Yankeesrule:

[Sox Fan on Cape]

But the thing is, we still play 3 game vs each other, so it changes a lot of things. Maybe if we didn't play 3 vs each other, I could understand the hardness of that which we need to do, but because we play 3 games vs each other, if the Sox go 10-10, the Yankees could go 10-10, though it'd be very hard to sweep the Sox in Fenway, but the fact that its possable makes it that much better. So even a one or 2 game difference between the two when the Sox play the Yankees in Boston could make a huge difference

With all tthis constant talk of the Yanks trying to catch the Sox, I guess that you've given up on the Wild Card ( which you happen to be one game back of ). BTW, if you're 2 games back going into the last weekend, you still got to sweep. One game back, you got to sweep to win ( 2 out 3 nets a tie ). So you essentially must make up 3 games before that series, to have a winner take the division without a sweep. If have to sweep the Sox at home for the Division title lots of luck.

[Optimist]

 

My sentiments exactly.

[RedRuffing15]

lol, whats wrong with my typing??

[ARod2212]

With all tthis constant talk of the Yanks trying to catch the Sox, I guess that you've given up on the Wild Card ( which you happen to be one game back of ). BTW, if you're 2 games back going into the last weekend, you still got to sweep. One game back, you got to sweep to win ( 2 out 3 nets a tie ). So you essentially must make up 3 games before that series, to have a winner take the division without a sweep. If have to sweep the Sox at home for the Division title lots of luck.

It's not that we've given up on the Wild Card, but hey that's secondary. If we shoot for the division and come up just short, we should still make the playoffs. While we may not be mentioning it, we are keeping an eye on the Guardians, A's and Angels scores.

 

It comes down to what the Yankees and Sox do against the rest of the division. Those last 3 games at Fenway are definitely going to mean something.

[Optimist]

It's not that we've given up on the Wild Card, but hey that's secondary.

 

Exactly. We're not the Houston Astros, we still have a chance at winning the division. Until the Sox take a big lead or we're mathmetically eliminated, my eyes (along with,most likely, the team) are on nothing short of the division.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Ok, I was just wondering.

[Sizzlin22]

If we shoot for the division and come up just short, we should still make the playoffs.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Cleveland is playing good solid baseball. I saw a stat the other day on Sports Center liek 3 out of every 4 teams that goes on a 7 game wining streak in September makes the playoffs, last nights win for Cleveland makes is 7 in a row. The Guardians are a very scary team right now.

[schillingouttheks]

I did some research on this whole division title thingy. You see, if the Sox go into the final series at home 1 game up, and the Yanks win 2 out of 3, it's a tie for the division lead. But, if they do end up taking 2 out of 3, they will have taken the season series as well, and will take the division, because they will have taken 10 of the 19 games of the series. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first tiebreaker head-to-head record? Or do they play an elimination game?

[26 to 6]

If you want to go on believing that the team with the best regular season record is the best team, then I won't try and dissuade you from that notion. I will say this though. I have seen too many teams compile the best record with a little smoke and mirrors, so I prefer to look at the lineups and pitching staffs when I make that decision.

so you are denying that the Cardinals were the best team in baseball last year? Are you denying that Seattle was the best team in baseball in 2001? You're ridiculous, the team with the best record is the best team of that season (as I said, postseason is a different story)

[RedRuffing15]

I just looked, and in 1978(when the Yankees forced a one game playoff vs the Sox), We were 9-7 vs them, but finished with the same record, so I believe its a 1-game playoff as apposed to head to head like the NFL

[ARod2212]

I did some research on this whole division title thingy. You see, if the Sox go into the final series at home 1 game up, and the Yanks win 2 out of 3, it's a tie for the division lead. But, if they do end up taking 2 out of 3, they will have taken the season series as well, and will take the division, because they will have taken 10 of the 19 games of the series. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the first tiebreaker head-to-head record? Or do they play an elimination game?

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4345

 

You guys still would have a shot at it. However, if we were both tied and second place was assured of the WC then the Yanks would be division champs.

[26 to 6]

I think we lived up to those losses our entire lives, and it's all we heard about until last year. I think RSN had to live up to those losses for 86 years. Stop acting like you've ever lived through hard times as a 90's Yankee fan. You haven't even been able to understand baseball for a decade yet ... come back to me when you live through half the heart breaks we have. The earliest you could have possibly understood the game was in '94, so all you've seen is winning teams ... just wait a few years and see how tough you are.

 

I think someone is just very bitter right now.

how do you know the lever to which i follow and understand baseball? The first game I went to was in 1992, and I have pretty much followed the game since then. I see 13 years right there Pirate.

 

And i'll say it again, just because you didnt choke last year doesnt mean that all of your prior chokes go down the toilet.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

so you are denying that the Cardinals were the best team in baseball last year? Are you denying that Seattle was the best team in baseball in 2001? You're ridiculous, the team with the best record is the best team of that season (as I said, postseason is a different story)

Wrong. They might have been the best team in the National League, they had the best record and won the National League pennent. However, that record was compiled against a vast majority of games against NL opponents. When they faced the Red Sox in the World Series they were swept 4-0 and never had the lead. I'm sorry, but the best team ( Red Sox ) won. End of story.

[riverside sluggers]

You guys still would have a shot at it. However, if we were both tied and second place was assured of the WC then the Yanks would be division champs.

 

as indicated in the article you found, only would the yanks become the division champs if they beat the Sox in the 1 game playoff at Yankee Stadium

[riverside sluggers]

exactly the best team in baseball is decided during the late cool October nights

[schillingouttheks]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4345

 

You guys still would have a shot at it. However, if we were both tied and second place was assured of the WC then the Yanks would be division champs.

 

Oooooo, thanks

[ORS]

so you are denying that the Cardinals were the best team in baseball last year? Are you denying that Seattle was the best team in baseball in 2001? You're ridiculous, the team with the best record is the best team of that season (as I said, postseason is a different story)

The postseason is played by the same teams under consideration, so to exclude it from the equation is irrational and naive.

[riverside sluggers]

"one red seat" he just doesnt want to admit it, best team in the end was the red sox

[26 to 6]

"one red seat" he just doesnt want to admit it, best team in the end was the red sox

end the end, the team that won the championship was the Red Sox, and like I have already admitted, the best team in the postseason was the Red Sox. But you guys WERE not the best team last year. A team that plays sub-par .500 baseball for the entire first half is not the best team in baseball no matter what. Like in 2003, nobody with a reasonable amount of intelligence could possibly believe that the Florida Marlins were a better team than the Yankees. Same with 2001, I believe the Yankees were a better team than Arizona, though it is a tough arguement because of Randy and Schilling, but lets not forget that the Yankees had good pitching as well. And i'll even take it a step further, 1996. The Atlanta Braves were a superior team compared to the 1996 Yankees. There is absolutely no denying that. But the best team isnt always guaranteed the championship, and that is what im trying to get across to you guys.

[26 to 6]

Look at it this way. If the Yankees win the World Series, according to what you guys are saying, they would be the best team in baseball this year. I have a real problem calling the Yankees the best team in baseball with this horrible year we have had. So if you guys insist on granting the title of best team in baseball in the year 2004 to the Boston Red Sox, you have to say the Yankees are the best team in baseball in 2005 if they win the World Series.

 

Fair?

[riverside sluggers]

Look at it this way. If the Yankees win the World Series, according to what you guys are saying, they would be the best team in baseball this year. I have a real problem calling the Yankees the best team in baseball with this horrible year we have had. So if you guys insist on granting the title of best team in baseball in the year 2004 to the Boston Red Sox, you have to say the Yankees are the best team in baseball in 2005 if they win the World Series.

 

Fair?

 

yes being fair, even though i dislike the yankees, they would ultimately be the best team of 2005. But as it stands right now Sox have 19 games left with a 3 1/2 game lead

[26 to 6]

yes being fair, even though i dislike the yankees, they would ultimately be the best team of 2005. But as it stands right now Sox have 19 games left with a 3 1/2 game lead

so you're saying that if we win the Series that you will come out and make the absurd statement that the New York Yankees were the best team in baseball in the year 2005??

[riverside sluggers]

wow im trying to be the nice guy here, what the f*** ever dude

[26 to 6]

im just in disbelief, I dont understand how somebody could say a team that hus been this bad is the best in the league, even if they win the series...but whatever. Hopefully we can drop this.

[Sox fan in Tex]

26-6, you can not compare the 2004 Sox during the regular season to the Yankees during the 2005 regular season at all. The 2004 Sox advancing to the World Series after they won the Wild Card was not a surprise to anyone. Our pitching staff and offense was great and everyone knew that. I think this year if the Yanks made the playoffs and advanced further than the ALCS, it would be a major surprise.

[ORS]

Look at it this way. If the Yankees win the World Series, according to what you guys are saying, they would be the best team in baseball this year. I have a real problem calling the Yankees the best team in baseball with this horrible year we have had. So if you guys insist on granting the title of best team in baseball in the year 2004 to the Boston Red Sox, you have to say the Yankees are the best team in baseball in 2005 if they win the World Series.

 

Fair?

No, not fair.

 

If the Sox or Yankees win the WS, I don't think I'd call either the best team in MLB. This year, with their improved pitching staff and still deadly lineup, I'd give that honor to the Cardinals.

 

Last year the Sox had a better rotation than the Cardinals and a better offense. Boston's BP was good too, maybe not as good as the Cardinals, but 2 out of 3 tips the bill in their favor in my opinion.

 

Take away one bad month (May) at the begining of the season (which leaves you plenty of time to recover), and the Sox would have competed with St. Louis for the best record.

 

I have never once said that the Series winner is the best team in baseball, just that last year's Series winner was. Usually, I will admit that the team with the best record is the best team. But for me to do so, I have to look at all the variables. Starting rotation, offensive lineup, runs scored, OPS, Bullpen. If a team is close in wins to the team with the best record, then those variables come into play (especially if those teams meet in the Series and one team sweeps the other).

[26 to 6]

No, not fair.

 

If the Sox or Yankees win the WS, I don't think I'd call either the best team in MLB. This year, with their improved pitching staff and still deadly lineup, I'd give that honor to the Cardinals.

 

Last year the Sox had a better rotation than the Cardinals and a better offense. Boston's BP was good too, maybe not as good as the Cardinals, but 2 out of 3 tips the bill in their favor in my opinion.

 

Take away one bad month (May) at the begining of the season (which leaves you plenty of time to recover), and the Sox would have competed with St. Louis for the best record.

 

I have never once said that the Series winner is the best team in baseball, just that last year's Series winner was. Usually, I will admit that the team with the best record is the best team. But for me to do so, I have to look at all the variables. Starting rotation, offensive lineup, runs scored, OPS, Bullpen. If a team is close in wins to the team with the best record, then those variables come into play (especially if those teams meet in the Series and one team sweeps the other).

You're proving my point exactly (the same point ive been trying to make for about 3 pages now), that the best team in baseball doesnt always necessarily win the World Series. The Red Sox were a .500 club for half of the season last year. They didnt even win their division. To me, a team that plays decent ball for a significant part of the season and doesnt even win their division cant be the best team in baseball. But what you guys were argueing for the entire thread is that becase the Sox won the World Series, that they were the best team in the league. Now right here I proposed that if the Yankees win the Series this year that you declare them the best team in the league (just as you did with Boston last year), and you declined. Which I cant blame you, myself being a Yankee fan, it would be ludicrous for anybody to say that they are the best team in the league for the year 2005.

 

So like i've been saying all thread, the Red Sox were not the best team in baseball in the year 2004, however they were the best team in baseball in the postseason

 

And isnt it funny that I was argueing that the Cardinals were the best team in baseball last year, btu all of you said that its not fair to say that because they didnt play AL teams (except for the short interleague season of coarse) and you cant compare, then you come and say right now that the Cardinals are the best team this year.

 

 

So for the last time, i am not trying to take anything away from the Boston Red Sox and their 2004 Championship, all I am doing is saying that they were not the best team in baseball last year. And because you said that you wouldnt declare the Yankees the best team in baseball for 2005 if they won the World Series, you must agree with me that the team that wins the World Series isnt necessarily the best team in baseball (The 2004 Boston Red Sox).

[26 to 6]

26-6, you can not compare the 2004 Sox during the regular season to the Yankees during the 2005 regular season at all. The 2004 Sox advancing to the World Series after they won the Wild Card was not a surprise to anyone. Our pitching staff and offense was great and everyone knew that. I think this year if the Yanks made the playoffs and advanced further than the ALCS, it would be a major surprise.

I wasnt trying to compare the two teams, I was simply trying to make my point that the best team in baseball doesnt always win the World Series, like you guys claimed was the case last year with the Sox.

[ARod2212]

Unfortunately, nobody cares who the 'best team in baseball' was for the regular season. Success is defined by Championships. The 2000 Yankees (mediocre regular season) will always be known as champions, and the 2001 Mariners will be forgotten.

[26 to 6]

Unfortunately, nobody cares who the 'best team in baseball' was for the regular season. Success is defined by Championships. The 2000 Yankees (mediocre regular season) will always be known as champions, and the 2001 Mariners will be forgotten.

That is absolutely correct, but somebody claimed that the Red Sox were the best team in baseball last year and I had to argue it.I am not trying to diminish their title in any way, shape, or form.