Official NBA thread

[DirtDog]

Here, I'll play this game too.

 

What are you, 6?

lol

 

Irrelevant, anyone's who has followed sports for more than a month or two knows that you don't set first-year championships as benchmarks.

Alright so, they should just wait a little while before trying to win. I mean possibly until their 30s, cause they won't be hungry for a championship till then. Why can't you set a benchmark of a championship this year? Anything else is a failure. Wade, Lebron, Bosh have all acknowledged this.

He mailed it in? Prove it.

Miami Heat didn't seem to have any concerns about his elbow injury, did they? Oh wait, that's right... there was no injury.

Easy for Joe Fan to say.

Yeah it is easy for me to say that I would sign a contract for 6 years of my life to work with people who I'd generally expect to get along with. But that's just me.

 

Awww, want a pukey bucket?

lol

 

 

Terrific. That doesn't mean anything.

You're right, using other teams as examples of how to build an NBA team means nothing. Only 1 team besides Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, Bulls and Rockets have won championships in the last 25 years. That would be your D-Whistle and the 2006 Miami Heat.

 

Terrific. That doesn't mean anything.

You're right, using other teams as examples of how to an NBA team will fare means nothing. Only 1 team besides Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, Bulls and Rockets have won championships in the last 25 years. That would be your D-Whistle and the 2006 Miami Heat.

 

 

Why a bunch of sadsack Joe Fans like you hate them doesn't really matter. D-Wade summed it up nicely, in that same article no less: "I think the stat is, Boston is 30-15 (actually 30-17) in the playoffs since they've been together. We're 0-0."

For every humble quote you can nitpick from the Heat, I can easily find 10 arrogant ones. Like how everyone should refer to them as the Heatles, or how they deserve and will get 6 or 7 championships. Or Lebron "I can't defer."

 

 

 

Really?

Ya. Rly. Celtics are 2-0 against the Heat this year.

 

 

 

lol

lol

 

 

How's the statement stupid? They feel they have chemistry issues, and said so. You'd still be bitching up a storm if LeBron, Wade, and Bosh covered it up and said there was no problem.

Yes, covering it up would help. IF opposing teams know you're weak they will tend to find ways to exploit it.

 

 

 

Not a smart quote, but does it really matter? He said that when Miami was an underwhelming 7-4 after a cake schedule to open the season. It's reasonable to assume (based on common sense) that the message of the quote wasn't 'we don't want to work', it was 'we feel overworked for where we are at this point in our Heat careers, 10% of the way through our first season together'.

OK

 

Yeah yeah yeah, you're sad that they make a lot of money for playing basketball while poor little you mans the deep frier at Wendy's. Tragic.

 

LOL Zing! If only you correctly captured my job description.

[italstallianion]

Don't say that I didn't warn you about what happens when you feed that troll.

[DirtDog]

Let's just say I'm curious. I know for a fact he will change to subject to something along the lines about Garnett and about how much of a @$$ he is, or something about Paul Pierce's wheelchair.

[yankees228]

Two early season games are hardly proof that the Celtics will roll over the Heat in the playoffs.

[italstallianion]

Definitely, granted, I don't think the Heat will make the NBA finals, but I don't see them being rolled over in any given series. Barring a significant injury anyways.

[yankees228]

A lot of it will come down to how the Celtics older roster holds up through the entire regular season and two rounds of playoffs (assuming they meet the Heat in the ECF). The younger and more athletic Heat might have the advantage come late May and early June.

 

Aside from that, it's a very interesting matchup to break down, but there should be plenty of time for that come the playoffs.

[bsox0407]

The Key with the Boston Celtics is the injuries and getting healthy from them. We have not had a game where everyone on the roster was healthy. Perk is a huge key to this team as is Shaq and the other o'neal. Plus missing West is pretty big as is the back up PG as Nate would move to SG.

[DirtDog]

I think the Bulls are better than the Heat right now. IMO. They could beat Celtics in a 7 game series. But ultimately if Celtics are healthy I think they take the east.

[Dipre]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect me to have picked up on your implication. You could certainly believe, as I'm sure others do, that despite how evil someone might be (or might have been), a person should only hate him or her if their lives were directly impacted by the offenders actions.

 

So I took your statement at face value and simply posed an extreme example to see how firm your stance was. It's a common discussion technique, so I'm not sure why you acted like it was some sort of crazy question.

 

And now, after asking that question, I understand more specifically how you feel about the issue.

 

I disagree, since i presented flexibility in my stance before you used the extremes in the example, which anyway take the initial point of discussion out of context.

[yankees228]

I disagree' date=' since i presented flexibility in my stance before you used the extremes in the example, which anyway take the initial point of discussion out of context.[/quote']

 

Your first statement...

 

Not in all circumstances.

 

and your second statement...

 

But i believe that for "hatred" to exist towards someone else they should have done something directly to you to justify that hatred.

 

contradict each other. So I asked a relevant question in an attempt to completely understand your position, which to me (and probably to someone else following this conversation) wasn't crystal clear. I fail to see the harm in that.

 

And as for the initial point of the discussion, you shifted that from hating Lebron to when hate for someone is justified.

[Dipre]

They contradict each other how?

 

I said, not in all circumstances, but that the common denominator for the "hatred" to exist had to be justified. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Someone you don't know personally can harm you, and you can hate them for it. There is no contradiction, specially in the context of the current discussion. A joker can phish your credit card number, max it, and you can hate them, and there's your "he screwed me over" factor, while you don't know them.

 

Also, i didn't shift the topic of discussion, it shifted when i was asked to justify why someone shouldn't hate someone they don't know (which is the rule, rather than the exception, but i digress) and i did so, thus shifting the topic of discussion.

[yankees228]

They contradict each other how?

 

I said, not in all circumstances, but that the common denominator for the "hatred" to exist had to be justified. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Someone you don't know personally can harm you, and you can hate them for it. There is no contradiction, specially in the context of the current discussion. A joker can phish your credit card number, max it, and you can hate them, and there's your "he screwed me over" factor, while you don't know them.

 

Also, i didn't shift the topic of discussion, it shifted when i was asked to justify why someone shouldn't hate someone they don't know (which is the rule, rather than the exception, but i digress) and i did so, thus shifting the topic of discussion.

 

The first statement suggests that a person doesn't necessarily have to directly affect you for hatred towards that person to be justified. The second statement suggests that hate for someone is only justified if they've done something directly to you. Those statements don't appear to be speaking to the idea that hate needs to be justified, but rather when it's reasonable to justify hate. Your intent may have been different, but that's just the way it reads.

 

Responding to the credit card comment, the discussion didn't seem to center around whether or not you need to know that person, but rather that person needs to have done you some type of harm.

 

And when the conversation shifted is debatable, but you were the one to introduce the idea that in order to have hatred towards a person, that person needs to have done you harm. To me, that seems like the turning point.

 

But we really aren't arguing over much, as we're no longer debating the point of the discussion, and we're instead talking about whether my response to your point was justified. Seems a bit silly, which I helped to perpetuate. On the other hand, if you want to respond I'll continue to engage you in conversation - an unfortunate consequence of having no plans tonight lol.

[italstallianion]

When you talk Y228, I just picture someone like Sherlock Holmes in a trench coat in his library with a pipe and a newspaper.

[Dipre]

Definitely agree on the "no plans for tonight" point, since i have a big-ass presentation for Public Budgeting tomorrow, and i'm procrastinating like they're paying me for it.

[yankees228]

When you talk Y228' date=' I just picture someone like Sherlock Holmes in a trench coat in his library with a pipe and a newspaper. [/quote']

 

Haha, well stick with that image, it's probably more flattering than reality in this case.

[yankees228]

Definitely agree on the "no plans for tonight" point' date=' since i have a big-ass presentation for Public Budgeting tomorrow, and i'm procrastinating like they're paying me for it.[/quote']

 

Ah, well that's a situation I can certainly relate to. Good luck with the presentation.

[yankees228]

And to get back on topic, a very poor start for the Knicks tonight in a relatively important game. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise with the Knicks' interior defense, but of course tonight is the night when Elton Brand plays like the Clippers version.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Funny coming from you. These are two things you know nothing about.

 

Ohhhh, good one.

 

Wait, so just because I don't personally know LeBron means I can't dislike him in any way? I don't follow that logic.

 

You can dislike him, but your reasons for disliking someone you don't know and have never even met are mind-numblingly retarded, and make you look like a jealous little bitch.

 

What are your feelings on Mike Vick? Ben Roethlisberger? Gilbert Arenas? You know, guys that have actually had some sort of harmful criminal activity attached to their name at some point.

 

In addition' date=' I think it's a bit hypocritical to say that nobody can hate someone they don't know, when people constantly hate other sports teams,[/quote']

 

So what? Hating other sports teams is pointless and retarded too. Just as useless as spouting about LeBron. I grew out of that when I was 15. Obviously you haven't, though.

 

and other posters here.

 

People on here actually have interaction with each other, so not the same thing.

 

Wow' date=' never thought I'd get ripped apart for posting Heat hate. If one doesn't understand why Lebron isn't all that is wrong with the NBA, you obviously haven't been watching close enough. There is a reason the sport is losing ground in popularity.[/quote']

 

No, you're getting ripped apart for saying really, really, really stupid things. I don't give a s*** who you root for, to be quite honest your stupidity sort of makes me embarrassed to be a Celtics fan (if only because I know that plenty of dumbshit Boston fans think exactly like you).

 

I'd say that I was surprised' date=' but this is coming not too long after a big 2 on 1 fight over hating LeBron, so watch what you say about him, because if you even hint anything negative about LeBron, you'll get attacked. And god forbid you keep continuing to feed the troll.[/quote']

 

Still bitter about being made a fool out of, I see.

 

Still haven't countered my points either.

 

I think you can stop talking.

 

Alright so' date=' they should just wait a little while before trying to win. I mean possibly until their 30s, cause they won't be hungry for a championship till then. Why can't you set a benchmark of a championship this year? Anything else is a failure. Wade, Lebron, Bosh have all acknowledged this.[/quote']

 

Where in the flying f*** do you get me saying they should WAIT to try and win a championship? Christ. Do you even know what benchmark means? Just because one team won a championship in their first year together doesn't mean that it should be the outside expectation set on every other team like them.

 

So many f***ing idiots around here lately.

 

Miami Heat didn't seem to have any concerns about his elbow injury, did they? Oh wait, that's right... there was no injury.

 

There was no injury? Prove it, doctor Joe Fan.

 

And since when did an elbow injury in May mean automatic concern for October/November? You're not too good at 'playing this game'.

 

Yeah it is easy for me to say that I would sign a contract for 6 years of my life to work with people who I'd generally expect to get along with. But that's just me.

 

WOW. Basketball players can get along with each other and still have chemistry issues on the court, Einstein.

 

You're right, using other teams as examples of how to build an NBA team means nothing.

 

What the f*** that has to do with anything posted beforehand, I have no idea, but yes, it means nothing. Every great team has different great players who excel at different things. In play style, Chris Bosh isn't Kevin Garnett, LeBron James isn't Paul Pierce, Dwyane Wade isn't Ray Allen (or Rondo, for that matter), so what the f*** does anyone gain out of comparing the two teams in their first year together? God you're clueless.

 

Only 1 team besides Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, Bulls and Rockets have won championships in the last 25 years. That would be your D-Whistle and the 2006 Miami Heat.

 

And this has what to do with what?

 

For every humble quote you can nitpick from the Heat, I can easily find 10 arrogant ones.

 

And this has what to do with what?

 

Oh right, I forgot, you Joe Fans don't like it when famous athletes deviate from your opinion of how they should think of themselves.

 

Like how everyone should refer to them as the Heatles, or how they deserve and will get 6 or 7 championships. Or Lebron "I can't defer."

 

WHO. CARES?

 

Ya. Rly. Celtics are 2-0 against the Heat this year.

 

And the last game they played was mid-November, when the Heat were sputtering out of the gate. The playoffs start in April, over two months from now, and the earliest we can expect a Heat/Celtics series is mid-late May.

 

Congratulations, you don't have a point.

 

Yes, covering it up would help. IF opposing teams know you're weak they will tend to find ways to exploit it.

 

So you would still be bitching up a storm though.

 

LOL Zing! If only you correctly captured my job description.

 

So someone actually pays you to do more than that? God help that company.

 

Let's just say I'm curious. I know for a fact he will change to subject to something along the lines about Garnett and about how much of a @$$ he is' date=' or something about Paul Pierce's wheelchair.[/quote']

 

Why would I? Even if I wasn't a Celtics fan, that would be the same kind of whiny, baseless crap you shat all over the thread. I'm much smarter than you and all the other f***tard Joe Fans who mope about how sad LeBron makes you, so I don't need to go there.

[italstallianion]

When you make points, I'll consider countering them. All you've done is try and act like I haven't made any points, or that my points are stupid, without making points of your own. There's a reason why you're on an island here. I'll stop talking when I'm done laughing at you because you keep on going. First it was you vs. Keeper, then I got dragged into this vs. you, then it went back to you vs. Keeper, then you vs. DirtDog, and now you're coming at me again. What's the common factor in all of these examples? You. You constantly attack people for their opinions, saying nothing other than useless interchangeable (not to mention unoriginal and not funny) insults and saying that they haven't countered points that you never made.

 

If I thought for one second that you beat me at anything, I would never show my face again. The fact is, there isn't really a debate, you just attacked people for their opinions because you can't understand any opinions other than your own. I disagreed with Dipre and Y228 as well, but they don't get out of hand like you do. In addition, I presented my case and explained myself to Y228 to understood exactly where I was coming from. You can't try and argue that I haven't made any points when a neutral party like Y228 acknowledged all of my points. You can't accept that people aren't going to agree with you, so you have to get all "tough" and on the offensive and you troll everyone to keep people responding to your garbage, and when someone finally has enough of you, you continue to respond because you're an attention whore.

 

You'll never be one of the funnier members here, nor will you ever be one of the smarter members here, nor one of the nicer members here. Your niche and reputation is as an immature petulant troll, and unless you do something about it, that's how a lot of people are going to view you. I feel bad for you because you bring it on yourself.

[italstallianion]

So what? Hating other sports teams is pointless and retarded too. Just as useless as spouting about LeBron. I grew out of that when I was 15. Obviously you haven't, though.

 

People on here actually have interaction with each other, so not the same thing.

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Since this is the only part of your entire post with any substance, I'll skip right to it. I guess poor substance is better than nothing at all.

 

You successfully avoided one trap only to fall into another. You avoided being inconsistent, but you set yourself up for either being "holier than thou" than the millions of sports fans out there that hate other sports teams, or you set yourself up to be a petty liar. You can choose which one you want to be, but you'd most likely fall into the later category. Seriously? You don't hate any sports teams? I don't think you can call yourself a true Red Sox fan if you don't hate the Yankees.

 

And as you clearly already don't know, I said that hating people here is not the exact same thing as hating a celebrity or athlete. However, while it isn't the exact same thing, it is close enough to be considered similar. More often than not, there's no face to face encounter, there's often lying or exaggerating about personal details (such as you winning a single argument in your life), and most people that get in arguments know very little about one another. For example, I know very little about you personally. And I doubt that you know much about me personally. While I can't say that I hate you (yet), I don't think that anyone could argue that I'd have every right to hate you if I wanted to. And if one can hate someone in this situation, without really knowing someone, that's very similar to hating someone like an athlete, who you don't know much about either.

[yankees228]

I don't mean to jump in the middle of this, but the part about hating teams interests me. Like J_E, I don't really hate any teams. I root against the Red Sox, but only because their lack of success is almost always a positive for the Yankees. But I don't hate them, and I actually like a good deal of their players, namely Lester, Ortiz, Drew, and Bard.

 

I don't entirely echo J_E's feelings though. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else because I don't hate any teams, nor I do I find those actions 'pointless and retarded'. I fully understand that one of the enjoyable parts of sports is not only rooting for your favorite team, but rooting against the ones that you dislike.

[italstallianion]

More often than not, things are better when you do jump in the middle of things. Obviously not everyone in the world is as calm and neutral as you are, but I don't believe for a second that millions of sports fans over the globe are "pointless and retarded" for hating other sports teams. Nor do I buy that JE is one of those few people who are as level headed and neutral as you are. This doesn't even have to be about sports, it can be about political parties and my point would still remain valid. Am I not allowed to hate George Bush or Margaret Thatcher (or even Michelle Bachmann for f**** sake) simply because I don't know them or have never met them?

 

There's a point where the actions and personality of the person in question trumps the absence of direct interaction whereby it's justifiable to hate someone. Granted, one can argue and debate that limit, and where that line is, but to argue that the line doesn't exist is "pointless and retarded"

[yankees228]

Yeah, well as level headed as I am, there are a variety of public figures that I can legitimately say I hate. Few people, if any, are above hating anybody. So on that, I completely agree.

[Keeper]

I'm much smarter than you and all the other f***tard Joe Fans who mope about how sad LeBron makes you' date=' so I don't need to go there.[/quote']

 

You don't need to go there, yet that is essentially what all of your posts are about. Delusions of grandeur. You need a reality check, pal. Vitriolic rants like the one above where you rip into other posters simply for having an opinion different than your own are your calling card. It's rather pathetic.

 

Anyone remember CrespoBlows? You two have a lot in common with your posting styles. Like CrespoBlows, you will one day get banned. When that happens, I know I won't be the only member here happy to see you gone.

[Emmz]

Haters gonna hate.

[Jasonbay44]

Cavs just lost an NBA record tying 23rd game in a row.. lol

 

And I know this is probably going to just keep adding to the fight.. but If season ended today, Id give the MVP to Lebron, again.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You successfully avoided one trap only to fall into another. You avoided being inconsistent' date=' but you set yourself up for either being "holier than thou" than the millions of sports fans out there that hate other sports teams, or you set yourself up to be a petty liar. You can choose which one you want to be, but you'd most likely fall into the later category. Seriously?[/quote']

 

What the f*** are you f***ing talking about.

 

It's not a case of I'm either holier-than-thou, or a liar. It's a case of 'I grew out of hating sports teams a long time ago, because it's absolutely useless'. Easy pezy.

 

You don't hate any sports teams? I don't think you can call yourself a true Red Sox fan if you don't hate the Yankees.

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

And as you clearly already don't know, I said that hating people here is not the exact same thing as hating a celebrity or athlete. However, while it isn't the exact same thing, it is close enough to be considered similar. More often than not, there's no face to face encounter, there's often lying or exaggerating about personal details (such as you winning a single argument in your life), and most people that get in arguments know very little about one another. For example, I know very little about you personally. And I doubt that you know much about me personally. While I can't say that I hate you (yet), I don't think that anyone could argue that I'd have every right to hate you if I wanted to. And if one can hate someone in this situation, without really knowing someone, that's very similar to hating someone like an athlete, who you don't know much about either.

 

So you theoretically hating me and thinking I'm an ******* based on internet exchanges where, you know, we've actually interacted, is on the exact same level as the petty hate you display for someone who you've never interacted with and whose only crime is thinking too highly of himself.

 

At the risk of repeating myself, you are clueless.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

More often than not' date=' things are better when you do jump in the middle of things. Obviously not everyone in the world is as calm and neutral as you are, but I don't believe for a second that millions of sports fans over the globe are "pointless and retarded" for hating other sports teams.[/quote']

 

The ACT is pointless and retarded, not the PEOPLE. Learn to read.

 

Nor do I buy that JE is one of those few people who are as level headed and neutral as you are. This doesn't even have to be about sports, it can be about political parties and my point would still remain valid. Am I not allowed to hate George Bush or Margaret Thatcher (or even Michelle Bachmann for f**** sake) simply because I don't know them or have never met them?

 

You're allowed to think whatever you want, just don't be surprised when people point out the numerous holes in it. That's how it works.

 

Even so, political figures and sports figures aren't really the same thing, but that's neither here or there.

 

There's a point where the actions and personality of the person in question trumps the absence of direct interaction whereby it's justifiable to hate someone.

 

And someone who merely makes tons of money for playing a game and thinks too highly of himself (in your opinion) really crosses that line, huh?

[Emmz]

Oh yeah? Well you're a stupid stupidhead.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

HEY BUTT OUT