It's official, Renteria gone

[ksushi]

JimmyCarter are you a member at sons of sam horn? You should be. You should PM me there cause man i love everything you say.

 

Annnyyyyways, someone mentioned Felipe Lopez, that makes me happy. Yes.

 

Heres the thing, I think you have to keep Marte as he is an excellent talent. I don't care about what numbers hes had this kid has tools. He is in need of some coaching and is in now way a contact hitter, but man if he can learn to shorten his swing up this kid will be deadly. He will learn that too, hes made huge strides to adjust to his competition, and will do the same in the ML. This kid is a top talent, twice the talent of Hanley Ramirez. He's a must keep.Also, David Wells MUST bring you back bullpen help, and he won't get you anyone from san diego, as they don't have the payroll. I think he is headed to the dodgers or the A's, and he will bring back a quality bullpen guy.

 

 

So that being said, Youkilis could go back home to Cincinatti, and that could be a part of the deal but not the whole deal. I think Lopez is a huge talent and perhaps a shoppach and an arroyo packaged in with youk could get that done. However, I only do that if wells brings back a reliever with some serious potential for this year.

 

someone please give me feed back my posts get ignored

[Beckett95]

i dont understand what TB was thinking. they could have possibly the best 3B prospect in baseball and all they had to give up was there 32 year old SS when they hav BJ Upton waiting to come up.

 

C- Laforest/Mike Rose

1B- Huff

2B- Cantu

3B- Marte

SS- Upton

LF- Crawford

CF- Baldelli

RF- Delmon Young

DH- Gomes

 

CP- Baez

SP- Kazmir

 

they probaly will trade gathright for some pitching. this team does have a lot of potential, but the front office seems to be confused on whether or not they can win now.

 

ALSO-- they d-rays are looking to trade for Kaz Matsui according to NY Times

[yagmaster]

I would like go back to last season and hear what all the people bashing this trade were saying when Renteria was hitting under .280 and committing 30 errors. I was a huge Edgar fan when we signed him, and stood by him the whole season. In fact, I will be happy if he revives his career in Atlanta; I think he's a very likeable and talented baseball player.

 

BUT I am also a HUGE Marte fan. I think he will mirror the short career of Miguel Cabrera, arguably the best young player in the game (Pujols should no longer be considered a "young player"...he's had too many good seasons.) This season, Marte will probably be a midseason callup and he'll play every day in the second half. He won't instantly be a success, but by next season, he will start to put up superstar numbers like Cabrera. Renteria had one offensive season to the calibre of what I think Marte will yield, and his season last year was very poor, especially for $10 million. Great trade for the Sox.

[ksushi]

I don't think Marte is really a Cabrera like guy though. What I've read about him makes me think of Chavez. Cabrera is more of a contact hitter with power, Marte is a power hitter who needs to make contact on a more consistent basis, and he will, but I think we're looking at a career .270 guy who will hit some serious bombs and play some great defense. He might hit .300 a couple times because he has some serious hitting talent, but thats not his game. Remind you of anybody? (hint, click the word anybody and it will show you who it should remind you of)

[Beckett95]

2006 Projections for Marte

 

The Red Sox picked up third baseman Andy Marte today, and they gave up their shortstop and $11MM to do it. Clearly, the team's brass thinks very highly of young Marte. According to Red Sox senior adviser Bill Lajoie, Marte will not be dealt and they'll find playing time for him somewhere on the diamond.

 

For fantasy baseball fans, this is good news. Marte was blocked by Chipper Jones on the Braves; with the Red Sox, he can play plenty of third and pick up eligibility at first and OF. The hype is pretty strong surrounding Marte, but you have to temper your expectations in fantasy baseball for a rookie like Marte.

 

He's not going to burst onto the scene with a .300-35-110 year or something. In three years, he could get there, but not in 2006.

 

First things first, at-bats. He'll probably play somewhere near 130 games for the Sox, and I've got him at 446 at-bats. If April goes by and you see him playing almost every day, you might be able to tack on 100 ABs.

 

In my fantasy league this year, a .283 team batting average would've been enough for first place. .264 would put you in the cellar. So I kind of look at .280 is a benchmark for my team when I choose players. You can have your .260-.270 guys, but only a couple.

 

Batting average can be unpredictable, and Fenway gives it a slight boost. But Marte will be hard-pressed to hit higher than .275 in 2006. He hit .274 in the minors, and I've projected him at .262 for the Red Sox next year. You'll have to compensate for that if you're in a keeper league and trying to lock Marte up for a long time.

 

For power numbers, I've got Marte at 20 HR and 79 RBI. Baseball America thought Marte had more raw power than Jeff Francoeur coming into this year. At the least, it's a close call. Marte slugged .506 in Triple A this year, and Fenway boosts HRs for right-handed hitters by 13%.

 

Marte has good plate discipline already, and should score maybe 65 runs hitting near the bottom of the order.

 

Here's the final projection:

 

446-AB....117-H....0.262-AVG....20-HR....79-RBI....65-R....2-SB

 

from rotoauthority

[Cityofchampions33]

I don't mind this trade, but I think we shouldv'e waited on this. There are many solutions for the SS Hole, maybe even bringing up Pedroia to fill the gap. Also if defense was our issue with Rent then there's an obvious olution for that...Pokey Reese.

[ahhchon]

I don't think Marte is really a Cabrera like guy though. What I've read about him makes me think of Chavez. Cabrera is more of a contact hitter with power, Marte is a power hitter who needs to make contact on a more consistent basis, and he will, but I think we're looking at a career .270 guy who will hit some serious bombs and play some great defense. He might hit .300 a couple times because he has some serious hitting talent, but thats not his game. Remind you of anybody? (hint, click the word anybody and it will show you who it should remind you of)

 

god damn the marte bandwagon is on full steam now isn't it.. heh.

 

marte is good, but like many top prospects they don't make it. does calvin pickering ring any bells? how about some number 6 guys? brended harris, doug meintkewicz (made it but not big, offensively that is)..

 

prospects, until proven in the majors are still just prospects. thinking they will be the next smitch or miguel cabrera will just make you look stupid when they flop and become a nobody. and if you're correct? well that's nothing special either, they were supposed to be very good.

 

what a stupid trade, i didn't like renteria at all because he didn't have a great year in boston, but watch him go tear it up in altana and now there are no ss, i mean alex gonzolez? (.264, .319 OBP)...what i'd do now is sign nomar to a low cost, very high incentive deal

 

there is nothing stupid about this trade. we just traded an average short stop that is getting paid elite ss money for a 21 yr old prospect who happens to be the TOP prospect in the alt organization, this is atlanta we're talking about, not the yankees. by getting rid of rent we'll be saving 18 million over the course of the next 3 years.

 

with the recent trades and additions to the red sox i've become more and more comfortable with the front office. they obviously have a plan, i'm not going to question it until they do something completely absurd.

 

they might have taken away some good prospects, hanley and especially sanchez, but today they have just added marte and traded our backup catcher for loretta. so far so good. the red sox are going to be a very good in come 2008 if all these young stars become 75% of their ceilings.

 

john

[guapo34]

god damn the marte bandwagon is on full steam now isn't it.. heh.

 

marte is good, but like many top prospects they don't make it. does calvin pickering ring any bells? how about some number 6 guys? brended harris, doug meintkewicz (made it but not big, offensively that is)..

 

prospects, until proven in the majors are still just prospects. thinking they will be the next smitch or miguel cabrera will just make you look stupid when they flop and become a nobody. and if you're correct? well that's nothing special either, they were supposed to be very good.

 

While theres obviously no guarantee he's the next miguel cabrera, its important to note hes put up really good numbers in AAA at the age of 21. The biggest prospect flameouts are usually guys who look unbelievable at lower levels and struggle when they get promoted. fwiw hanley ramirez has never put up near the numbers marte did last year, and they're the same age.

[jimmycarter05]

JimmyCarter are you a member at sons of sam horn? You should be. You should PM me there cause man i love everything you say.

 

Annnyyyyways, someone mentioned Felipe Lopez, that makes me happy. Yes.

 

Heres the thing, I think you have to keep Marte as he is an excellent talent. I don't care about what numbers hes had this kid has tools. He is in need of some coaching and is in now way a contact hitter, but man if he can learn to shorten his swing up this kid will be deadly. He will learn that too, hes made huge strides to adjust to his competition, and will do the same in the ML. This kid is a top talent, twice the talent of Hanley Ramirez. He's a must keep.Also, David Wells MUST bring you back bullpen help, and he won't get you anyone from san diego, as they don't have the payroll. I think he is headed to the dodgers or the A's, and he will bring back a quality bullpen guy.

 

 

So that being said, Youkilis could go back home to Cincinatti, and that could be a part of the deal but not the whole deal. I think Lopez is a huge talent and perhaps a shoppach and an arroyo packaged in with youk could get that done. However, I only do that if wells brings back a reliever with some serious potential for this year.

 

someone please give me feed back my posts get ignored

 

 

thanks man

[ksushi]

Ahhcon, I was making a comparison as to the type of throwback 3rd basement this guy projects to be. Read what I said alittle more carefully, Im not insinuating that Marte will be a hall of famer, but I am saying that his stats and style of play reflect that of an old school corner guy with promise. I'm not jumping on the Marte bandwagon, as a full time John Smoltz worshipper its my duty to also be a part time Braves fan and I sing the praises of their farm system whenever I get a chance. Any prospect from that system is worth whatever you pay because their scouting and coaching is top notch from top to bottom in that system and they turn out some great players.

 

I've known about Marte for awhile, the same way I've known about Franceour for awhile. I decided Marte will be very good and that Franceour would burn out and wasn't as talented... and then he got called up and i ate my words as I put him on my fantasy team and am keeping him for next year *whistles*

 

but yeah the marte bandwagon in andy town has long since been rolling.

[Cityofchampions33]

I have a feelin we're shippin this guy somewhere, it doenst fit if we dont

[ahhchon]

While theres obviously no guarantee he's the next miguel cabrera, its important to note hes put up really good numbers in AAA at the age of 21. The biggest prospect flameouts are usually guys who look unbelievable at lower levels and struggle when they get promoted. fwiw hanley ramirez has never put up near the numbers marte did last year, and they're the same age.

 

i understand this. i'm just saying that players do burn out and that the bandwagoning is annoying. before the sox traded for marte i bet less than a handful of players knew who he was. if he's going to be the next schmidt than delmon young is the next barry bonds.. it's silly to assume these things.. schmidt is one of the best 3b to play the game ever, it's been a long time since there is a prospect who we can say is the "new best". probably not any since puljos (2000, #1 ranked prospect), vladdy (1996, #1 ranked), further back a-rod (#1 ranked)... marte has never topped #4.. even vladdy isn't close to being called the best RF.

 

the kid has a ton of potential and hopefully everything will come together, especially if he stays on the sox, which he SHOULD.

 

john

[ksushi]

We're not shipping him anywhere, how does one of the top ten prospects on baseball america, number one on baseball prospectus, not fit? We have lowell for two years, and Marte has expierience at 1st base. It fits. It fits quite nicely. This guy also has outfield expierience, hell I bet he has front office expierience, I wonder if he can rebound cause the Celtics could use a guy there too maybe he could swing by.

 

He fits, I highly doubt there is anything in the works to swing him. If they do, they better reel in a top notch pitcher. Atlanta made their move out of need, we don't have the immediate need to fill any position with plenty of offense and some viable short stop options on the market, we are keeping this guy.

[Sizzlin22]

I like Marte he has loads of potentential and I understand the "cut your losses" while picking up a big time prospect idea of the trade. What I don't like is that we now have a huge hole at SS.

 

I would love to see Tejada but if we can't get him I'd like to see Pokey back in a Sox uniform, he was over rated by a lot of Sox fans but we have enough offense right now and our left side of the infield would be impossible to hit through.

[Soxfan1]

Why would we get rid of Marte? This fills the top prospecthole Hanley left. I say tradeYouk for relievers.

[ksushi]

I don't know if you can bring relievers back for a fat body 3rd basement like youk. He has a gut that only his drafting team can love. But yeah, he has a good obp and could be packaged with say david wells for say... justin duchscherer?

[ahhchon]

We're not shipping him anywhere, how does one of the top ten prospects on baseball america, number one on baseball prospectus, not fit? QUOTE]

 

the highest andy marte has ever been listed by baseball america is 2nd, that was in 2002, in 2003 he was 5th and 2004 he was also 5th.. i haven't purchased bp 2006 yet.

 

john

[Sizzlin22]

Ok still if you're top 10 it's USUALLY (please not that I said usually so I don't egt slammed for that) means that your on the fast track for a pretty good career, I hope we don't spin him to another team.

[ksushi]

We're not shipping him anywhere, how does one of the top ten prospects on baseball america, number one on baseball prospectus, not fit? QUOTE]

 

the highest andy marte has ever been listed by baseball america is 2nd, that was in 2002, in 2003 he was 5th and 2004 he was also 5th.. i haven't purchased bp 2006 yet.

 

john

 

 

Baseball prospectus is separate list from Baseball America. I know he hasn't been number one on BA, but he was #1 on the prospectus this year, or maybe last, I'm not sure but I believe it was this year. Either way we are talking some high positions on a couple of really exclusive lists here.

 

 

I personally think the sox just stumbled on to a gold mine here. Why are teams emptying their pockets when the sox enter the room at these meetings? We got Loretta for nothing, Mota for nothing, and now one of the top prospects in baseball for relativley nothing. This guy KILLS Milledge, and it would have cost us Manny to get him. This is a steal. If potential were people, Marte is china. I don't see us shipping him for Tejada so forget that for now, someone this close to producing in the majors typically doesn't change teams unless there is some serious pitching going the opposite way in the deal. I don't think there is any pitchers available on the market right now who warrant trading a beast like this. Atlanta was backed into a corner when they agreed to not move Chipper off of third base for the next five years and with LaRoche at first base. With a desperate need for a SS with offensive potential they had to do this deal and once again a team decided to grab their ankles for the red sox GM Triumvirate or quadumvirate, whatever, I had to make a clever sodomy reference somewhere.

 

The sox won't doing any ankle grabbing any time soon, they will hang on to this kid I think, Lajoie said they have no plans to send him anywhere and that he could even start the season at first base.

[Commander Shears]

Too good to be true?

 

From ESPN.com: "I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Miguel Tejada

 

Do you think Marte would look good in orange and black?

 

There's your right-handed, Dominican bat behind Ortiz. Oh, and a major defensive upgrade.

[ksushi]

You should go back and read threads before you post what people have already been talking about for a couple of pages, and no marte would not look good in orange and black, but I think red and white really brings out his eyes.

[ahhchon]

Too good to be true?

 

From ESPN.com: "I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Miguel Tejada

 

Do you think Marte would look good in orange and black?

 

There's your right-handed, Dominican bat behind Ortiz. Oh, and a major defensive upgrade.

 

 

KSUSHI- i know they are different, i just read it wrong. marte was #1 for 2005, the reason he was ranked so high is because he does everything well, but nothing exceptionally well. i'm still slightly surprised that they ranked him higher than young, who has a higher upside.

 

either way, great trade for the sox.

 

john

[noonanberg]

bye bye bye rent an error. you guys just didnt wanna listen to me. i told u this guy was a bum. and the sox agreed. good move.

[Manny Goes Boom]

bye bye bye rent an error. you guys just didnt wanna listen to me. i told u this guy was a bum. and the sox agreed. good move.

 

Any bets on when guybo shows up? :thumbdown

[riverside sluggers]

i was expecting them to show up. The only posts they do on here have been about bashing Edgar. Wow so much insight they bring to talk sox!!

 

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Boston Herald: In Marte, 22, the Red Sox acquired the Braves’ top-ranked prospect and the No. 9 ranked prospect in all of baseball according to Baseball America. Last season, Marte hit 20 home runs with 74 RBI for Triple-A Richmond. He has hit at least 20 home runs in three of the last four seasons. He is expected to start 2006 at Triple-A Pawtucket, unless he earns a spot in left field (if Manny Ramirez goes in a trade) or first base. Third base is currently occupied by newcomer Mike Lowell, who is signed through 2007.

 

“We do see him as a future third baseman, yes,” Lajoie said. “In my mind, I’d like to see him get into our lineup next season.” After the trade was announced, one baseball source said another team that was interested in Marte turned away after the Braves acknowledged the player had a tear in the ulnar collateral ligament of an elbow. A Red Sox official said Marte is healthy and that the team reviewed his medical file.

[Beckett95]

boston globe scouting report on Marte

 

Andy Marte scouting report

December 9, 2005

 

Baseball America, the country's premier publication for tracking minor league baseball players, ranked Andy Marte as the Braves' top prospect, and had him No. 9 in all of baseball going into the 2005 season (former Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez -- traded away in the Josh Beckett deal -- was No. 10). Below is Baseball America's report on Marte released Nov. 7:

 

Pos.: 3B Age: 22 Ht.: 6-1 Wt.: 185 B/T: R/R

 

2005 numbers at Richmond: .275 avg., .372 OBP, 20 HRs, 74 RBIs in 389 at-bats

 

Background: One of 12 Braves to make their big league debut in 2005, Marte didn't take advantage of his opportunity when Chipper Jones strained a ligament in his left foot. Though he had to settle for shuttling between Triple A Richmond and Atlanta, he continued to live up to his billing as one of the premier third base prospects in the minors. He nearly led the system in homers despite getting just 389 minor league at-bats. Marte traditionally has been a slow starter, and he seemed to press upon his arrival in Triple A. But he recovered and displayed an improved approach and his typical patience. Signed out of the Dominican for $600,000 in September 2000, he rose to No. 1 on this list barely three years later before Jeff Francoeur displaced him a year ago.

 

Strengths: Marte's stroke has a natural slight uppercut that generates plenty of loft power. The ball jumps off his bat, and he drives the ball to all fields and is capable of hitting tape-measure shots. He's an aggressive hitter who makes pitchers pay for their mistakes, though he also can hit for a solid average and has patience at the plate. His walk rate increased substantially in 2005. In addition to being the quintessential power hitter at the hot corner, Marte continues to improve upon his above-average skills with his glove. Managers rated him the best defensive third baseman in the International League -- the fourth consecutive year he earned that honor in his league. He possesses excellent lateral movement and a strong, accurate arm. The Braves also love Marte's maturity and even-keeled approach to the game, both of which should lead to a seamless move to the majors once an opening arises.

 

Weaknesses: Like most power hitters, Marte will pile up some strikeouts. When he was struggling early in 2005, he fished for low-and-away breaking balls far out of the zone. His swing tends to get long when he tires, which also contributes to the whiffs. With his lower body continuing to fill out as he advances through his early 20s, Marte's speed continues to be his primary weakness. His speed is now a tick below average and he'll get slower as he gains more weight. However, his intelligence and knowledge of the game mean he's not close to a liability on the bases.

 

The future: The Braves have little question that Marte will be an impact player in the major leagues. The problem comes in where to put him. Marte's best position is third base, but Chipper Jones has returned to the hot corner after spending two years in left field and has no desire to move again. Marte has received a cursory look in the outfield, but that's suddenly becoming crowded as well. While he remains Atlanta's long-term answer at third base, the current roadblocks could mean another detour to Triple A to open the 2006 season. He has more upside than outfield incumbents such as Kelly Johnson and Ryan Langerhans, so left field may be where Marte initially breaks into the big league lineup.

[Soxfan1]

I think Lowell will be last years Millar. I would Keep Marte on the roster just in case.

[SuperManny]

bye bye bye rent an error. you guys just didnt wanna listen to me. i told u this guy was a bum. and the sox agreed. good move.

 

Well that bum just got us one of the top prospects in baseball so he cant be that bad.

 

Keep Marte though - I remember reading that he could put up 2004 Beltre numbers in a couple of years.

[ahhchon]

I think Lowell will be last years Millar. I would Keep Marte on the roster just in case.

 

all lowell has to do is get on base as much as millar did last season (.350) and he will allready be worth it. getting base more most likely results in more runs scored, he had 36 doubles last year, all those flyouts to left field are not hits off the monster. i like lowell as a sox and welcome him with open arms.

 

john

[guapo34]

KSUSHI- i know they are different, i just read it wrong. marte was #1 for 2005, the reason he was ranked so high is because he does everything well, but nothing exceptionally well. i'm still slightly surprised that they ranked him higher than young, who has a higher upside.

 

either way, great trade for the sox.

 

john

 

 

He does hit for power exceptionally well. From what I've read he played in a pretty strong pitchers park in AAA last year and had a very high slugging percentage. He also gets on a base at an above average rate. Without knowing how to look this up I'd be willing to bet the Red Sox have never had a player under the age of 22 put up a higher slugging percentage in AAA.