Varitek Talk

sarasoxfan · December 20, 2004

we havent talked about Varitek in awhile, and I read today that he refused arbitration.

So basically I gather that means we have too sign him by Jan 8th.

Do you think we will?

I think after the yankees have completely revamped their pitching staff and while we have made some moves I think we have more to make

I bet they will sign Varitek, but that's just a vibe.

As far as bellhorn, pokey, minky, and roberts go I am not any of them will be back...maybe bellhorn..

I dont know I am so firggin confused.

elsrbueno · December 20, 2004

I don't claim to understand the entire arbritration process, but here's how I THINK it works (how it applies to Varitek):

1. The team offers arbritration

Varitek had 2 choices at this point:

a. Accept arbritration. If this happens, he rejoins the Red Sox for 1 year. His salary is determined by a third party after he and the Red Sox submit dollar figures. USUALLY, it's somewhere in between those two numbers.

b. Decline arbritration. If this happens, there is no arbritration process, meaning the Red Sox HAVE to sign him by January 8th OR lose all rights to sign him until May 1st, which essentially means he's going elsewhere.

If the team offers arbritration and the player signs elsewhere, the team gets some sort of compensation (usually draft picks) from the signing team. The level of compensation depends on the quality of the player.

If the team doesn't offer arbritration, there is no compensation offered in the event that the player signs elsewhere.

The Red Sox offered arbitration to all the big names (Orlando, Pedro, Lowe, Varitek), but none of them accepted.

My question is this: How does that compensation system work?

BoSox Rule · December 20, 2004

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Dec 20 2004, 01:05 PM
I don't claim to understand the entire arbritration process, but here's how I THINK it works (how it applies to Varitek):

1. The team offers arbritration
Varitek had 2 choices at this point:
a. Accept arbritration. If this happens, he rejoins the Red Sox for 1 year. His salary is determined by a third party after he and the Red Sox submit dollar figures. USUALLY, it's somewhere in between those two numbers.

b. Decline arbritration. If this happens, there is no arbritration process, meaning the Red Sox HAVE to sign him by January 8th OR lose all rights to sign him until May 1st, which essentially means he's going elsewhere.

If the team offers arbritration and the player signs elsewhere, the team gets some sort of compensation (usually draft picks) from the signing team. The level of compensation depends on the quality of the player.

If the team doesn't offer arbritration, there is no compensation offered in the event that the player signs elsewhere.

The Red Sox offered arbitration to all the big names (Orlando, Pedro, Lowe, Varitek), but none of them accepted.

My question is this: How does that compensation system work?

We have to wait for the Elias Spors Bureau to come out with A/B/C list to determine that.

But here's the thing about Varitek's no-trade clause. Why not just give it to him, if it will persuade him to stay? I mean, I doubt we will try to trade him next year, and then in 2006 he is a 10/5 guy. A no-trade for Manny would kick in, but he's a 10/5 guy this year. A no-trade for Nixon would kick in, but he's a 10/5 guy at the same time as Varitek.

sarasoxfan · December 20, 2004

as much as I am the on who was confused thanks to els and now to you Bosox I think I understand more about whats going on.

Off the top of ymy head I would bet that the real sticking point about the no-trade clause isnt so much that they wont trade Tek, it's a precedent thing.

I heard that the no trade clause stipulation is a matter of team policy, and I suppose (operative word being suppose) if they are forced into giving it to Tek, it will merely open the door for other agents to use against them in future talks.

Just a guess.

RedSoxRooter · December 20, 2004

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 20 2004, 02:13 PM
A no-trade for Manny would kick in, but he's a 10/5 guy this year.

Holy crap. I thought this was totally wrong until I checked it out. I cannot believe Manny's going into his 5th year already. I'd expect the Sox to continue trying to move him thoughout this coming season, but DAMN, it seems like he just got here...

elsrbueno · December 20, 2004

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 20 2004, 01:24 PM
as much as I am the on who was confused thanks to els and now to you Bosox I think I understand more about whats going on.

Off the top of ymy head I would bet that the real sticking point about the no-trade clause isnt so much that they wont trade Tek, it's a precedent thing.

I heard that the no trade clause stipulation is a matter of team policy, and I suppose (operative word being suppose) if they are forced into giving it to Tek, it will merely open the door for other agents to use against them in future talks.
Just a guess.

exactly.

The Red Sox have the policy not to give out no trade clauses, and (believe it or not) are trying to go away from being the type of organization that provides preferencial treatment to its stars.

With rules and regulations, there are always limits. The Red Sox as an organization have deemed no trade clauses bad ideas, and for damn good reason. If they stick to their guns here with Varitek, it gives them more negotiating power down the road when someone else asks for a no trade clause. If they give Varitek one now, it makes them look bad if they make an exception to the rule.

At this point, it's the principle of the thing. They didn't buckle on Pedro, and they don't appear to be buckling to Varitek. It sucks as a fan because Pedro's in NY, and Varitek may walk away if he doesn't get his way, but it makes the organization stronger in the long run.

I like it.

YANKEESRULE · December 20, 2004

I think Varitek will go to the Mets. Anyone else?

RedSoxRooter · December 20, 2004

I'd say Dodgers.

yankeessuck013 · December 20, 2004

nah, either red sox :harhar: or dodgers IMO :thumbdown:

elsrbueno · December 20, 2004

The Mets would have to move Piazza first....

The Dodgers are a very real possibility, but would they be willing to pay more than $9 mil a year for 4 years?

If so, I say they can have him.

YANKEESRULE · December 20, 2004

Well maybe not the Mets, but I think he goes to a team that will give him his no-trade clause.

stocker323 · December 20, 2004

I can't see the Red Sox letting Varitek go, I think they will have to overpay slightly, but in the end they will end up re-signing him.

schillingouttheks · December 21, 2004

i dont want to overpay tek at all. if thats the case, then take schneider and watch shoppach under our eyes keenly. we need to save money...im pretty sure that was the goal for this off season after all.

soxonfox · December 21, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Dec 20 2004, 07:09 PM
i dont want to overpay tek at all. if thats the case, then take schneider and watch shoppach under our eyes keenly. we need to save money...im pretty sure that was the goal for this off season after all.

i like that idea. but i also wouldnt mind resigning tek. also, it depends on how far away shoppauch is fom the majors. if you sign tek 3,4,or 5 years, shoppach could possibly used as trade bait ( kind of like how hanley ramirez is because of signing edgar.).

Yanksin2010 · December 21, 2004

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Dec 20 2004, 04:12 PM
The Mets would have to move Piazza first....

The Dodgers are a very real possibility, but would they be willing to pay more than $9 mil a year for 4 years?

If so, I say they can have him.

Havent they already done that? :blink:

Chitalian Stallion · December 21, 2004

I think that this is what everyone thinks...since tek isnt GREAT offensively we should take these negotiations to the deadline (Jan 8th rite?) and if he signs, great, I'd love to have him back. If not, get shneider or someone to replace him for a year or two until shopp is ready.

BoSox Rule · December 21, 2004

Washington isn't interested in trading Schneider.

elsrbueno · December 21, 2004

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 20 2004, 09:06 PM
Washington isn't interested in trading Schneider.

maybe so, but there are other options.

Right now, I'd take a defensive specialist catcher at a fraction of what Varitek's asking... since Zenny's right... he's SO much better at Fenway then away from it.

YANKEESRULE · December 21, 2004

Just curious who's this Zenny.

Zenny · December 21, 2004

Originally posted by YANKEESRULE@Dec 21 2004, 12:35 PM
Just curious who's this Zenny.

Hi.

soxonfox · December 22, 2004

Originally posted by elsrbueno+Dec 21 2004, 09:12 AM-->
QUOTE (elsrbueno @ Dec 21 2004, 09:12 AM)

jlcrss9 · December 22, 2004

No. Piazza has not been moved yet. They decided to have him remain as their primary catcher.

schillingouttheks · December 22, 2004

yea, but he has played 1B if they need it, i think thats what he meant.

jlcrss9 · December 23, 2004

New story from ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1952658

4 years 40 million. Ouch.....seems to be a little too much.

schillingouttheks · December 24, 2004

yea thats what i said in the official varitek signing thread.

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