 of those guys won't be close to as good as they were last year and I think it'll be Small and Chacon. Pavano and Wright are coming back from injuries and both were disappointing last year. RJ is 42 and showed some signs of breaking down a bit in 2005, I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks down more this year or has a great year but it could go either way. Moose I think is the only guy you can really say will have a great year next year.

 

Last year, we couldn't say that we had 7-8 legitimate starters on our team. Injuries forced us to acquire more arms (Al Leiter, anyone?). We are in much better shape this year than last. And while you may be right that some of the new guys may not have good years like they did last year, the beauty is we dont need ALL of them to:

 

RJ

Moose

Wang

Small/Chacon

Wright/Pavano

 

see how that works?:thumbsup:

 

Also, personally, if any of them have a dropoff, it wont be Chacon. He had the best ERA out of any of them, and he has that NASTY overhand curve that's next to impossible to hit.

[riverside sluggers]

Also, personally, if any of them have a dropoff, it wont be Chacon. He had the best ERA out of any of them, and he has that NASTY overhand curve that's next to impossible to hit.

 

As i recall the Red Sox were able to hit against him, not just this past season

 

stocker is right though: RJ had his ailing back problems, Moose was out for a month, Pavano enough said, Wright as well with his target painted shoulder, Chien Ming Wang was out for the majority of the season. Aaron Small and Chacon could have had career years. Both the Sox and Yanks have question marks surrounding their pitching staff. The Blue Jays so far on paper stand out as the best pitching of the AL East.

 

----------------------

 

I really hate the payroll argument... you DO know which team is in 2nd place right?

 

You don't exactly have bill beane runnin your show either...

 

2005 season

Yankees- $200 million

Red Sox- $126 million

 

Id say thats a big margin right there

[Teddyballgame10]

Hey I've been just wodnerning what the hell was Larry Lucchino doing during these nrgotiations can someone fill me in? Soudsn like he just sat on his ass and watched the yankees take Damon. Why could he step up and give Damonthe top doller he deserves. He acted like he didnt even care if he came back or not!

[stocker323]

I'm going to merge this with the other Damon thread. Welcome to the site.

[vegassoxfan]

my hell is this talksox or the yes network?

[vegassoxfan]

and i think its funny you arent worried about your pitching when that is the only thing you should be worried about. your staff sucked ass last year and you have made no pitching moves. good luck with that

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

As i recall the Red Sox were able to hit against him, not just this past season

 

 

 

----------------------

 

 

 

2005 season

Yankees- $200 million

Red Sox- $126 million

 

Id say thats a big margin right there

 

Chacon had a 2.85 ERA with the yankees this year. Anything he did with the rockies you have to disregard cuz his breaking balls wouldn't bite in the thin air out there.

 

you can make that 180 now

[vegassoxfan]

chacon is the guy making you feel comfortable with your rotation??? wow. i guess half a season of pitching is all you need these days to erase an entire career of s***** pitching huh?

[yankeessuck013]

Chacon had a 2.85 ERA with the yankees this year. Anything he did with the rockies you have to disregard cuz his breaking balls wouldn't bite in the thin air out there.

 

you can make that 180 now

 

ok we knocked chacon out in i believe 3.1 innnigs this year at the stadium, i'd say thats hitting him really well.

[riverside sluggers]

Chacon had a 2.85 ERA with the yankees this year. Anything he did with the rockies you have to disregard cuz his breaking balls wouldn't bite in the thin air out there.

 

but still this season against Boston in 2 games, 0-1 with a 14.73 ERA (6 ER in 3.2 innings)

[jimmycarter05]

This is another reason again why Bud Selig should be fired as the commissoner of baseball. He stands around and let the Yankees buy their way through baseball. I mean between Damon, Matsui, and Farnsworth the Yankees have spent 122 million dollars on these 3 players. 122 million! What have the Royals spent, what have the As spent, and what have the Red Sox spent this year. The present Yankees don't play baseball the way its supposed to be played, they buy their way through. Bud Selig should burn in hell for this. Letting one team monopolize baseball.

[yankeessuck013]

I'm not even worried about pitching this year.... so if Moose or Wright or anyone else can only go 5 or 6, we wont be screwed like last year.

 

can I quote you on this?

[stocker323]

This is another reason again why Bud Selig should be fired as the commissoner of baseball. He stands around and let the Yankees buy their way through baseball. I mean between Damon, Matsui, and Farnsworth the Yankees have spent 122 million dollars on these 3 players. 122 million! What have the Royals spent, what have the As spent, and what have the Red Sox spent this year. The present Yankees don't play baseball the way its supposed to be played, they buy their way through. Bud Selig should burn in hell for this. Letting one team monopolize baseball.

 

As a Red Sox fan I refuse to criticize the Yankees spending habits. We have much more money than almost all of the other teams except for the ones in New York, we could easily be spending that money on players such as Damon etc. We chose to hold back and let the price go down which was the wrong decision in this case.

[Optimist]

This is another reason again why Bud Selig should be fired as the commissoner of baseball. He stands around and let the Yankees buy their way through baseball. I mean between Damon, Matsui, and Farnsworth the Yankees have spent 122 million dollars on these 3 players. 122 million! What have the Royals spent, what have the As spent, and what have the Red Sox spent this year. The present Yankees don't play baseball the way its supposed to be played, they buy their way through. Bud Selig should burn in hell for this. Letting one team monopolize baseball.

 

Where's the crying smiley? This person seems to need it.

 

Speaking of smilies...what are you mods going to do with this one? >>> :damon:

[MANNYHOF24]

Red Sox fans who go to the Redsox yankee games should boo the living hell out of him, give him no mercy

[stocker323]

Red Sox fans who go to the Redsox yankee games should boo the living hell out of him, give him no mercy

 

So you're just willing to forget Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS that easily. I'm disappointed that he chose to go to the Yankees but I'm not going to boo him because of the great stuff that he did in Boston. He also left on good terms something that I cannot say about previous Boston stars.

[Cityofchampions33]

Only thing I don't like about they're Yankees (business-wise) is that yes, they have 200 million+, but they don't spend it wisely at all. I like the Farnsworth, and Dotel move somewhat, but they spend their money on everyone whos' on the wrong side of 30. Damon to me looks iffy in 4 years, I'll be amazed if he produces the way he did last year 4 more times. They went after RJ, who is 40+, and gave up prospects, they went after Kevin Brown, nuff sed, Gary Sheffield OVER Vladamir Guerrero, and got Gordon and Quantrill as bullpen help.

This is why I like the direction the Sox are moving in, though they dont look as solid, they are looking towards the future. Reed is a good solid prospect, and I for one, would love to land him. Lester, Delcarmen, Hansen, Marte, etc. all good future core players.

[vegassoxfan]

damon blows. cant wait to boo his sellout ass

[jsinger121]

i really don't care about damon to tell you the truth. he will get booed in boston but whatever. thats on him for signing with the yankees. his image will take a hit as he will be just another guy in new york. im happy the red sox didnt even have a chance to match the offer because it is an overpay

[Optimist]

I remember a thread awhile ago about David Wells, when he was complaining about New York fans; examining that thread, along with this one, would be a great study in role reversal.

[stocker323]

If you want to talk about what he did in Game 7 then I think you also have to take into account what we did games 1-6.

 

And if you want to talk about that you have to talk about what he did in the 2004 regular season, 2004 World Series and 2005 regular season. He did great things for this there is no possible way to deny that.

[26 to 6]

wow....this thread has to have set records for most posts in 2 days. Last I posted on it last night it was like page 5, here I am on page 14. WOW

 

Anyways, looks as if you guys are crying about us "buying" pennants and all that other ********, nothing out of the norm, and im gettin really tired of it. Fact of the matter is you guys had an opprotunity to sign him but instead, like with every other significant player in Red Sox history, (with the exception of a handful) you let him go. I could type for an hour about how dysfunctional the Red Sox organization is, but I will spare myself the time, frustration, and aggravation. Fact of the matter is we got him, and though im not thrilled about it, it is somewhat nice.

[Beckett95]

there are only 2 realiable guys in the yanks rotation, Mussina and RJ. I dont no how you can say that chacon is a reliable starter. His road era from 2002-2004 was still 4.35. His K/BB ratio also isnt very good at only 1.30 which was tied for 90th best with jose lima.

 

Pavano might be able to be a solid 4 starter but no one knows how bad his injury was. Jaret Wright is starting to resemble Kevin Brown when he pitched for the Yanks. Wang is still unproven and also had injury problems last year. Hes not as good as everyone thinks he is, maybe a #4 starter at best. Hes another one of those low K pitchers who rely on their defense. Aaron Small had 1 good year in his 13 year career but still has a career ERA of 4.90. Small, Chacon and Wang all rely heavily on good defense. The yankees defense as of now is not very good. Giambi is a huge reliablity at 1st, Damon has the worst arm in the league in CF, Cano is about as good as Soriano defensively at 2nd and Sheffield and Matsui are average corner OF. Jeter is strong at SS and Arod is starting to become a gold glove canidate at 3rd.

 

The biggest strength of the yankees is still their lineup. their bullpen might be solid if they can stay healthy and pitch to their capability.

 

Farnsworth has had one good year in his career so far (last year) and still has a career era of 4.45. Sturtze is a decent long reliver but no a good everday guy. Dotel wont be ready till mid june/july and Proctor has had absolutly no sucess in the majors in his career so far. Villone is a wild lefty who most likely will resemble Buddy Groom/Alan Embree of last year. Mike myers is a quality one batter guy who can get out lefties and thats it. Rivera might have to carry the bullpen by himself this year again if Farnsworth falters and Dotel cant come back healthy.

Lot of ifs with the Yankees, but unfortunatly there are more ifs with the Sox

[MANNYHOF24]

wow....this thread has to have set records for most posts in 2 days. Last I posted on it last night it was like page 5, here I am on page 14. WOW

 

Anyways, looks as if you guys are crying about us "buying" pennants and all that other ********, nothing out of the norm, and im gettin really tired of it. Fact of the matter is you guys had an opprotunity to sign him but instead, like with every other significant player in Red Sox history, (with the exception of a handful) you let him go. I could type for an hour about how dysfunctional the Red Sox organization is, but I will spare myself the time, frustration, and aggravation. Fact of the matter is we got him, and though im not thrilled about it, it is somewhat nice.

 

I agree with you about the dysfunctioal front office. The only time it has not been that was 2003-2005. Hmm... ohh wait didnt we have the best GM in baseball during those years, but freaking Larry Luccino had to screw up the stability that led us to a ws championship. With Theo as GM, DAMON WOULD STILL BE A SOX

[MANNYHOF24]

So you're just willing to forget Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS that easily. I'm disappointed that he chose to go to the Yankees but I'm not going to boo him because of the great stuff that he did in Boston. He also left on good terms something that I cannot say about previous Boston stars.

 

The stuff he did in 2004 is now tarnished. I can never look at it the same agian, he joined the very team he helped beat, and know it is time to BOO the s*** OUT OF HIM, I will pay the frigging 1000 dollars it will take just to boo Damon.

[Beckett95]

"I want to stay here, but I may walk and go home. I might shut it down in a couple of years.

 

"There's no way I can go play for the Yankees, but I know they are going to come after me hard. It's definitely not the most important thing to go out there for the top dollar, which the Yankees are going to offer me. It's not what I need.

 

"I'd like to finish my career here [boston]. I'm not sure they'll let me do it, if they offer me [only] two or three years [on a contract]. I want at least four.

 

-- Johnny Damon, 5/01/05, on MLB.com

[riverside sluggers]

Fact of the matter is you guys had an opprotunity to sign him but instead, like with every other significant player in Red Sox history, (with the exception of a handful) you let him go.

 

Did the Sox make him an offer? Yes they did. 4 years/$40 million, what a slap in the face that is, huh? The same can be said for Johnny to stop talking to the media and actually sit down with the Front office and say, I want to work this out.

 

Im tired, and seeing this whole "you fans and the red sox organization care jack s*** about your players". Dont even start that with me.

[MANNYHOF24]

Did the Sox make him an offer? Yes they did. 4 years/$40 million, what a slap in the face that is, huh? The same can be said for Johnny to stop talking to the media and actually sit down with the Front office and say, I want to work this out.

 

Im tired, and seeing this whole "you fans and the red sox organization care jack s*** about your players". Dont even start that with me.

 

4-40 fine first offer, but if the Yankees offer 4-52, then you do it. Damon is the best leadoff hitter in the game.