Opening Day SS (Predictions)

[Bostons_Finest]

I say get alex gonzalez or Noma on a year deal till pedoria develops.:thumbsup:

[Beckett95]

id start with clayton or gonzalez and then go to pedroia if either 1 struggles in the first 2 months

[Cityofchampions33]

Can you say POKEY?!?!?!

[ksushi]

Pedroia isn't a short stop although there is some speculation they might move him back. (I think its possible but not if they get a fill in shortstop this year)

 

 

So put me in the Alex Gonzalez camp, or the "trade for a guy who we haven't thought of yet" camp.

 

If those camps are full I'll settle for the "Not Nomar" one.

[YanksHater213]

Its actually impossible to tell at this point.

[Soxfan1]

Bring back a fan favorite. It's gotta be Nomah!!! or Pokey!!!!.

[whereisnomar]

Pokey????!!! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!! (trying to keep my cool)

[ahhchon]

do you guys really want to bring nomar back? he's par with renteria defensively when he's healthy, which he hasn't been for the past 2 seasons. you'll basically be giving a guy a 1-2yr contract for 8-10 mill so he can play 120 games. remember, this is the guy who pulled a muscle leaving the batters box.

 

bring in pokey, yeah he's garbage offensively but we'll drop him in the 9 hole. we can afford to take the hit offensively, we've led the majors in runs scored for the past 2 years in a row.

 

IF we resign damon (3 years 33-36 MAX) we'll be looking at:

 

damon, loretta, manny (he'll stay), ortiz, lowell, tek, nixon, youk, pokey.

 

but i'm sure there will be changes..

 

john

[riverside sluggers]

IF we resign damon (3 years 33-36 MAX) we'll be looking at:

 

Gordon Edes has noted several times this past week the latest offer the Sox have made to Damon was 4 years/north of $40 million

[ahhchon]

Gordon Edes has noted several times this past week the latest offer the Sox have made to Damon was 4 years/north of $40 million

 

i know, 3 years 33-36 is the top i think we should pay for damon. 4 years 40+ is really really pushing it.

 

john

[jimmycarter05]

i like nomar and i think the sox should give him a high paying incentive contract, up to like 11 million, if he preforms, he'll make the dough, if he doesn't, then he'll make a base salary of about 4 million...its that simple, money is the motivater these days

[ahhchon]

i like nomar and i think the sox should give him a high paying incentive contract, up to like 11 million, if he preforms, he'll make the dough, if he doesn't, then he'll make a base salary of about 4 million...its that simple, money is the motivater these days

 

again, what sense does that make? think about the reasons we got rid of renteria...

 

we got rid of him because he was poor DEFENSIVELY, his offensive production (while not good) is not that bad for a ss, he was about average. giving nomar a contract with incentives up to 11 mill (lets say he does perform to these "incentives") will be equal to paying nomar 14 mill a year since we are eating part of renteria's contract. if nomar does not live up to these expectations or incentives (say he gets injured AGAIN and plays 60 games) we'll be paying him 4 mill a year PLUS the 3 mill we are eating from renteria, therefore paying 7 mill for a ss who is now an average offensive player and a belowe average defensive player.

 

nomar on the sox is an absolute no no unless he's willing to sign for a 1 year contract worth dirt (like the minimum allowed for a vet). no incentives included. why in the world would you give him incentives if he's willing to sign for 4 mill a year? it's stupid.

 

john

[BigPapi34]

It may be a stretch, but Tejada says he's unhappy in Baltimore....o.O

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252946

[jimmycarter05]

i definately think the sox should jump all over this, ortiz and tejada are very good friends

[Cityofchampions33]

I think pokey's the answer for now. If pedroia can take over midway, so be it, then in '07 we can re-sign Loretta if he does his thing.

[soxonfox]

I think pokey's the answer for now. If pedroia can take over midway, so be it, then in '07 we can re-sign Loretta if he does his thing.

 

i agree. im not in love in with pokey, but he is the best available player to fill the role. i dont see them resigning nomar.

[ahhchon]

i definately think the sox should jump all over this, ortiz and tejada are very good friends

 

QUOTE=BigPapi34;96777]It may be a stretch, but Tejada says he's unhappy in Baltimore....o.O

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252946

 

 

yeah, real smart move trading your best player to a division rival..... what makes papi and tejada VERY GOOD friends? because they are from the same country and they made gestures to each other during the all star game? how do you guys know these crazy inside scoops.. seriously, what did ortiz have for lunch...

 

john

[Sizzlin22]

Actually they've both stated on numerous ocasions that they are very good freinds, it's nearly common knowledge; and if I do recall right one of Ortiz's better quotes was, "We called Miguel back home the autobus (pronounce owtoo buss) you get on base and he will pick you up." I am ALL for this trade, it's not going to make Baltimore anymore dangerous because they need pitching. Manny wants out.

 

Sure he'll hit less Hr's but he would hit better for average, just as many RBI's, have a great glove at SS, he plays 162 games a year every year.

 

Let's put it this way the guy was the league MVP two or three years ago, how many MVP's has Manny won?

 

I would give up Manny + Clement for Tejada.

[jimmycarter05]

Actually they've both stated on numerous ocasions that they are very good freinds, it's nearly common knowledge; and if I do recall right one of Ortiz's better quotes was, "We called Miguel back home the autobus (pronounce owtoo buss) you get on base and he will pick you up." I am ALL for this trade, it's not going to make Baltimore anymore dangerous because they need pitching. Manny wants out.

 

Sure he'll hit less Hr's but he would hit better for average, just as many RBI's, have a great glove at SS, he plays 162 games a year every year.

 

Let's put it this way the guy was the league MVP two or three years ago, how many MVP's has Manny won?

 

I would give up Manny + Clement for Tejada.

 

 

yes i would love to get tejada as well, but i don't think we need to include clement, if there's anyone who should get a extra player its us because we'll prolly have to take on some a manny's contract, and tejada having a great glove at ss? uh no, the guy averages about 20 errors a year, but makes up for it with his bat and leadership

[ahhchon]

he has a lot of errors because he tracks down more balls.. some ss's have less errors because they can't get to the balls tejada can get to. never in his career has he had less than 471 attempts while playing more than 159 games..

 

he's a solid ss.

 

as for trading clement.. the orioles want pitching.. i sure wouldn't mind to rid of clements loaded contract.. if we drop manny and clement that's 30 mill off payroll! but that's just the moneyball part of me speaking. i love manny to death and we would not be able to make up for his absence.

 

john

[MC Hammer]

he has a lot of errors because he tracks down more balls.. some ss's have less errors because they can't get to the balls tejada can get to. never in his career has he had less than 471 attempts while playing more than 159 games..

 

he's a solid ss.

That was a valid excuse when he had 15 errors but his error total was incredibly high. Theres no way the he had more range last year than he did in his entire career. If anything he has lost a step.

 

This is coming from someone who loves the guy and was completely against trading him.

[User Name]

I don't want to see Manny for Tejada, but I'd love to see Clement and someone else perhaps for Tejada.

[ahhchon]

That was a valid excuse when he had 15 errors but his error total was incredibly high. Theres no way the he had more range last year than he did in his entire career. If anything he has lost a step.

 

This is coming from someone who loves the guy and was completely against trading him.

 

true, but the lowest error total tejada has ever had (post rookie season) was 19 which was in a year he had 509 attempts..

 

guys who have never seen more than 472, let alone 500+:

jeter

renteria

cabrera (if you don't count is 498 A in 2002, yeah i know you can't just disregard a year)

nomar

omar vizquel (had 475 in 93)

arod (472 was max)

 

i'm not saying that range factor is the tell all here. i'm not even promoting that 20 errors is ok. but his range does make a difference, yes he's lost a step but he's still getting to more balls than the avg ss. and don't get into the gb flyball pitching, i know... i know...

 

i'm just saying that he's a solid, above average ss, the guy gets to 500 balls a year (ave over the past 4 years)

 

john

[26 to 6]

i definately think the sox should jump all over this, ortiz and tejada are very good friends

Orioles wouldnt trade him within the division.

 

 

If I was a Sox fan I would want the ex franchise player back, Nomar. Speculation that the Sox are trying to get Cabrera, if none of those 2 then I think Pokey would work well.

[CalvnHobs6]

Sure, push for Tejada, why not? Front office has gone for pretty much everybody else on the market this offseason. I could vent but I won't...I just know I'm gonna stop speculating because only god knows what the front office have in mind between Wells, Manny, Damon, Youkilis, Marte, Pedroia, Nixon, Clement, Arroyo, Lowell, and to fill gaps that could be created in the entire outfield and at SS. So I'm just going to stop. If we could get Tejada in ANY way, I say go for it. He is hands down the best SS in the game, period.

[ksushi]

Nomar would not be a good option for SS considering what they are going for. Defense.

[Beckett95]

Orioles wouldnt trade him within the division.QUOTE]

 

July 29, 1988: Boston Red Sox trade Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson to the Baltimore Orioles for Mike Boddicker.

 

it could happen...

[schillingouttheks]

Orioles wouldnt trade him within the division.QUOTE]

 

July 29, 1988: Boston Red Sox trade Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson to the Baltimore Orioles for Mike Boddicker.

 

it could happen...

Yeah, but the Orioles got the best out of that deal...

[ksushi]

Erm, at that time Curt Schilling was just a mildly touted prospect with a decent fastball and some poise. So, thats not at all the kind of deal we're talking about with Tejada.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Someone said Clayton...NO NO NO. Never...I'll go with Alex Gonzalez.