Usc/nd

[yankeessuck013]

anyone watch it?

 

leinhart faked spiked the ball with :03 seconds left and gave USC the win .....and he just won me $20

[ORS]

I think ND got hosed. The officials were lost on the goaline fumble play. They gave USC a spot about 1 foot from the endzone. To me it looked like the ball went backwards and out of bounds when Leinart got hit, and the spot should have been closer to the 1.5 yard line. Carroll got lucky that as the visiting team he got to opt for no replay. They still could have scored, but it wouldn't have been as easy.

[ARod2212]

That was ********.

[See Red]

That was a generous spot for USC. Usually it's a good play to put your helmet on the ball. it sucks that we lost because a guy did what you're taught to do. Oh well, it sucks, as a Notre Dame fan, but I just saw this team almost beat USC... so the future looks amazing for the Fighting Irish.

[BoSox84]

Awesome game, maybe USC got a good spot, but ND shouldnd of let it come down to that, stop them before and make sure they dont get that close. Pretty much an awesome day of football, Penn St. Mich goes to the final second, Wisc comes back agianst Minn, Bama with a FG to win as time expires. Great day

[Sox fan in Tex]

Greatest. Game. Ever. Like most here I'm sure, I was pulling for Notre Dame (don't really care too much for USC). When Leinhart was stopped short of the touchdown and the clock kept running, I was sure that ND had pulled off the upset. Looking at USC's schedule, it looks like they will easily role from here on out.

[ORS]

USC still has two good offenses to face. UCLA and Cal. Neither defense looks that strong, so USC should rack up the points, but USC's D hasn't amazed me yet against a good team.

[yankeessuck013]

I think that was bad coaching by Charlie Weis at the end of the game. I have no clue why he didnt use his Timouts once USC got close to scoring.

 

The time wasnt a factor to USC because they were so close. I would have called timeouts to at least give ND a chance if USC scored.

 

It was 1st and goal with about 40 something seconds left, I would have definatley tried to save as much time as I could for my offense, btu even earlier ND could have saved more time. They ended the game with all 3 timeouts.

[stocker323]

I think that was bad coaching by Charlie Weis at the end of the game. I have no clue why he didnt use his Timouts once USC got close to scoring.

 

The time wasnt a factor to USC because they were so close. I would have called timeouts to at least give ND a chance if USC scored.

 

It was 1st and goal with about 40 something seconds left, I would have definatley tried to save as much time as I could for my offense, btu even earlier ND could have saved more time. They ended the game with all 3 timeouts.

 

Time wasn't a factor? If Leinart doesn't fumble it the game is over. I think both teams coached it well. Weis had confidence in their defense that they could stop them and they just about did.

[ORS]

Weis not stopping the clock did strike me as odd. If he stops it, he at least gives his QB a chance to be a hero (again). That said, not stopping it makes sense too. Perhaps he wanted USC hurrying because most mistakes are made in haste.

 

As far as coaching the game goes. Weis owned Carroll. Carroll won that game because he had the horses. Without Reggie Bush's amazing evasiveness, ND wins that game by two TDs IMO.

[BrentD22]

The game was won on the 4th & 9 pass play down field. I can't figure out how any DB could allow a WR to past him on a play like that. On a 4th & 9 play your taught to keep the player in front of you. Even if the DB allowed the WR to catch the ball in front of him he would have been able to make the tackle. Maybe USC would have still got a 1st down, but that long pass play set up what happened at the end of the game.

 

As far as the fumble play it was sad because ND played well all day and a mistake by a DB and a lucky call/spot by the ref won the game for USC. I think they need to review this rule. In that situation the only possible thing that could have saved USC's ass when he couldn't get in to the zone was a fumble out of bounds. I'm not saying he did it on purpose, but it sucks when something that is usually bad for your team to do becomes a free time out for your team allowing them a second chance to win the game. Give a team like USC that much and they'll get into the zone.

[yankeessuck013]

Time wasn't a factor? If Leinart doesn't fumble it the game is over. I think both teams coached it well. Weis had confidence in their defense that they could stop them and they just about did.

 

Time was a factor once they got inside the 3 yard line, but USC ran the clock down so there would be no time left for ND. USC was not in a hurry. Leihnart almost messed that up by trying to get in and not getting out of bounds, he got a lucky break.

 

Im sorry, but USC at the 3 with like 43 seconds left, Im using my timeouts. When have they not scored in a situation like that?

 

He showed confidence in his defense, but they just gave up a huge play, USC clearly had the momentum. A TO would have given his good Offense a chance with atleast 30 seconds left, more IMO.

[DrewDaGreat]

USC won, fair and square. They survived a scare against a good team, on the road. That's why they are the champions.

[ARod2212]

USC won, fair and square. They survived a scare against a good team, on the road. That's why they are the champions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/story/356229p-303653c.html

Leinart did, and got into the end zone, reaching backward over his head to get the ball over the goal line, helped by a shove from Bush.

 

 

"I used all 200 pounds of my body to push Matt in," Bush said.

 

 

The shove should have resulted in a five-yard penalty, as NCAA rules state: "No other player of (the runner's) team shall grasp, push, lift or charge into him to assist him in forward progress."

Fair and square?

[YanksHater213]

So much contreversy... it was a great game, forget about it.

[ARod2212]

It was an amazing game, but damnit the Irish could be in the Top 5 right now and serious contenders. Suprised to see them keep their #9 ranking.

[See Red]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/story/356229p-303653c.html

 

Fair and square?

 

Exactly, A-Rod... USC was even joking about it after the game and the NCAA Rules Committee Editor even acknowledged that what Reggie Bush did was illegal.

 

Dennis Dodd of CBS Sportsline said it best... "On a field made of shamrocks, USC shockingly, fortunately, lucked out."

 

Notre Dame got absolutely screwed.

[YankeeDoodle]

Well isn't that college sports for you.

 

Weis becomes the first ND coach to lose his first two home games. Yeah ok so that stat is a bit misleading...

[BoSox84]

Well mabe if Notre Dame didnt allow a 30 yard pass, on 4th and 9 this woulndnt of happened. We can go back and I bet we see alot of missed calls in the game. Fact is Notre Dame shouldnt have put themselves in that position. Also, they showed a replay on Cold Pizza this morning of the fumble. You can see the ball go in front of the offical holding the down marker, which means the ball should not have been placed at the 2 or 3, the refs did a fine job spotting the ball.

[ORS]

Well mabe if Notre Dame didnt allow a 30 yard pass, on 4th and 9 this woulndnt of happened. We can go back and I bet we see alot of missed calls in the game. Fact is Notre Dame shouldnt have put themselves in that position. Also, they showed a replay on Cold Pizza this morning of the fumble. You can see the ball go in front of the offical holding the down marker, which means the ball should not have been placed at the 2 or 3, the refs did a fine job spotting the ball.

Personally, I think USC would have scored anyway. They just have that "it" factor about them.

 

The argument that a team "shouldn't have put themselves in that postion" is a f***ing cop out. It avoids the issue, the call. Woulda, coulda, shoulda's about what has already happened doesn't change the fact that a questionable call has been made.

 

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. If a team plays well enough to tie, then they should tie, not lose (obviously not the case here, but the point is the same). When calls tip the advantage one way or the other, then there is a problem.

[See Red]

Well mabe if Notre Dame didnt allow a 30 yard pass, on 4th and 9 this woulndnt of happened. We can go back and I bet we see alot of missed calls in the game. Fact is Notre Dame shouldnt have put themselves in that position. Also, they showed a replay on Cold Pizza this morning of the fumble. You can see the ball go in front of the offical holding the down marker, which means the ball should not have been placed at the 2 or 3, the refs did a fine job spotting the ball.

 

I'm not saying it should be at the 2 or 3... but Matt Leinart fumbled the ball at the one, the ball went backwards... the ball was spotted inside the one. How does that work?

 

Regardless of whether or not they should've been in that position... they were -- the refs blew two calls that cost Notre Dame the game. If the 'aiding the runner' was called on Bush, it'd have been a loss of 5 yards... and the clock had expired, so game over.

[BoSox84]

The guy with the down marker stands where the L.O.S is, the ball went in front of him, so the spot was fine. Watch the replay. I agree Bush did aid Leinhart, but thats a toug call from anywhere on the field. Notre Dame shouldnt have put themselves in the position where they could lose like that.

[thewarriorscode12]

anyone watch it?

 

leinhart faked spiked the ball with :03 seconds left and gave USC the win .....and he just won me $20

Jeez. Great game. Unfortuneatly, the wrong team came out on top. My Irish lost. :rant:

[thewarriorscode12]

I'm not saying it should be at the 2 or 3... but Matt Leinart fumbled the ball at the one, the ball went backwards... the ball was spotted inside the one. How does that work?

 

Regardless of whether or not they should've been in that position... they were -- the refs blew two calls that cost Notre Dame the game. If the 'aiding the runner' was called on Bush, it'd have been a loss of 5 yards... and the clock had expired, so game over.

:rant: That's what makes me the most angry. I mean I can take a loss, but it's a hard pill to swallow when you know you SHOULD have won.

[thewarriorscode12]

It was an amazing game, but damnit the Irish could be in the Top 5 right now and serious contenders. Suprised to see them keep their #9 ranking.

I know, they could be a top 5 team, that'd be something. But I'm not surprised to see them keep #9. When you play the #1 team in the nation so close, and should've won, it's only just that they maintain their ranking.

[See Red]

The guy with the down marker stands where the L.O.S is, the ball went in front of him, so the spot was fine. Watch the replay. I agree Bush did aid Leinhart, but thats a toug call from anywhere on the field. Notre Dame shouldnt have put themselves in the position where they could lose like that.

 

The line of scrimmage was also the two yard line, and the ball was placed inside the one.

 

I NEVER said the ball should be at or beyond the two yardline.

[BoSox84]

The line of scrimmage was also the two yard line, and the ball was placed inside the one.

 

I NEVER said the ball should be at or beyond the two yardline.

 

 

Im not arguing with you here. Im saying I just saw a diffrent replay from ESPN, that showed the ball went in front of the guy holding the down marker.

 

The argument that a team "shouldn't have put themselves in that postion" is a f***ing cop out

 

Sorry I think blaming a loss on an offical is the cop out. You can o back and look and I bet you see tons of missed calls. How can you say notre Dame letting USC get about a 30 yard gain on 4th and 9 is a cop out. ND didnt stop them so they lost pure and simple.

 

 

 

People are saying this is the greatest game ever, do you guys agree with that? I think the BC vs Miami game is one, Miami vs Ohio State in the Nat. Championship a few years back was better as well.

[ARod2212]

This was one of the best I've seen, definitely. That national championship game was something else though.

 

ND is ranked 16 in the BCS and needs to win out to qualify for a bowl. Kind of surprising considering their showing in the two major polls. I still think Texas is the best team in the country.

[ORS]

Sorry I think blaming a loss on an offical is the cop out. You can o back and look and I bet you see tons of missed calls. How can you say notre Dame letting USC get about a 30 yard gain on 4th and 9 is a cop out. ND didnt stop them so they lost pure and simple.

Hopefully you don't think too often because you aren't very good at it.

 

What happened prior to the questionable spot and missed call happened with clean officiating. Saying something "shouldn't" have happened is just plain stupid because it did happen. If a team gets beat on the field, then they truly lost. That wasn't the case here. USC got a good spot (which happens from time to time) and the refs blew an illegal assitance call. If they make the call, USC loses the game. That's not a cop out, that's the truth.

 

Your approach to the issue is the copout because you totally avoid the issue; it was a missed call. The touchdown wasn't scored on the 4th and 9 play; it was scored on the missed call play.

[BoSox84]

You should stop crying, if your team BLOWS IT you blame the offical, thats a cop out. Maybe if ND had a defense they wouldnt have had it come down to an officals call. Is this how you act in public, if something doesnt go your way you bitch and whine about it, sounds like a typical ND fan. When my Canes lost to Ohio State in the Nat. Champ game, the Pass Int. call on 4th down was questionable, but we didnt bitch, because we had many chances to put them away and we didnt it's our fault we lost.

 

 

Hopefully you don't think too often because you aren't very good at it.

 

OOOO, did you think of that all by yourself or did you get help?