Red Sox are KING of the Jungle

[CrespoBlows]

Ha, this is funny.

 

No team is the king of the jungle, no team is a minor deity. The Red Sox are a good team, but they have pitching questions, the Yankees can be a good team, but they have to pray Randy Johnson is dominant the rest of the way. The best team in the league are the A's, (right now).

[CrespoBlows]

It cost the Yankees nothing to get Embree so there is no down side. Worst case he pitches poorly and we release him, best case he comes in the seventh and buzzes Ortiz then strikes him out with a 95 MPH fastball and Boston fans scream about letting him go and getting nothing back.

 

 

 

 

That Yankee team wasn't playing like this one. The Sox easily could have lost 2 of 3 there and you guys have had a hard time with the D-rays for years.

 

Embree vs Ortiz? I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

 

As for "could have lost", the Yankees could have and should have been swept by the Angels, but could of, should of, would of. The point is the Red Sox won 2 out of 3 vs the D-Rays, and the Yankees did so against the Angels. While it's nice to ponder, what if this happened instead, it's pointless.

[soxie thefangirl]

The only reason the Yankees won is because the Angels' bullpen self-imploded all of a sudden. Not to mention OCab's error.

[MANNYHOF24]

The yankees have too many holes in their pitching staff, i mean they signed Nomo, that must mean they are incredibly desperate, also other than Rivera who has been consistant in their bullpen. The sox have a better Rotation, will have a better bullpen when Foulke comes back, and they have a more consistant lineup.

[MANNYHOF24]

When push comes to shove, the A's lineup wont be able to get it done. Their is just not enough pop in their lineup, i do agree that they are a good team, but their lineup could easily be shut down come post season time

[BronxBomber61]

why would he be able to buzz a fastball by DO, when he couldnt buzz a fastball by anyone else in the game.

 

But it is true he does fit in to the staff as it looks now quite nicely.

 

Pitching:

S. Henn: 11.12 ERA

R. Johnson: 4.11 ERA

K. Brown: 6.50 ERA

J. Wright: 9.15 ERA

C. Pavano: 4.77 ERA

A. Embree: 7.82 ERA

 

Mariano Rivera: 0.97 ERA

 

Keith Foulke: 6.23 ERA

 

Curt Schilling: 6.23 ERA

[riverside sluggers]

Note when Schilling came back in July his ERA from 3 games in April was at 8.44, but has since dropped it down to 6.23 and has recorded 5 saves in 6 opportunities. And ahem his ERA for July has been now at 1.65

[soxie thefangirl]

That's 'cause they struggled. Injuries etc. I'm not denying Mo is amazing. But the rest of the pen is not. Unless Mo can pitch entire games now, quit relying on the guy as if he's God. And I do recall him having the amazing ability of blowing saves, particularly when it comes to the Sox.

[sarasoxfan]

soxie you have an amzing library of pitcures.

 

i dont feel much like yankee bashing today, I hate them too much to even bother.

 

king of the jungle not yet, but this is going to be typical foot race to the finish line.

 

The yankees are more vulnerable than usual so we have a good chance of finishing first (that sounded pretty objective for me anyway).

Mo is amazing, but when you have a bullpen with alan and starting roation du jour inclduing the not be to confused with cy young hideo nomo, I think it is hard to imagine doing much betterdown the stretch.

Oh okay. the yankees suck.

[yeszir]

Mariano Rivera: 0.97 ERA

 

Keith Foulke: 6.23 ERA

 

Curt Schilling: 6.23 ERA

Your closer only helps when your starting pitching gives your team the chance to win.

[sarasoxfan]

nomo vs. schilling

LOL

[BronxBomber61]

New York Yankees: 4.66 Team ERA

 

Boston Red Sox: 4.71 Team ERA

 

And that's with 4 starting pitchers on DL

[CrespoBlows]

New York Yankees: 4.66 Team ERA

 

Boston Red Sox: 4.71 Team ERA

 

And that's with 4 starting pitchers on DL

 

This is where stats are irrevelant

 

1. Schilling vs Johnson EDGE Johnson

 

2. Wells vs Mussina EDGE Wells

 

3. Clement vs Pavano EDGE Clement

 

4. Arroyo vs Brown? EDGE Arroyo

 

5. Wakefield vs Wright? EDGE Wakefield

 

Closer

 

Foulke vs Rivera EDGE Mo

 

Timlin vs Gordon EDGE Timlin

 

Myers vs Embree EDGE Myers

 

Delcarmen vs Sturtze EDGE Delcarmen

 

Bradford vs ??? EDGE Bradford

[ORS]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You mention that your team ERA is lower than ours despite injuries.......while you compare Foulke and Schilling's ERA's to Mo's. Schilling and Foulke gave up a large portion of their ER's while hurt. Both teams have had to overcome key pitching staff injuries, and while stats can tell a story, only one number matters, and it's 2.5.

[CrespoBlows]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You mention that your team ERA is lower than ours despite injuries.......while you compare Foulke and Schilling's ERA's to Mo's. Schilling and Foulke gave up a large portion of their ER's while hurt. Both teams have had to overcome key pitching staff injuries, and while stats can tell a story, only one number matters, and it's 2.5.

 

Owned.

[riverside sluggers]

Want to talk about stats, huh? ok

 

Haha thats very funning considering those stats are taking all pitchers who appeared this season. In all actuality the current 12 man pitching staff of Matt Clement (4.43), David Wells (4.45), Bronson Arroyo (4.22), Tim Wakefield (4.19), Wade Miller (4.57), Jeremi Gonzalez (5.34), Mike Timlin (1.38), Mike Myers (3.04), Chad Bradford (3.60), Manny Delcarmen (0.00), Jon Paplebon (3.38), and Curt Schilling (6.23) makes their staff having an avg ERA of 3.74

 

Meanwhile, the 12 man pitching staff of the Yankees pale big in comparison with Shawn Chacon (0.00), Alan Embree (27.00), Wayne Franklin (9.64), Tom Gordon (3.08), Randy Johnson (4.11), Al Leiter (4.15), Mike Mussina (3.80), Scott Proctor (5.63), Mariano Rivera (0.97), Felix Rodriguez (4.41), Aaron Small (4.05), and Tanyon Sturtze (4.13)

 

And that pitching staff's ERA would be, drum roll please........ 5.91

[Irish Jay]

Irish Jay, some newspaper must sign you to write articles

 

Thank you Papi!

 

It just amazes Irish Jay how Yankees fans get so testy about their team when one merely points out the obvious. Jason Giambi surely needs to be tested for steroid use again as once again he is hitting the ball well. Maybe he was borrowing flaxall cream from Mr roid rage himself Gary Sheffield.

[BronxBomber61]

This is where stats are irrevelant

 

1. Schilling vs Johnson EDGE Johnson

 

2. Wells vs Mussina EDGE Wells

 

3. Clement vs Pavano EDGE Clement

 

4. Arroyo vs Brown? EDGE Arroyo

 

5. Wakefield vs Wright? EDGE Wakefield

 

Closer

 

Foulke vs Rivera EDGE Mo

 

Timlin vs Gordon EDGE Timlin

 

Myers vs Embree EDGE Myers

 

Delcarmen vs Sturtze EDGE Delcarmen

 

Bradford vs ??? EDGE Bradford

 

 

(2. Wells vs Mussina EDGE Wells) Please........get real.

 

 

Bullpen

(Timlin vs Gordon EDGE Timlin)That's a toss up, both get too much work and both have not been great recently

 

(Delcarmen vs Sturtze EDGE Delcarmen) Who? You base that on the vast amount of big league experience he has.

 

You try to make a point about the starters when Wright and Brown won't even be in the rotation. And you shouldn't even bring up the bullpen if you're a RS fan. RS are 2nd to the bottom only slightly ahead of Tampa Bay.

[riverside sluggers]

And you shouldn't even bring up the bullpen if you're a RS fan. RS are 2nd to the bottom only slightly ahead of Tampa Bay.

 

the bullpen has been doing really good for past several weeks, it has upgraded from the beginning of the season. now dude the current relievers for the Sox are Delcarmen (0.00), Timlin (1.38), Myers (3.04), Bradford (3.60), Gonzalez (5.34) and Schilling (6.23)---which makes the bullpen's ERA average at 3.27

 

yanks current bullpen roster's average ERA is at 7.83

[BronxBomber61]

Want to talk about stats, huh? ok

 

Haha thats very funning considering those stats are taking all pitchers who appeared this season. In all actuality the current 12 man pitching staff of Matt Clement (4.43), David Wells (4.45), Bronson Arroyo (4.22), Tim Wakefield (4.19), Wade Miller (4.57), Jeremi Gonzalez (5.34), Mike Timlin (1.38), Mike Myers (3.04), Chad Bradford (3.60), Manny Delcarmen (0.00), Jon Paplebon (3.38), and Curt Schilling (6.23) makes their staff having an avg ERA of 3.74

 

Meanwhile, the 12 man pitching staff of the Yankees pale big in comparison with Shawn Chacon (0.00), Alan Embree (27.00), Wayne Franklin (9.64), Tom Gordon (3.08), Randy Johnson (4.11), Al Leiter (4.15), Mike Mussina (3.80), Scott Proctor (5.63), Mariano Rivera (0.97), Felix Rodriguez (4.41), Aaron Small (4.05), and Tanyon Sturtze (4.13)

 

And that pitching staff's ERA would be, drum roll please........ 5.91

 

I thought you RS fans were a bunch of stat heads. You don’t get a ERA by taking the ERA from select pitchers and averaging them out, unless you want to inaccurately sway the stats in your favor.

[riverside sluggers]

You don’t get a ERA by taking the ERA from select pitchers

 

dude please this is the current staff's ERA plain and simple, not f***ing trying to sway towards Red Sox being better

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

(2. Wells vs Mussina EDGE Wells) Please........get real.

 

 

Bullpen

(Timlin vs Gordon EDGE Timlin)That's a toss up, both get too much work and both have not been great recently

 

(Delcarmen vs Sturtze EDGE Delcarmen) Who? You base that on the vast amount of big league experience he has.

 

You try to make a point about the starters when Wright and Brown won't even be in the rotation. And you shouldn't even bring up the bullpen if you're a RS fan. RS are 2nd to the bottom only slightly ahead of Tampa Bay.

 

This is all wrong to begin with:

 

Starting Rotation: edge Red Sox

-Wells is heating up for the run to October. I've seen enough of Johnson this year to know Schilling is better in the big game when he is fully back in the rotation. The real Wade Miller is about to stand up. A healthy Pavano and Wright are still not very good. Matt Clement vs. Mussina is a battle to see who can last the longest before the opposing team starts to kill them (Yanks and Red Sox eventually get to them). Wakefield is the man, Brown is a chump. No need to mention Leiter, Chacon, Nomo, Small.....

 

Bullpen: edge Red Sox

Mo is awesome but a healthy Foulke can get saves as well. Timlin is better than Gordon...numbers dont lie. Mike Myers is our lefty...who is yours?? Alan Embree?? case closed.

 

Batting: edge Red Sox (this is the fun part)

Red Sox (hits:1015 / runs:570 / AVG:.281 / OBP:.358)

Yankees (hits:986 / runs:567 / AVG:.276 / OBP:.355)

 

Fielding: edge Red Sox

who's playing CF?

Varitek or Posada?

Red Sox: 63 errors

Yankees: 64 errors

[BronxBomber61]

dude please this is the current staff's ERA plain and simple, not f***ing trying to sway towards Red Sox being better

 

Dude, everyone you mention has an ERA under 4.50 except Proctor, Franklin and Embree. Those 3 pitched a total of 21 innings; the rest pitched over 600 innings. You don’t average them out all the same.

 

What you did was take all the current pitchers and added their ERA together then divide it by the number of pitchers. That is not the ERA for all those pitchers.

 

I don’t want to take the time to do the math exactly but if you take out the ERA of the pitchers that our not currently pitching the team ERA goes down.

 

Your method of getting the ERA is ridiculous and I can’t explain it any simpler. I’m sure some other Sox fans on here understand that. Maybe if you hear it from them you’ll believe it.

[TalkYank]

We don't like to do the Yankees favors, but sure, we'll sweep the A's for you.

 

Shoot.. You'll have to sweep the Angels too..

 

I know, I'm so demanding...

[schillingouttheks]

(2. Wells vs Mussina EDGE Wells) Please........get real.

 

 

Bullpen

(Timlin vs Gordon EDGE Timlin)That's a toss up, both get too much work and both have not been great recently

 

(Delcarmen vs Sturtze EDGE Delcarmen) Who? You base that on the vast amount of big league experience he has.

The only case I see that you have here is Delcarmen and Sturtze. Watching this Twins game, Delcarmen is sucking it up. Timlin...should have been an all-star. The Sox always get to Gordon. Mussina...that is a toss up, and it's not as easy as you say it is. Look how both pitchers have been pitching recently. Mussina with that DISASTROUS game against the Guardians, and Wells has been on a roll ever since he found out who he was (a couple starts after that disastrous A's game). And also, Crespo, the way that Johnson has been pitching recently, Schilling > Johnson, although I can't base that seriously. Will need to see more of Schill's starts when he gets back into the rotation.

[stevece80]

Comparing positional by position is ridiculous. The Red Sox are a better team, no breakdown needed.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

The only case I see that you have here is Delcarmen and Sturtze. Watching this Twins game, Delcarmen is sucking it up. Timlin...should have been an all-star. The Sox always get to Gordon. Mussina...that is a toss up, and it's not as easy as you say it is. Look how both pitchers have been pitching recently. Mussina with that DISASTROUS game against the Guardians, and Wells has been on a roll ever since he found out who he was (a couple starts after that disastrous A's game). And also, Crespo, the way that Johnson has been pitching recently, Schilling > Johnson, although I can't base that seriously. Will need to see more of Schill's starts when he gets back into the rotation.

You're correct with the exception of Schilling , we still haven't seen him start, yet. I think the Yanks will be lucky to see post season play.

[schillingouttheks]

Well, that's why I said I can't base it seriously. I made that assuming Schill would pitch in a starting role like he has in a closer's role, which would make him better than RJ.

[riverside sluggers]

sox should try putting him in more, like the 7th inning and on to the last out, help stretch him out some back to long starts theyre hoping from him

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah I've been thinking like that as well. If Schilling is ever gunna want to go deep into games as a starter, we are going to have to get him pitching more innings, and increase his pitching length by a few innings at a steady pace.

 

It's kinda like that theory with the frog and the boiling water. If you throw him into the boiling water right away, he'll jump out. But if you slowly boil the water, the frog will stay in to that temperature comfortably.