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[Jasonbay44]

Lebron is on fire tonight... He has 35 points and game is only in 3rd quarter, he scored 23 in the first quarter alone.

[Spudboy]

Yawn.

[Keeper]

Yeah yeah yeah' date=' you're sad that they make a lot of money for playing basketball while poor little you mans the deep frier at Wendy's. Tragic.[/quote']

 

According to JE, if you criticize LeBron or the Heat, you must work in the fast food industry. Maybe you're projecting. Seriously man, could you be any more of an ass? You deserve whatever karma throws at you.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

According to JE' date=' if you criticize LeBron or the Heat, you must work in the fast food industry. Maybe you're projecting. Seriously man, could you be any more of an ass? You deserve whatever karma throws at you.[/quote']

 

Your 'criticism' is nothing but pissy, biased drivel. Try raising an actual valid point sometime, that isn't some crap like this:

 

'LeBron's bad because he thinks too highly of himself'

 

'LeBron's bad because he won't do the dunk contest'

 

'LeBron's bad because he didn't play through his injury despite the fact that he looked okay in shootaround according to some random non-doctor guy's expert opinion'

 

'LeBron's bad because he actually wanted teammates, therefore he's not a true competitior'

 

'LeBron's bad because he chose the Heat and formed a super trio, instead of choosing Chicago and possibly forming an even better super trio (in which case I would obviously be riding his dick much, much harder than I'm accusing J_E of)'

 

If you're going to both harbor and aggressively voice this bizarre, middle school level hatred of some guy you'll never even know, try doing so with more tact and intelligence, and less bullshitting that isn't rooted in petty, meaningless resentment of someone more successful than you. Maybe then I'll be less of an ass.

[Emmz]

Oh yeah?! Well you're all a bunch of poo-poo heads. OHHHHHHHH!

[Dipre]

So......LeBron dropped 51 last night with 11 rebounds and 8 assists.

 

Can any of the LeBron hating basketball experts tell me what was different?

 

Can they find some fault? I mean, you're obviously a selfish diva if you drop 51 and only get 8 assists am i right?

 

I'll say it again, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but the LeBron hate is utterly ridiculous. How can you hate someone you don't even know as a person?

 

The public perception of some guys is usually completely misguided. Alex Rodriguez is known as a consummate *******, but anyone who knows the guy will tell you that the guy's only mistake was trying to get everyone to like him. He's polite, soft spoken, and he's always there for the fans.

 

On the other hand, people think Teddy Bruschi, because of his contributions and personal sacrifice to the Pats, is the greatest guy ever, and from several accounts, he's a prick in real life.

 

The people who criticize him don't know anything about him. Hate him all you want there, but if i were a Celtics fan, i'd want him on the Celtics. I sure as hell would love him on my Lakers.

[Keeper]

try doing so with more tact and intelligence

 

Funny coming from you. These are two things you know nothing about.

 

Wait, so just because I don't personally know LeBron means I can't dislike him in any way? I don't follow that logic.

[Dipre]

Wait' date=' so just because I don't personally know LeBron means I can't dislike him in any way? I don't follow that logic.[/quote']

 

That brings me to the same question......how can you hate someone you don't know?

 

Hate is a very strong word. Dislike perhaps, annoyance.

 

Besides, would you still hate him had him signed with the Bulls? That makes the "hate" a bit disingenuous because it's conditioned to a decision to choose a specific team, and it's not like the Miami Heat are long-time rivals of the Bulls like the Yankees are of the Red Sox or the Celtics are of the Lakers.

 

And this is coming from a person who dislikes several athletes (most of them on the Yankees, Spurs and Jets) but i don't claim to "hate" any of them.

[yankees228]

So......LeBron dropped 51 last night with 11 rebounds and 8 assists.

 

Can any of the LeBron hating basketball experts tell me what was different?

 

Can they find some fault? I mean, you're obviously a selfish diva if you drop 51 and only get 8 assists am i right?

 

I'll say it again, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but the LeBron hate is utterly ridiculous. How can you hate someone you don't even know as a person?

 

The public perception of some guys is usually completely misguided. Alex Rodriguez is known as a consummate *******, but anyone who knows the guy will tell you that the guy's only mistake was trying to get everyone to like him. He's polite, soft spoken, and he's always there for the fans.

 

On the other hand, people think Teddy Bruschi, because of his contributions and personal sacrifice to the Pats, is the greatest guy ever, and from several accounts, he's a prick in real life.

 

The people who criticize him don't know anything about him. Hate him all you want there, but if i were a Celtics fan, i'd want him on the Celtics. I sure as hell would love him on my Lakers.

 

The bolded part is what interests me. I absolutely agree in most cases, especially when it pertains to sports. There is not a single professional athlete that I hate, and there are few that I even dislike. However, I don't completely agree that you can't hate someone you don't know as a person. There are a few people that I don't know personally that I hate because of their actions.

[italstallianion]

For the record, there's a huge difference between hating someone as a player and hating someone as a person. I don't think that any of the "LeBron Haters" are saying that he's a bad basketball player, so there was no point in bringing up the 51 point 11 rebound and 8 assist game yesterday.

[italstallianion]

As for hating someone that we don't know, I think that the word "hate" has been diluted so much that it loses a lot of its poignant meaning. For example, I don't mean hate to be as visceral as you are picking up on Dipre, which in your defense, you're going by the literal definition of the word "hate" whereas I'm going by the diluted version of hate that seems to be permeating everyday usage. So, as I had said sometime when the original fight was starting, perhaps "strongly dislike" would be a more accurate term.

 

My point is, that there are very few things in life that I hate. Similarly, most of my objects of hate are very temporary. In addition, I think that you're allowed to hate people you don't know, as long as you acknowledge that there's a possibility that the "real person" isn't the same as the media representation. Therefore, I think that everyone has the right to hate the media representation of Lebron, or Favre, or Roethlisberger, or the guys from Jersey Shore etc, however, saying that you hate Jersey Shore is a lot easier than saying all of that.

 

In addition, I think it's a bit hypocritical to say that nobody can hate someone they don't know, when people constantly hate other sports teams, and other posters here. For the longest time I hated a700 and Gom, but I never technically knew them (and I don't hate either of them now). So I don't think that one can say, or even act like they don't hate someone they don't know. I mean I don't know the CEO of Bank of America or Comcast, but I'd love to cage fight them both right now.

[Dipre]

As for hating someone that we don't know' date=' I think that the word "hate" has been diluted so much that it loses a lot of its poignant meaning. For example, I don't mean hate to be as visceral as you are picking up on Dipre, which in your defense, you're going by the literal definition of the word "hate" whereas I'm going by the diluted version of hate that seems to be permeating everyday usage. So, as I had said sometime when the original fight was starting, perhaps "strongly dislike" would be a more accurate term. [/quote']

 

I didn't single you out. We already discussed it and agreed that it was a misuse of the term "hatred". The fact that its meaning is diluted doesn't mean you are right in the use of the term.

 

My point is, that there are very few things in life that I hate. Similarly, most of my objects of hate are very temporary. In addition, I think that you're allowed to hate people you don't know, as long as you acknowledge that there's a possibility that the "real person" isn't the same as the media representation. Therefore, I think that everyone has the right to hate the media representation of Lebron, or Favre, or Roethlisberger, or the guys from Jersey Shore etc, however, saying that you hate Jersey Shore is a lot easier than saying all of that.

 

Which brings us to the above point. Hate is a very serious and ugly feeling. Saying it in the spurt of the moment is one thing, actively defending your "hatred" for someone signifies that you hate the person in the most literal of its meanings.

 

In addition, I think it's a bit hypocritical to say that nobody can hate someone they don't know, when people constantly hate other sports teams, and other posters here. For the longest time I hated a700 and Gom, but I never technically knew them (and I don't hate either of them now). So I don't think that one can say, or even act like they don't hate someone they don't know. I mean I don't know the CEO of Bank of America or Comcast, but I'd love to cage fight them both right now.

 

The people on this site, even if through the internet, interact with you, you "know them" in the most basic way possible. When has LeBron James interacted with you, how do you "know" him?

 

And for the record, your hatred (if it's literal) for the CEO of Bank of America is misguided.

[italstallianion]

As for the other point, how long have we been arguing this? It seems like forever since Keeper made an arbitrary anti-LeBron post and JE started the fighting by attacking him. It seems like ages.

 

This isn't getting anywhere, and will continue to not go anywhere. Nobody is going to change anyone elses perception on the issue. Many people hate LeBron, and many people don't. Nobody is going to convince anyone to change their opinion, so what's the point in even arguing? I don't think the people on one side or the other have any right to talk s*** or judge the people on the other side of the issue. It's a matter of opinion, or preference, and it really isn't anything that can be debated, and when arguments like this get personal, there may be a winner and a loser, but in the long run, everyone's a loser for getting involved in something stupid like this.

[Dipre]

So do you "hate" me for stating my opinion in a civilized manner?

[yankees228]

Dipre, do you think, in all circumstances, you have to know someone personally to hate them?

[italstallianion]

I didn't single you out. We already discussed it and agreed that it was a misuse of the term "hatred". The fact that its meaning is diluted doesn't mean you are right in the use of the term.

 

 

 

Which brings us to the above point. Hate is a very serious and ugly feeling. Saying it in the spurt of the moment is one thing, actively defending your "hatred" for someone signifies that you hate the person in the most literal of its meanings.

 

 

 

The people on this site, even if through the internet, interact with you, you "know them" in the most basic way possible. When has LeBron James interacted with you, how do you "know" him?

 

And for the record, your hatred (if it's literal) for the CEO of Bank of America is misguided.

 

 

 

I'm not accusing you of singling me out. I just felt like it was a good opportunity to explain something that I had explained a while ago that seemed to be forgotten. And for the record, I don't hate the CEO of Bank of America, although I would still like to drop a meaty brown chud missle on his front lawn if given the opportunity.

 

And you may have a small point about the meaning of hate being diluted not justifying its usage, and while I disagree, I think that as long as you attack everyone that coloquially uses the word "hate" instead of "am angry at" or "strongly dislike" then you'll have a point, otherwise you'd be guilty of a double standard. In other words, it's so common that I'd consider it the norm. I'd say it's like using "gay" instead of "stupid". Sure, in essence it isn't right, but everyone knows the intended meaning. For example, if I say that the teacher is gay for giving a lot of homework, I don't think anyone is going to think that the teacher is a homosexual, and that his sexual preference had anything to do with him assigning a lot of homework.

 

In other words, in principle I think you have a point, but in practice I don't think you do. Unless you go after everyone that uses (or abuses) this cultural norm, then you'd be setting yourself up for a double standard.

[italstallianion]

So do you "hate" me for stating my opinion in a civilized manner?

 

 

There are plenty of other logical reasons to hate you.

 

And had everyone stated their opinion in the civilised manner that you did, this whole LeBron battle never would have happened. Why can't everyone in the world be like Y228?

[Dipre]

Not in all circumstances.

 

But i believe that for "hatred" to exist towards someone else they should have done something directly to you to justify that hatred.

 

I'm of the strong belief that "hatred" is the worst feeling a human being can harbor, and that for it to be born, there have to be some pretty serious issues.

 

 

@ital: Notice how i said that a "i said it in the moment thing" is mostly okay, but if someone tries to actively justify it, i will call them out. And i do it in real life too, for what it's worth.

 

Also, just for the record, my initial "LeBron hate is ridiculous" comment was taken out of context, and then all hell broke loose.

[yankees228]

Haha, thanks ital. There's just no reason to take these things personally.

[italstallianion]

Yeah you Yankee loving bastard j/k

[yankees228]

Not in all circumstances.

 

But i believe that for "hatred" to exist towards someone else they should have done something directly to you to justify that hatred.

 

I'm of the strong belief that "hatred" is the worst feeling a human being can harbor, and that for it to be born, there have to be some pretty serious issues.

 

 

@ital: Notice how i said that a "i said it in the moment thing" is mostly okay, but if someone tries to actively justify it, i will call them out. And i do it in real life too, for what it's worth.

 

Also, just for the record, my initial "LeBron hate is ridiculous" comment was taken out of context, and then all hell broke loose.

 

So for the sake of discussion, lets take this to extreme examples. What would you tell someone who hated Hitler, despite not losing any relatives in the Holocaust?

[italstallianion]

In addition, I think it'd be hypocritical to say that you can't hate someone you don't know, and then hate a poster here. Sure, you may at least interact with posters here, but if it wasn't for facebook I wouldn't know many people's real names, and if it wasn't for the information under the avatar, I wouldn't know where a lot of people were from. It might make your point less hypocritical Dipre since there is "direct" interaction whereas that isn't the case with athletes, but I think that hating an athlete and hating someone here aren't too far apart in terms of "hating someone you don't know" let alone anything y228 added which piles on top of that.

 

My point, and I think Y228 shares this view, is that it's not fair, or right, to say that in NO circumstances, can someone hate someone that they don't know, or directly interact with.

[yankees228]

In addition, I think it'd be hypocritical to say that you can't hate someone you don't know, and then hate a poster here. Sure, you may at least interact with posters here, but if it wasn't for facebook I wouldn't know many people's real names, and if it wasn't for the information under the avatar, I wouldn't know where a lot of people were from. It might make your point less hypocritical Dipre since there is "direct" interaction whereas that isn't the case with athletes, but I think that hating an athlete and hating someone here aren't too far apart in terms of "hating someone you don't know" let alone anything y228 added which piles on top of that.

 

My point, and I think Y228 shares this view, is that it's not fair, or right, to say that in NO circumstances, can someone hate someone that they don't know, or directly interact with.

 

And this, in my opinion, is due to the fact that a person's actions can be so horrible that you hate them for what they've done to others or society as a whole.

[italstallianion]

And the fact that you didn't know them or interact with them has nothing to do with their actions.

[Dipre]

Wait, didn't i explicitly say in my post "Not in all circumstances do you have to know someone personally to hate them?"

 

Right here:

 

Not in all circumstances.

 

But i believe that for "hatred" to exist towards someone else they should have done something directly to you to justify that hatred.

 

I'm of the strong belief that "hatred" is the worst feeling a human being can harbor, and that for it to be born, there have to be some pretty serious issues.

 

You don't even have to go to extremes (which are usually not good ways to demonstrate a point).

 

I can hate someone who repeatedly makes racist comments towards me in the internet, and not knowing them personally, however, there is an interaction, and harm done to my image.

 

Some people do a disservice to humanity so big, that hatred towards them knows no boundaries, and it's justified.

 

I resent the hypocrisy accusations when i have clearly stated that it's not an "absolute" issue, but how can you "hate" someone who has not done you, your relatives, people close to you, or humanity, any harm, and then continually attempt to justify such hatred?

 

Point A: Statements of "hatred" done in the heat of the moment, are "heat of the moment things".

 

Point B: If it is not a heat of the moment thing, then there has to be a justifiable reason to that "hatred".

 

Point C: If you actually "hate" someone on the literal sense of the word, just for the sake of "hating" them, something is wrong with you.

 

Care to put any more words in my mouth? Anyone?

[yankees228]

My post, and the subsequent extreme example, was relevant because of this comment.

 

"But i believe that for "hatred" to exist towards someone else they should have done something directly to you to justify that hatred."

 

EDIT: And, in your above post, you qualified your statement, to include humanity.

[Dipre]

Because every rule has its "extreme" exception, which is assumed (incorrectly) that i wouldn't have to mention due to it being general knowledge. He who does a service to humanity does a disservice to me, by extension. So the "he f***ed me over" part of the equation is still there.

[yankees228]

Because every rule has its "extreme" exception' date=' which is assumed (incorrectly) that i wouldn't have to mention due to it being general knowledge. He who does a service to humanity does a disservice to me, by extension. So the "he f***ed me over" part of the equation is still there.[/quote']

 

I don't think it's reasonable to expect me to have picked up on your implication. You could certainly believe, as I'm sure others do, that despite how evil someone might be (or might have been), a person should only hate him or her if their lives were directly impacted by the offenders actions.

 

So I took your statement at face value and simply posed an extreme example to see how firm your stance was. It's a common discussion technique, so I'm not sure why you acted like it was some sort of crazy question.

 

And now, after asking that question, I understand more specifically how you feel about the issue.

[DirtDog]

Wow, never thought I'd get ripped apart for posting Heat hate. If one doesn't understand why Lebron isn't all that is wrong with the NBA, you obviously haven't been watching close enough. There is a reason the sport is losing ground in popularity.

[italstallianion]

I'd say that I was surprised, but this is coming not too long after a big 2 on 1 fight over hating LeBron, so watch what you say about him, because if you even hint anything negative about LeBron, you'll get attacked. And god forbid you keep continuing to feed the troll.