Did we just get Beckett?

[example1]

I think this move is fantastic. I think Lowell will do well too.

 

Pavano and Burnett always seemed like the half-prize from the florida staff. I always wished that it was Becket that we were talking about. Now, we have him?? (fingers crossed). I can't think of many pitchers in the league that, when on, are as dominant. I feel kind of like I did when I heard the sox got Pedro or when they got Manny. Its just a guy whom, if he's healthy and pitching, will put up great numbers and be exciting to watch. I think he'll get super pumped by the Fenway crowd.

[riverside sluggers]

do you think we still keep wells or accomodate his trade request? if he leaves does arroyo automatically get his shot as full-time starter?

 

I think Sox started talking like that before they heard Marlins were going to be offering Josh Beckett. With 7 starting pitchers now under contract for next season, a Wells trade I think has to be done. Lets not forget Wells will be 43 and is starting to have nagging injuries, one that had kept him out for a month.

 

Sox starting pitchers

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

David Wells

Jonathan Papelbon

Tim Wakefield

Matt Clement

Bronson Arroyo

[MC Hammer]

I wasn't wild about this when the rumors started, but I can't say I have a problem with it now. If he pitches a full healthy season this year he'll win the cy young.

[riverside sluggers]

i just read Hanley is expected to be the opening day shortstop

 

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The Marlins originally had targeted left-hander Jon Lester, but Boston balked at including him in the trade, so the Red Sox agreed to add a second minor leaguer if Florida took Sanchez instead, Stark reports.

 

thank you BoSox front office, i wouldve not been happy that much if Lester was dealt. The second minor leaguer will probably be along the lines of like Abe Alvarez.

[26 to 6]

If Beckett stays healthy its a great trade for the Red Sox. That is a big IF though because he never has. I will say one thing.....he is a guy that DOES NOT scare. If you watched him during the 03 playoffs you know.

you hit it right on the head, this is a great trade for Boston IF these guys can stay healthy.

 

But there is a good possibility that Lowell is out a good portion of the season, Beckett gets gurt once or twice, and Renteria blows up the joint and everybody is saying "we shouldnt have traded Hanley"

 

At least thats what im hoping for

[26 to 6]

I wasn't wild about this when the rumors started, but I can't say I have a problem with it now. If he pitches a full healthy season this year he'll win the cy young.

Or he just ends up like a lot of the NL pitchers who go to the AL and fizzle out.

[yankeessuck013]

i'm kind of worried about Lowell, hopefully the monster can help him out

[jimmycarter05]

i don't know the full details of this trade, but how i'm looking at it now its seems kinda one way on the money side;

 

lowell- 7.5 million

beckett-2.4 million and when is he a FA?

 

hanley-360K

sanchez-360K

Player to be named- for this to be fair money wise he would have to make about 8.4 million dollars

 

i mean are we paying all of lowell's $? thats pretty crazy if we are because we aren't filling our needs by getting a space cadet on the wrong side of 30 and a young injury prone pitcher for some of our best prospects...we still don't have a great BP and a CF yet or any position player BUs

[ARod2212]

Excuse me while I puke. Great trade for Boston IMO.

[26 to 6]

Or he just ends up like a lot of the NL pitchers who go to the AL and fizzle out.

Do you guys have a problem with him taking 21 knowing that there is a chance he has it for a while and possibly become a Hall of Fame pitcher wearing 21 for the Sox, and then there be a conflict of who to retire it for?

 

With Clemens on the verge of retiring in the next year or so I wonder if Boston gives Beckett 21.

[RedSoxRooter]

Beckett is a FA after '07 - a year in which he gets 7.5 million I think.

[jimmycarter05]

i say we try to trade lowell

[riverside sluggers]

Jimmycarter05: i mean are we paying all of lowell's $? thats pretty crazy if we are because we aren't filling our needs by getting a space cadet on the wrong side of 30 and a young injury prone pitcher for some of our best prospects.

 

the Marlins are sending cash considerations to Boston due to Lowell's remaing contract. An upside on Lowell, still solid at the 3rd base corner. 6 errors committed in 135 games this past season

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Right-hander Jesus Delgado could be the minor leaguer the Marlins receive along with Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett, The Associated Press reports. Delgado, a 21-year-old reliever, was added to Boston's 40-man roster last week to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. He throws in the mid-90s and keeps the ball on the ground, making him a potential setup man.

[example1]

i don't know the full details of this trade, but how i'm looking at it now its seems kinda one way on the money side;

 

lowell- 7.5 million

beckett-2.4 million and when is he a FA?

 

hanley-360K

sanchez-360K

Player to be named- for this to be fair money wise he would have to make about 8.4 million dollars

 

i mean are we paying all of lowell's $? thats pretty crazy if we are because we aren't filling our needs by getting a space cadet on the wrong side of 30 and a young injury prone pitcher for some of our best prospects...we still don't have a great BP and a CF yet or any position player BUs

 

It would have been impossible to get Beckett otherwise. We are getting a pitcher who is very good nearly every time he steps on the mound. He will probably get more than 27 starts, so injury prone or not he will be a significant pitcher for the sox next year.

 

This trade changes a lot for the sox. Our pitching woes are over for the time being. In fact we're loaded.

 

If we keep Manny and trade Wells for Roberts (CF) we will still have a very good lineup, especially if we can pull a deal for Huff.

[RedSoxRooter]

Sox starting pitchers

Josh Beckett

Curt Schilling

David Wells

Jonathan Papelbon

Tim Wakefield

Matt Clement

Bronson Arroyo

 

Imagine we also get a healthier Wade Miller back too.

[riverside sluggers]

yeah Wade Miller has a team option on him for 2006, but look for that option to be declined obviously.

[26 to 6]

the Marlins are sending cash considerations to Boston due to Lowell's remaing contract

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Didnt the Marlins want to avoid paying ANYTHING on Lowell's contract?

 

This is odd

[riverside sluggers]

courtesy of the article on ESPN.com

 

Only some last-minute haggling over dollars appeared to be holding up the deal, a baseball official with knowledge of the discussions told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

[ksushi]

I think papelbon will be a starter this year. Someone said he needed another pitch but i dont think thats the case at all. Plus fastball, excellent slider that he changes angles on and a pretty good change up. Thats the make up of a good starting pitcher. and in 3 starts this year he did very well and man does he have poise. I think with him schilling and beckett in the rotation that gives us three guys who could turn up aces. Thats HUGE. It gives us the oppurtunity to put arroyo in the pen, and that also is HUGE.

[RedSoxRooter]

Do you guys have a problem with him taking 21 knowing that there is a chance he has it for a while and possibly become a Hall of Fame pitcher wearing 21 for the Sox, and then there be a conflict of who to retire it for?.

 

Clemens owes us not a thing and the Red Sox owe him nothing (ok, maybe an appology), but that's it. If Beckett wants THAT 21, then let him have it. I just hope he can back it up.

[yankeessuck013]

And to think we did all this without a GM.

[yankeessuck013]

Right-hander Jesus Delgado could be the minor leaguer the Marlins receive along with Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett, The Associated Press reports.

Delgado, a 21-year-old reliever, was added to Boston's 40-man roster last week to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. He throws in the mid-90s and keeps the ball on the ground, making him a potential setup man.

 

(per rotoworld)

[Cityofchampions33]

I'm glad we didn't give up Lester in this deal, he seems a bit more promising than Sanchez. Only thing that worries me is our SS position, what will happen if Rent upsets again? He isn't exactly 27 anymore and Hanley provided backup for the future. I guess Pedroia could take over once Rent is gone, and Lowry or someone can take the 2B position.

 

Schilling

Beckett

Wakefield

Clement

Papelbon

 

That is a great rotation, and we somewhat gained some back from the 2004 team though you cannot beat the Pedro-Schill combo. If Clement can become more consistent then we're solid 1-5.

 

Also waht does this mean for Youkilis? I would much rather start him over Lowell. Then again, do you think we start him at 1st? That would mean we don't get Huff/Overbay, which IMO weakens our lineup. Hopefully we can dump him somewhere or something, becuase he's too expensive to sit.

[riverside sluggers]

Also waht does this mean for Youkilis? I would much rather start him over Lowell. Then again, do you think we start him at 1st? That would mean we don't get Huff/Overbay, which IMO weakens our lineup. Hopefully we can dump him somewhere or something, becuase he's too expensive to sit.

 

With the emegence of Lowell, our solid D Bill Mueller could be odd man out. Sox are all but certain to make Youk their starting 3rd baseman, he could shift over to 1st base to make way for Lowell. The Twins and Brewers have spoken the most interest, both teams are likely to offer longer contracts than Boston and significantly more playing time.

 

Huff is still a viable option to take over left field if the Sox, Mets and Devil Rays do that supposed 3 team trade.

[ORS]

Good trade. Beckett, when healthy and focussed, is a premiere pitcher, and it's worth eating Lowell's contract to obtain a young front of the rotation starter. I do worry about his Home/Road splits, but I think being around a focussed veteran like Schilling will help his mental approach during the dog days of summer. I have no question about his ability to get up for big games. He's a difference maker. Plus, if Lowell is able to turn things around, and Fenway will help with that, then the FO comes out smelling like roses on this one, no matter how well Hanley or Anibal perform.

 

So, Hanley may be the Marlin's starting SS this year? I think he's about to bust loose and prove all the hype surrounding him. I tracked his stats this year. He'd go 3/4 with a triple and a SB, then follow it with a couple of 0'fers. All the other tools are ready for the show, so once he gets consistent with his stroke, watch out.

 

That said, he and Anibal are still only prospects, while Beckett is a proven MLB commodity. You have to pull the trigger on these types of trades.

[riverside sluggers]

Beckett will also be able to improve with pitching coach Dave Wallace and our gold glover capatin varitek who has mentored this past season: Paps, Delcarmen, and Hansen

[jimmycarter05]

i still say we trade lowell for a bullpen guy and use youkilis at 3rd and get overbay(he's much better than huff, cheaper too) for arryo since we have a overkill of sp...then we just trade wells for cash and use that(and what we save off lowell) money to acquire a great CF(hopefully resign damon to 3-4 years with a one year option, i mean the man has never ever been on the DL in his career).

[jimmycarter05]

The Red Sox have agreed to take on all $18 million of the money owed to Lowell over the next two seasons, a baseball official with knowledge of the discussions told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark

 

 

WTF! he's not worth it...money wise this is a very unfair and stupid trade

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211

[Ray10]

Wow what a GREAT pickup for Boston. But im kinda sad to see Hanley go in the deal he was going to be a great SS for us. So what's gonna happen with Mueller now are they going to resign him or no. Or could they just move Lowell to first base and try and resign Mueller.

[ORS]

WTF! he's not worth it...money wise this is a very unfair and stupid trade

You don't get a player of Beckett's caliber from a team trying to dump salary without taking a big contract in the deal. Take the good with the bad. On the whole, this a good trade for the Sox. They are getting a young, I repeat young, front of the rotation starter. Beckett is only 6 months older than Papelbon and won the WS MVP when Papelbon was just finished with his first season of short season single A ball. Look at the talent involved, not the balance sheet.