Official College Basketball Thread

[MC Hammer]

Duke does not have enough scoring if say a player like reddick gets shut down for a game. other than williams and reddick they have no other player averaging in double figures. against a team like UConn sheldon williams will likely be a non factor with hilton armstrong and josh boone. dukes depth might come back to haunt them as they rely too much on reddick and williams.

Right because Sheldon Williams has been a non factor so many times in his career ...

[ORS]

And no, those were clear fouls in the BC and FSU game.

You clearly don't watch a lot of ACC basketball. Those types of plays are very common at the end of close games, and they are rarely called.

[See Red]

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks Duke gets calls because of Coach K...

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9216412

 

Did officials intentionally help Duke by intentionally hurting Florida State? No way. That call, that game -- Duke shot 41 free throws to Florida State's 11, even though FSU was attacking the basket -- wasn't evidence of a pro-Duke conspiracy. Anyone who believes otherwise should leave. We've got a bigger issue to address than your favorite fable.

 

The blown technical wasn't the problem, but a symptom. Other symptoms were late pro-Duke calls involving Williams' physical post defense -- first against Boston College's Tyrese Rice, then FSU's Todd Galloway -- that helped Duke win games last week.

 

Again, those are symptoms -- but not the sickness. However, in a strange and potentially fortunate twist, the cold and the cure are one and the same: Mike Krzyzewski.

 

Krzyzewski is the problem, but he's also the fix.

 

This has to be a collaborative effort, solving the officiating issues that taint Duke games. And Duke games have definitely become tainted. Along with J.J. Redick's jumper, the impact of officiating is a major storyline whenever Duke plays. And that, people, is terrible for the game.

[See Red]

You clearly don't watch a lot of ACC basketball. Those types of plays are very common at the end of close games, and they are rarely called.

 

Apparently the commentators don't either because they commented that the call in the BC game was an awful call.

[See Red]

Right because Sheldon Williams has been a non factor so many times in his career ...

 

What'd he do the last time he played UConn and Emeka Okafor sat almost the entire first half?

[god is a redsox FAN]

ok just heard a rumor....... Coach Bob Huggins may be coming to UK as assistant coach. As a fan of UK, and being in between both Cincy, and Lexington, i don't know what to think. I grew to hate huggins, but i can't help to think this will help out UK's recruiting if this does occur...

[MC Hammer]

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks Duke gets calls because of Coach K...

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9216412

Doyle is so anti Duke it isn't even funny. His opinions are as valid as yours.

[See Red]

Perhaps you forgot to read the difference in free throws in that game. 41-11. I don't care how good a coach is at 'teaching his team to draw fouls', there should never be that big of a discrepancy -- ever.

[MC Hammer]

Perhaps you forgot to read the difference in free throws in that game. 41-11. I don't care how good a coach is at 'teaching his team to draw fouls', there should never be that big of a discrepancy -- ever.

How about 48-21 against UMass ... gee I know the refs are cheating for UMass now ... <_>

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260430052

[stocker323]

How about 48-21 against UMass ... gee I know the refs are cheating for UMass now ... <_>

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260430052

 

Um that's 21-13 FSU.

[MC Hammer]

Um that's 21-13 FSU.

balls. I looked at the wrong column. Oh well I'm a jackass

[ORS]

What'd he do the last time he played UConn and Emeka Okafor sat almost the entire first half?

That was two years ago. He's a demonstrably different player now, with a better basketball body, a better post game, and more touch around the basket. Your s***-talking could use some serious work.

 

Oh, and by the way, Duke's playing tonight, so you may need these....

 

http://www.manorhg.com/store/images/Rec%20Tissue%20Box%201125.1.jpg

 

EDIT: And, Williams fouled out in 19 minutes of playing time in that game. That doesn't exactly agree with your conspiracy theory.

[ORS]

Perhaps you forgot to read the difference in free throws in that game. 41-11. I don't care how good a coach is at 'teaching his team to draw fouls', there should never be that big of a discrepancy -- ever.

Did you even watch that game? FSU was getting open looks from 5-8 feet all game along on Thornton's penetration when Reddick was guarding him. They didn't go to the line often because a lot of their shots went uncontested. Williams and Reddick combined for 26 of Duke's FTA. Williams was pounding it down low and Reddick scored most of his points by driving to the hole and drawing contact. If you watched the game, the discrepancy would come as no surprise considering how the game was played.

[MC Hammer]

That was two years ago. He's a demonstrably different player now, with a better basketball body, a better post game, and more touch around the basket. Your s***-talking could use some serious work.

2 years ago Okafur was getting ready to be the 2nd pick in the NBA draft, and Sheldon Williams was just begining to come into his own as a Sophmore.

 

BTW the tissues were a nice touch

[See Red]

2 years ago Okafur was getting ready to be the 2nd pick in the NBA draft, and Sheldon Williams was just begining to come into his own as a Sophmore.

 

BTW the tissues were a nice touch

 

I understand that, and I was saying it tongue in cheek as a response to what you said. I think it was Josh Boone that covered him the majority of the night because Okafor had gotten himself into very, very early foul trouble. Regardless, Boone was even a great defensive player at the time.

 

I certainly wouldn't expect UConn to come close to shutting Williams down, this year. They don't have the body types down low (big and strong) to shut Williams down.

[yankeessuck013]

You can change your sig 'see red'.

[MC Hammer]

You can change your sig 'see red'.

Technically it's still accurate.

[yankeessuck013]

They've lost twice now.

[See Red]

Technically it's still accurate.

 

Yeah, but the record and upcoming/last games were incorrect.

 

It'll be interesting to see how the top 4 ends up in the rankings.

 

I'm thinking:

 

1. Duke

2. Villanova

3. UConn

4. Memphis

[MC Hammer]

It'll be interesting to see how the top 4 ends up in the rankings.

 

I'm thinking:

 

1. Duke

2. Villanova

3. UConn

4. Memphis

Agreed.

[ORS]

See Red, I couldn't find the FTA vs. OppFTA numbers online, but I was bored, so I went through the game logs for UConn and Duke. I also looked at the average FTA for the Big East and ACC. Here's what I found:

 

ACC - FTA

Conf. Range: 21.4 - 27.6

Conf. AVG: 24.7

Duke AVG: 25.7, rank - 4th

Opp AVG: 16.9

Delta: +8.8 over OPP, +1.0 over Conf.

 

Big East - FTA

Conf. Range: 14.8 - 30.5

Conf. AVG: 22.1

UConn AVG: 30.5, rank - 1st

Opp AVG: 20.5

Delta: +10.0 over OPP, +8.4 over Conf.

 

The range in the Big East when you exclude UConn is 14.8 - 24.3, so UConn shoots 6 more FT per game than the next highest team in their conference. I'd say more, but do I need to?

[yankeessuck013]

Seton Hall beat #11 West Virginia tonight at the Meadowlands, 71-64.

[jsinger121]

that is a huge win for seton hall. they are on the bubble as it is and this win only builds that resume until selection sunday

[MC Hammer]

Seton Hall beat #11 West Virginia tonight at the Meadowlands, 71-64.

WVU is starting to wear down. They're just not deep enough to keep it going.

[See Red]

See Red, I couldn't find the FTA vs. OppFTA numbers online, but I was bored, so I went through the game logs for UConn and Duke. I also looked at the average FTA for the Big East and ACC. Here's what I found:

 

ACC - FTA

Conf. Range: 21.4 - 27.6

Conf. AVG: 24.7

Duke AVG: 25.7, rank - 4th

Opp AVG: 16.9

Delta: +8.8 over OPP, +1.0 over Conf.

 

Big East - FTA

Conf. Range: 14.8 - 30.5

Conf. AVG: 22.1

UConn AVG: 30.5, rank - 1st

Opp AVG: 20.5

Delta: +10.0 over OPP, +8.4 over Conf.

 

The range in the Big East when you exclude UConn is 14.8 - 24.3, so UConn shoots 6 more FT per game than the next highest team in their conference. I'd say more, but do I need to?

 

You had some time on your hands. Nice research.

 

Without a doubt UConn shoots more free throws than their opponents like good teams and coaches do, but late in a big game, it seems to me that Duke gets all of the calls that can go either way and Coach K is the King at getting those calls. You may see it as whining, but I also admit when my team has benefitted from a bad call.

[MC Hammer]

You had some time on your hands. Nice research.

 

Without a doubt UConn shoots more free throws than their opponents like good teams and coaches do, but late in a big game, it seems to me that Duke gets all of the calls that can go either way and Coach K is the King at getting those calls. You may see it as whining, but I also admit when my team has benefitted from a bad call.

Well if they could go either way then they're not the wrong calls.

[ORS]

You may see it as whining, but I also admit when my team has benefitted from a bad call.

I'll admit when they benefit from a s***** call. The mystery Tech on Johnson of FSU was a bad call, and that benefitted Duke since it fouled him out of the game halfway through the second half. The FSU and BC end of the game plays could have gone either way. And when it comes to either way plays, over the last 15 years Duke has gotten as many of them as the other team has. For every time they get sent to the line or get the non-call on the defensive end there is an instance where their oppenent went to the line or got the non-call. You don't like Duke, so it only sticks out in your mind when they do get it, and when they don't you see it as the right call. Trust me, I've been watching ACC ball since I was about 8 (avidly since I was 13 or so) and the officiating has always been pretty consistent.

[jsinger121]

Source: Indiana's Davis to step down after season

 

Indiana University men's basketball coach Mike Davis is expected to announce at a Thursday news conference that he is stepping down at the end of the season, a source close to Davis told ESPN.com's Pat Forde.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2332230

[jsinger121]

Eddie Sutton takes a leave of abscene to enter a rehab facility.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2332196

[yankeessuck013]

I'll be at the Carrier Dome for College Gameday tonight when Louisville visits.

 

Important game for both teams.

 

Expecting 30,000+