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[ORS]

First thing I have to say is about Theo, His Contract expires in 23 DAYS!!! If he is not resigned by then forget about him and you all know who needs a GM Cashman sux!!

 

Well if we do resign him, I think that we are not gonna pursue just free agents. Manny will probably be traded and as for a replacemnt why not Matsui? Hes a free agent. Manny will go to the Mets hopefully for a guy like Wright who I would just love to see here. I also think were gonna make a blockbust trade for a guy like Shmidt who was good or Carlos Silva 3.44 era. They also might probably go after offence such as blaylock or Delgado who the Marlins wanna get rid of. Also guys they coulg go for romero, the other good releiver on the twins, (not nathan) Sexon, Milton Bradley, Odais Perez (dodgers) and Brandon Webb. I just dont see any of the big name free agents in Boston next year i see them making more trades. Guys that they could trade could be Pedroia(totally overrated, Edgar Moves to second for Hanley) Lester, Moss, Annibal Sanchez, Their #1 draft pick of 05 and David Murphy.

Have you seen Pedroia play? I haven't, but I'm impressed with how quickly he handled each level of development. His numbers were very good in Pawtuckett before he got plunked on the wrist, which seems to have plagued him the 2nd half of the season.

 

There is a team playing right now that has auctioned off a lot of its future to get big name players in order to win now. The only problem is, they aren't winning championships now.

 

However, they did go on a run where they won 4 in 5 years thanks largely to a core of players that came from their farm system. I think it would be wise of the Red Sox to follow that model. Just like the Yankees, the Sox have the resources to keep system talent that can perform in the bigs and suplement it with FA market players that can fill holes.

[MANNYHOF24]

Well I think we can say Papelbon should be a main stay in our bullpen next season. What free agent starting pitchers are out there this off-season?

 

No papelbon should be our number 2 starter next year

[riverside sluggers]

anyone think bronson's 2006 club option should be picked up by the Sox? there has been good starts, but then again a number of starts in 2005 had him last 3 innings or less giving up 5+ Runs

 

if wells doesnt retire

1. back to form Schilling

2. Wells

3. Papelbon

4. Wakefield

5. Clement (if Clement has again a good 1st half, but another disgusting 2nd half, sox should consider dealing him the 2006 offseason)

 

if wells retires

1. back to form Schilling

2. Matt Morris, if not then A.J. Burnett

3. Papelbon

4. Wakefield

5. Clement

[MannyDoesntRun]

I think we need MLB to make a 2nd wild card, come on guys we've won the wild card 3 years in a row now!

 

Obviously next year is going to be a rebuilding year, and the Yankees will win the east like always, am I the only one worried about sneaking into the playoffs again?

[jimmycarter05]

I also think Edgar will be a lot better offensively and defensively.

 

well he can't get much worse defensively

[mosox]

If Edgar didn't hit well with Ortiz and Manny behind him, I don't know how he'll hit better next year if Manny is traded. If there is no Manny, the first priority is finding protection for Ortiz, GOOD LUCK.

The Sox need a front line starter, Morris and Burnett are the big options, but they both have red flags, Morris has shown a good curve ball this year, but it's suspicious how good a year he's having now in his free agent year. Burnett staying healthy for a season is a concern. Trade Clement, now. Matt has a history of breaking down late in the season and at this stage he won't get better. I'd like to see them keep Arroyo, he's still young enough to be patient with him. I also like BJ Ryan, he throws hard strikes and gets outs. They should also re-sign Timlin.

[User Name]

well he can't get much worse defensively

 

 

Too true, sadly.

[jimmycarter05]

If Edgar didn't hit well with Ortiz and Manny behind him, I don't know how he'll hit better next year if Manny is traded. If there is no Manny, the first priority is finding protection for Ortiz, GOOD LUCK.

The Sox need a front line starter, Morris and Burnett are the big options, but they both have red flags, Morris has shown a good curve ball this year, but it's suspicious how good a year he's having now in his free agent year. Burnett staying healthy for a season is a concern. Trade Clement, now. Matt has a history of breaking down late in the season and at this stage he won't get better. I'd like to see them keep Arroyo, he's still young enough to be patient with him. I also like BJ Ryan, he throws hard strikes and gets outs. They should also re-sign Timlin.

 

 

agreed fully with you on clement!!!trade him for some young hitters... soriano and huff are a legitimate combo to back up ortiz...maybe if we get mike cameron we can trade him and acquir juan encarnation as a OF...i like damon,rent,ortiz,soriano,huff,tek,juan,nixon,youkilis :thumbsup:

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I don't think Soriano is a 4 hitter at all. In the past 3 years Soriano has had 792 AB's batting 1st, 528 batting 3rd, 544 batting 5th and 37 batting 4th. That's right, 37. Is that because he is a natural in that spot, or does Texas know something we don't? Look at the guy's numbers. You don't want a guy hitting .270 who doesn't get on base hitting 4th.

 

Generally, I don't care what someone writes here, but it feels like the 5th time you've mentioned Soriano batting 4th and I just don't think it makes any sense. I would walk Ortiz all day to get to Soriano.

 

That being said, your lineup of damon, rent, ortiz, soriano, huff, tek, juan, nixon and youkilis is stacked and looks like it would be fun. I would probably switch huff and soriano around though.

 

Let's not write manny out of town though. I want Damon, Rent, Ortiz, Ramirez, Huff, Nixon, Varitek, Graff, Youkilis.

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agreed fully with you on clement!!!trade him for some young hitters... soriano and huff are a legitimate combo to back up ortiz...maybe if we get mike cameron we can trade him and acquir juan encarnation as a OF...i like damon,rent,ortiz,soriano,huff,tek,juan,nixon,youkilis :thumbsup:

why on earth would you trade Cameron and sign Encarnacion to replace him. That is LUDICROUS

[jimmycarter05]

I don't think Soriano is a 4 hitter at all. In the past 3 years Soriano has had 792 AB's batting 1st, 528 batting 3rd, 544 batting 5th and 37 batting 4th. That's right, 37. Is that because he is a natural in that spot, or does Texas know something we don't? Look at the guy's numbers. You don't want a guy hitting .270 who doesn't get on base hitting 4th.

 

Generally, I don't care what someone writes here, but it feels like the 5th time you've mentioned Soriano batting 4th and I just don't think it makes any sense. I would walk Ortiz all day to get to Soriano.

 

That being said, your lineup of damon, rent, ortiz, soriano, huff, tek, juan, nixon and youkilis is stacked and looks like it would be fun. I would probably switch huff and soriano around though.

 

Let's not write manny out of town though. I want Damon, Rent, Ortiz, Ramirez, Huff, Nixon, Varitek, Graff, Youkilis.

 

 

 

my lineup is only if ramirez gets traded

[jimmycarter05]

why on earth would you trade Cameron and sign Encarnacion to replace him. That is LUDICROUS

 

 

whats wrong with it? cameron is a low-BA, high K guy with above average power and speed, Encarnacion batted .287 with 16 homers and 76 RBIs...whats so ludicrous?

[26 to 6]

Cameron is without question a better player than Encarnacion. And its not like you could make a trade, Encarnacion is a free agent. So if you trade Cam away, that would be basically trading Manny for nothing.

 

Cam has pop in his bat despite the K's, and is a gold glove outfielder...IMO Encarnacion doesnt even get to wear Cameron's jockstrap.

[ORS]

Encarnacion is a FA in the offseason. We don't need to trade for him. Just pony up the dough, and he could be ours without a trade.

[jimmycarter05]

hmmm maybe you have a point

yankee fan having a point?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Todd Helton!

[jimmycarter05]

he's already said he's not going to leave the rockies...plus we'd have to give up way too much and pay too much of his salary to get him

[yankeessuck013]

my lineup is only if ramirez gets traded

 

 

I don't see it happening. What would you all, as Red Sox fans, want in compensation for Manny Ramirez?

 

Too strange of a trade, Mets don't have too many ML ready players to trade, so I don't see it happening.

 

The best the sox could get out of a trade for manny is a 3-way with Florida for Delgado, which still isnt much.

[yankeessuck013]

he's already said he's not going to leave the rockies

 

lol

[26 to 6]

hmmm maybe you have a point

yankee fan having a point?

Yea, it does happen sometimes believe it or not

[26 to 6]

I don't see it happening. What would you all, as Red Sox fans, want in compensation for Manny Ramirez?

 

Too strange of a trade, Mets don't have too many ML ready players to trade, so I don't see it happening.

 

The best the sox could get out of a trade for manny is a 3-way with Florida for Delgado, which still isnt much.

If the Mets were able to get Delgado in a deal the last thing they would do is ship him to you guys in a 3-way...Minaya is DETERMINED to get Delgado after being burned by him in the offseason.

[Manny Goes Boom]

agreed fully with you on clement!!!trade him for some young hitters... soriano and huff are a legitimate combo to back up ortiz...maybe if we get mike cameron we can trade him and acquir juan encarnation as a OF...i like damon,rent,ortiz,soriano,huff,tek,juan,nixon,youkilis :thumbsup:

 

OK, dude I don't mind having a stacked team, but that lineup would be expensive. Trading Manny would drop $20 million but that lineup would add (I don't know the numbers) but prob at least $35million. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR LINEUP NOW???? 901 runs is not enough for us? Its pitching, plain and simple. Trading Manny should not be the way to get the pitching we need.

[yankeessuck013]

I'm watchin the padres/cardinals game and the more I watch matt morris the more I want to see him in this starting rotation next year. he has a no hitter through 4 1/3.

[jimmycarter05]

OK, dude I don't mind having a stacked team, but that lineup would be expensive. Trading Manny would drop $20 million but that lineup would add (I don't know the numbers) but prob at least $35million. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR LINEUP NOW???? 901 runs is not enough for us? Its pitching, plain and simple. Trading Manny should not be the way to get the pitching we need.

 

 

look at my last post to you in the manny seeking new agent forum

[yankeessuck013]

OK, dude I don't mind having a stacked team, but that lineup would be expensive. Trading Manny would drop $20 million but that lineup would add (I don't know the numbers) but prob at least $35million. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR LINEUP NOW???? 901 runs is not enough for us? Its pitching, plain and simple. Trading Manny should not be the way to get the pitching we need.

 

yep, They'll be in a cost-cutting mode off-season to avoid the lux tax--and they also may want to get younger.

I think they'll take a hard look at their better minor leaguers--Youkilis, Pedroia and Shoppach may get every opportunity to displace more expensive veterans.

Papelbon will get a shot in the rotation--which has to get younger.

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OK, dude I don't mind having a stacked team, but that lineup would be expensive. Trading Manny would drop $20 million but that lineup would add (I don't know the numbers) but prob at least $35million. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR LINEUP NOW???? 901 runs is not enough for us? Its pitching, plain and simple. Trading Manny should not be the way to get the pitching we need.

 

There is nothing wrong with our lineup. 900 runs IS enough to win 100 games, easily, we just need to have a greater run DIFFERENTIAL which means we need a lot more PITCHING.

[yankeessuck013]

There is nothing wrong with our lineup. 900 runs IS enough to win 100 games, easily, we just need to have a greater run DIFFERENTIAL which means we need a lot more PITCHING.

 

easier typed than done

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VERY true. I think that even a decent starter and a good bullpen pitcher would make all the difference. I'm not sold on Papelbon as a starter next year. I think we should use him wherever he's most needed, not just based on what we HOPE he will be in the future. He will be a starter, but we may need a shut down reliever in the late-middle innings. I imagine BJ Ryan/Papelbon as left/right K guys, Hansen closing (or switch Papelbon and Hansen around). Timlin would SU or be let go of.

[ORS]

VERY true. I think that even a decent starter and a good bullpen pitcher would make all the difference. I'm not sold on Papelbon as a starter next year. I think we should use him wherever he's most needed, not just based on what we HOPE he will be in the future. He will be a starter, but we may need a shut down reliever in the late-middle innings. I imagine BJ Ryan/Papelbon as left/right K guys, Hansen closing (or switch Papelbon and Hansen around). Timlin would SU or be let go of.

Papelbon pitched twice in a 3 game series that we got swept in. He never pitched with the lead. That should tell you that if he has the talent to start, he's more valuable to team starting games, because if the other starters can't get him the ball with a lead, then his effective innings are wasted.

[example1]

Yeah, but part of the difficulty of getting a lead is scoring runs. Papelbon started a few games this year and did admirably, but he wasn't Sandy Koufax. He will be a great starter, I'm just saying that we should use him however he is needed. If we have a lot of starters under contract (as we appear to: given Schilling, Clement, Wells, Wakefield and Arroyo) then Papelbon may need to be the most flexible... especially since we want to use him as often as possible (if given the choice between Papelbon in the pen or, say, Arroyo).