Giambi's Mysterious Power Surge

[MC Hammer]

You're a biased moron, you hate Giambi because you have some sort of vendetta against him. You know nothing about baseball econmics, or anything about Giambi. Quit responding, trying to save your already dead arguement.

Right because I'm the one giving credibility to a guy who cheated, and lied for who knows how many years. Look you have you're opinion and I have mine. I really hope that we're both old enough to have a heated arguement without resorting to calling each other names. Although, you can call me a moron all you want but thats not going to make me agree with you, or stop believing what I believe. Maybe you want to be nieve and pretend that steroids aren't still being used in MLB, but I don't.

 

BTW what do baseball economics have anything to do with Giambi using steroids? Do you even know the definition of the word economics?

[YankeeDoodle]

haha what do you mean flaherty hit "another" HR This was really his first hoemrun of the season, i can see that with his paltry .150 batting average, come back to me if this is his first of 14 HRs for august

Is it that you guys don't read my entire post, or don't get my sarcasm, or something, because y'all get on me for things that's clearly self-explanatory in my original. I did quote-unquote the "another" part, so yeah, I was totally joking there, and I also mentioned his HR total of the season: one, that one, obviously. But well...ok, get it now? I know you guys want to pick on a Yankee fan, but just make sure I didn't already cover it before you do.

 

Nooooooo...*gasp* You don't think Flaherty took some "Giambi pointers"?

 

Yeah, right. If he hit 14 HRs in August, I think I just might see a "Flaherty's Mysterious Power Surge" thread. And I got nothin' on dat.

 

What's the bar set at Womack's HRs? Inside the park...maybe uno. Outside? Nada? :dunno:

 

Edit: riverside sluggers, yeah, just uhh, testing the waters there. It's ok to keep jabbing.

[riverside sluggers]

dude i did know well you were joking thats why i added my own

[yankeessuck013]

16 homers since July 1st?!!?!? Come on, he couldn't hit a beach ball before that...

 

Giambi could be taking HGH, which is not tested by Major League Baseball. Or he could be taking another steroid that is currently undetectable by the tests.

 

yankee fans always saying "giambi wouldn't take them again, hes not that dumb", giambi looks and acts dumber than a bunch of rocks.

[yankeessuck013]

its unfortunate that MLB controlls the testing, and not an independant organization, becuase if giambi was properly tested right now he would definetly fail.

 

Thats not in MLBs best interests however. Note how they waited to release palmeros roiding till after he had his 3000th hit and after baltimore had fallen out of the race.

 

giambi's hat size has doubled in the past month!!!

[bobby jr]

I think the mistake Giambi has made, assuming that he is back on something, is making it so obvious that MLB will be forced to do something. Come on the guy looks a totally different hitter than in April and May. Most fans are not buying it, even on the Yankee forum there are constant arguments on whether or not he is back on something.

 

If he is back on HGH or some type of steroid, he should have not suddenly gone on this record setting pace, putting himself in the spotlight. Makes me wonder how bright he is.

[CrespoBlows]

Right because I'm the one giving credibility to a guy who cheated, and lied for who knows how many years. Look you have you're opinion and I have mine. I really hope that we're both old enough to have a heated arguement without resorting to calling each other names. Although, you can call me a moron all you want but thats not going to make me agree with you, or stop believing what I believe. Maybe you want to be nieve and pretend that steroids aren't still being used in MLB, but I don't.

 

BTW what do baseball economics have anything to do with Giambi using steroids? Do you even know the definition of the word economics?

 

I'm calling you a moron, because you think Giambi is dumb enough to risk his life again. Hey, why don't I jump off a roof, and get paid thousands doing it, and nearly die! I really want to try that again, don't I?! (That's your logic)

 

You mentioned Giambi looking for a big contract again. Yeah, a lot of teams give big contracts to 35+ players, don't they?

[26 to 6]

i dont think he needs another big contract with all the money hes getting from us

[BrentD22]

Human Growth Hormone

 

CRACK

 

COKE

 

DEAL WITH DEVIL

 

ITS GOTTA BE SUMTHIN

[26 to 6]

HGH is a possibility

 

...but i hope not

[CrespoBlows]

Human Growth Hormone

 

CRACK

 

COKE

 

DEAL WITH DEVIL

 

ITS GOTTA BE SUMTHIN

 

I'll bet "Deal with Devil".

[yankeessuck013]

If he hit 14 HRs in August, I think I just might see a "Flaherty's Mysterious Power Surge" thread.

 

no doubt you would see a thread on that especially since flaherty only cathces once every five games.

[yankeessuck013]

I'll bet "Deal with Devil".

 

yeah I think he sold his soul to satan too (aka georgie steinbrenner)

[YankeeDoodle]

Except it's a deal in which the player hardly pays up...

 

I've heard stuff that Flaherty might catch more than just RJ, to rest Posada, whose BA lately has been just as horrendous. Actually, it's more like some Yankee fan cries to bench Posada. Not sure if Flaherty calls a better game than Posada; defense is shakier (?? considering Posada's...), but it seems like the Yankees score more when he plays, and if they do that, taking out Posada's "bat" (harhar) might not be that big of a loss.

 

He's pretty much an automatic out at this point.

 

Anyways, back to Giambi. He takes blood tests to monitor his overall health. Taking any sort of steroids, HGH, something that would be potent enough to affect his performance, would almost certainly affect his body, and it would in all likelihood trigger some alarm on his tests, which MLB has access to, and the doctors would probably run additional tests to get to the bottom of it, and so it's hard to fathom that Giambi would not be caught if went down that road again.

[CrespoBlows]

Anyways, back to Giambi. He takes blood tests to monitor his overall health. Taking any sort of steroids, HGH, something that would be potent enough to affect his performance, would almost certainly affect his body, and it would in all likelihood trigger some alarm on his tests, which MLB has access to, and the doctors would probably run additional tests to get to the bottom of it, and so it's hard to fathom that Giambi would not be caught if went down that road again.

 

Thank you! MC Hammer, that basically means that's game, set, and match.

[See Red]

Anyways, back to Giambi. He takes blood tests to monitor his overall health. Taking any sort of steroids, HGH, something that would be potent enough to affect his performance, would almost certainly affect his body, and it would in all likelihood trigger some alarm on his tests, which MLB has access to, and the doctors would probably run additional tests to get to the bottom of it, and so it's hard to fathom that Giambi would not be caught if went down that road again.

 

But wouldn't the players union have something to say about that?

[YankeeDoodle]

Say about what? You're going to tell me that MLBPA is going to prevent the doctors for screening for something that is damaging and deterioating Giambi's health?

 

What I was trying to say, was that first off, doctors would only know that something is wrong, but not the exact cause. In such hypothetical situation, it's better to be safe than sorry, so they'd run a bunch of tests. It could be anything. And if it turned up positive for steroids - there you go.

 

Edit: Well maybe the SF Chronicle would leak some the results or something - in fact, didn't someone inside the MLB testing labs comment on Palmeiro's results? So perhaps someone who has access to Giambi's results (again, this is hypothetical), leak his results.

 

And if that happened, he would be convicted (again) in the court of public opinion. That may be worse than any type of suspension, especially if Giambi's the type of players who cares about public perception

[See Red]

No, I'm saying the Players Union would object to the MLB using that to suspend him or even make it public because it's not part of the testing policy. If that was the case, and they did find him using HGH through those tests... we would probably never know about it. Not for a while, anyway.

[MC Hammer]

I'm calling you a moron, because you think Giambi is dumb enough to risk his life again. Hey, why don't I jump off a roof, and get paid thousands doing it, and nearly die! I really want to try that again, don't I?! (That's your logic)

 

You mentioned Giambi looking for a big contract again. Yeah, a lot of teams give big contracts to 35+ players, don't they?

He jumped off the roof the first time.

 

You still haven't answered my question. Do you know the definition of the word economics? Because your use of it was way, way, way, way, way off.

 

As far as him having blood tests, those are for his health. No MLB cannot do anything even if HGH if found in his blood because the tests were not taken to see if he was on those drugs. There is a doctor patient priviledge and MLB cannot get around that. They can monitor all they want but they cannot use the results against Giambi. Ask a lawyer ... I did.

[YankeeDoodle]

I was just saying that if Giambi's test results were leaked, that if they ever found reason to test him for steroids/HGH (such as personal health concerns), then even if MLB couldn't punish him, the public outcry might just do him in by itself. Giambi is not Bonds. He cares about what the fans think about him. And that's a "chink" in that armor, if you will.

 

Why, Bud Selig has been laying low on the steroids front...has he even commented on the Palmeiro story yet? Pssh.

[bobby jr]

OK here is what I think happened. Of course this is just my opinion, there is no proof at this time that Giambi is back on the juice.

 

 

Giambi in April and May. No more cheering crowds at Yankee stadium, but instead jeers, boos and ridicule. Talk of the Yankees getting out of his contract. Talk of sending him down to the minor leagues.

 

So most likely he decided to go back to what worked before. His whole life was going down the tubes, he would be ridiculed as someone who was a bum without his steroids. He saw that he must take the chance and go back on something, anything would be better than what he was going through.

 

Steroids are psychologically addicting. Considering Giambi's situation, they would be even more so.

 

 

So he goes back on steroids, very likely a designer steroid one that cannot be detected. He has millions, he can afford the best. Or perhaps HGH, which MLB does not test for. There are all kind of possibilities.

 

What strains credibility is to think that this man could suddenly regain the steroid induced HR power he had three years ago at the age of 34 WITHOUT TAKING STEROIDS (or HGH). It has been well established how much steroids help, and Giambi simply could not give that up.

 

In a way I don't blame him, many would have taken the same route, if what I suspect has happened has indeed happened. He is human and we all fail.

 

But to let him get away with it again, to let him lead the Yankees into the playoffs or even to the World Series after he has returned to steroids, that would turn MLB into a joke.

[MC Hammer]

What strains credibility is to think that this man could suddenly regain the steroid induced HR power he had three years ago at the age of 34 WITHOUT TAKING STEROIDS (or HGH). It has been well established how much steroids help, and Giambi simply could not give that up.

It's not just that he regained his power at 34, it's that he regained his power mid season. Like I said before you can ask any player in any sport ... Day 1 of the season is the strongest and most healthy you are going to be for the entire season. The second you step on the field your ability starts the diminish. Players may get hotter in the latter months, but they certainly do not add power as the season goes on.

[bobby jr]

Except it's a deal in which the player hardly pays up...

 

I've heard stuff that Flaherty might catch more than just RJ, to rest Posada, whose BA lately has been just as horrendous. Actually, it's more like some Yankee fan cries to bench Posada. Not sure if Flaherty calls a better game than Posada; defense is shakier (?? considering Posada's...), but it seems like the Yankees score more when he plays, and if they do that, taking out Posada's "bat" (harhar) might not be that big of a loss.

 

He's pretty much an automatic out at this point.

 

Anyways, back to Giambi. He takes blood tests to monitor his overall health. Taking any sort of steroids, HGH, something that would be potent enough to affect his performance, would almost certainly affect his body, and it would in all likelihood trigger some alarm on his tests, which MLB has access to, and the doctors would probably run additional tests to get to the bottom of it, and so it's hard to fathom that Giambi would not be caught if went down that road again.

 

First of all I have my doubts that MLB has access to Giambi's confidental medical records such as blood tests related to his tumor. All players are treated the same until the first offense and technically GIambi has not been caught .

 

Secondly from what I have read the blood would have to be specifically tested for steroids or HGH. There would be no "alarms" simply because Giambi was taking steroids, unless the blood was tested for steroids.

 

Finally even if the doctors knew Giambi was back on steroids they would not tell MLB and compromise their professional standards like that.

 

Remember Giambi testified before the Grand Jury that he was on steroids then he went out and assured the press that he would never take steroids. Then his grand jury testimony was leaked and he was exposed as having lied and cheated. He has shown that he will try to hide his steroid use from the public.

[bobby jr]

It's not just that he regained his power at 34, it's that he regained his power mid season. Like I said before you can ask any player in any sport ... Day 1 of the season is the strongest and most healthy you are going to be for the entire season. The second you step on the field your ability starts the diminish. Players may get hotter in the latter months, but they certainly do not add power as the season goes on.

 

That's true I should have said in the mid season.

[CrespoBlows]

He jumped off the roof the first time.

 

You still haven't answered my question. Do you know the definition of the word economics? Because your use of it was way, way, way, way, way off.

 

As far as him having blood tests, those are for his health. No MLB cannot do anything even if HGH if found in his blood because the tests were not taken to see if he was on those drugs. There is a doctor patient priviledge and MLB cannot get around that. They can monitor all they want but they cannot use the results against Giambi. Ask a lawyer ... I did.

 

Economics is a branch of social science that deals with the consumption, distribution, and production of goods (Webster), Adam Smith theorized the Wealth of Nations which theorized modern day economics.

 

There's a big difference between economics in which we use it, and the way baseball uses it. Hammer, I will make my points with more civility from now on.

 

Continuing, I guess you could say that in baseball, it would not make much of an economical sense for a baseball team to give Jason Giambi who will be 37 when is contract expires in three years. I can't find a precedence in which a ball player gets a big contract at such a late age.

 

As for leaping off the roof theory, if he did it the first time, what makes you believe he'd do it again. I can imagine after Giambi was diagonsed with a tumor, and was told by doctors, that this may be life threating, and you may put yourself at an even greater risk if you are to put any more steriods into your body. Just imagine hearing that, and you're single. But Giambi has a wife, and she hears that, do you think Giambi is going to want to put her through that? Sure, some ball players are arrogant, pompous *******s like Barry Bonds, but Giambi isn't that kind of guy. He wants everyone to like him, he was the clubhouse leader in Oakland, I seriously doubt he'd put the people he cares about in that kind of position again.

 

You can say all you want the Giambi is on steriods, and after he went on that HR binge, don't you think Bud Selig raised an eyebrow? That's probably why Giambi has been tested, at least once.

[redsox4life]

Giambi hacks.

[CrespoBlows]

Giambi hacks.

 

Anyone who speaks dumbass, and wants to translate this me, that would be great?

[YankeeDoodle]

Lumber? :dunno: Hacking away at the ball? Unless it's used as a noun, as in "Giambi is a hack", but I don't think it's used like that in this context.

 

CB, must you be so hard on the posters?

[CrespoBlows]

Lumber? :dunno: Hacking away at the ball? Unless it's used as a noun, as in "Giambi is a hack", but I don't think it's used like that in this context.

 

CB, must you be so hard on the posters?

 

Yup, if someone is going to be emotionally depressed because of what someone says on a public website, then it's just a matter of time before they commit suicide over a snide comment, or a detention.

[YankeeDoodle]

Giambi, I hope that you're not reading this thread... And if you are, go work on your fielding skills with Mattingly or Martinez.

 

Oh, but according to some of you, Giambi jumped off the roof the first time, Hammer? AND SURVIVED. Hmm. Very interesting.