Ted Lilly

[yankeessuck013]

Someone should get a thought into the head of Theo that Ted Lilly could be a solution to the lefthand pitching problem for many years. Young, hard throwing with Toronto, a team which has many problems, including financial, therefore flexible to a deal. He has already proved to Theo and the team his abilities in games against the Sox during this past season.

[Soxfan1]

I remember when lilly pitched a relly gret game v.s the sox last year against pedro. It was like a 2hitter or somethin like that. Thats when I got respect for that guy.

[ahhchon]

don't you remember the LIIIIILYYYYY LIIIIILLYYYYY chants?

 

john

[YanksHater213]

I do... that was one of the few times a chant in Fenwa has made me laugh

[CrespoBlows]

Not a chance we land this guy

[YanksHater213]

I would love to get Lilly, it would give us great balance in the rotation between LHP and RHP. It isnt really a stretch either, because I have yet to really hear a great amount of teas going after him

[BellhornLove]

I remember when lilly pitched a relly gret game v.s the sox last year against pedro. It was like a 2hitter or somethin like that. Thats when I got respect for that guy.

 

I know the game you're talking about. It was one of the games I went to last season. It was more like a 3 or 4 hitter and Pedro did just as good. The sox won in the end!

[26 to 6]

Lilly was good in NY, no doubt he'd be a good fit with the sox, but you guys do have a surplux of starting pitching...isnt that why you guys were reluctant to give Wake his extention, you have something like 6 or 7 starting pitchers under contract next year.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

What would you do with him?? It would be nice to have him take the place of Embee as our top lefty in the bullpen. After this season I don't know how long Wells can last at his age. He could take his place next season and until then be a great addition in the bullpen. I think playing with Varitek and our coaching along with our offense would make him a much better player. I like the move this would be a good one if we could somehow take him from Toronto. Not to mention he might be somewhat cheap since he is stuggling a little this season.

 

If the Phillies can't get it done Wagner may be available later. Could you imagine a bullpen of Foulke, Wagner, Mantei, and Timlin......game over

[Sizzlin22]

I don't see the Blue Jays dealing Lilly not a young Talent like that.

[RedSoxRooter]

Tom Glavine is on vacation with his family in the Caribbean and is not expected to return until the end of the weekend, his agent, Greg Clifton, said yesterday. Glavine, a 40-year-old with 290 career victories, has said he will pitch next season either for the Mets or the Atlanta Braves, the team he played for in his first 16 major league seasons. He is unlikely to announce his decision until Monday or Tuesday.

 

Glavine’s ambivalence about returning to New York stands in contrast to the attitude of Ted Lilly, who would like to return to the Yankees, for whom he played from 2000-2.

 

Lilly, 30, wants to be reunited with Yankees Manager Joe Torre and have a shot at pitching in the postseason, Lilly’s agent, Larry O’Brien, said yesterday.

 

“He wouldn’t give up millions of dollars to pitch for the Yankees, but he would really like to return to New York and pitch for Joe Torre,” O’Brien said in a telephone interview.

 

O’Brien has had discussions with Brian Cashman, the Yankees’ general manager, and described the Yankees’ interest in Lilly as warm. O’Brien said he did not expect to hear from the Yankees until the winning bid was announced on Kei Igawa, a 27-year-old left-hander from Japan. Igawa’s rights were posted by his team, the Hanshin Tigers, and the bidding will conclude Monday.

 

Lilly went 15-13 with a 4.31 E.R.A. last season for the Toronto Blue Jays. His career record is 59-58, with a 4.60 E.R.A. Perhaps significantly for the Yankees, who have had injury problems with many of their starters, Lilly has started more than 30 games in three of the past four seasons.

 

O’Brien said that if Lilly got close to making a deal with another team, he would likely reach out to Cashman if the Yankees had not yet made an offer. MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

First, I hope Glavine comes back to Atlanta. That would be very cool.

 

About Lilly, a notorious Sox killer, I think the Red Sox should make a bid for Lilly as the #4-5 starter.

 

A base rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Lilly and Wakefield I would be totally confident in.

[Gom]

I think Lilly is going to the Yankees. I think the Yankee rotation will be Wang, Mussina, Lilly, Johnson and..umm....someone. Boy, would I love to see Zito.

 

I don't want anyone to die, like Corey Lidle [RIP], but I kind of home Pavano goes missing for a couple of years...oh wait, he's already done that. Stupid prick. f*** him. I hope he has a sex change and joins the WNBA.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom, take a look at these numbers.

 

32G 181.2IP 179H 28HR 81BB 160K 4.31ERA 1.43WHIP average of 5.6IP per start 30yrs old

34G 221IP 211H 27HR 99BB 151K 3.83ERA 1.40WHIP average of 6.5IP per start 29yrs old

 

Very similar numbers. They both walk about 4 batters per 9IP and have a similar BAA. The big difference is in IP, and do not correlate it to being in the ALE as Lilly had similar #s while in oakland. Thing is, Zito may cost 15-18 mil a season, while Lilly may be a 10mil a yr guy. If the yankees decided to get Lilly, I think it would be an ok move if they have the intention of getting a top of the rotation starter. If they do not have that intention, then I'd be apprehensive about getting him. The yankees have a manager who loves to burn his pen, and giving him a pitcher who hardly lasts past 6 innings will continue the trend. They need an ace, Zito would give them the innings, but is that enough? Something is cooking Gom, but one thing you can take solace in is that Cashman is running the show now, not George.

[BSN07]

Yes so that means NYY probably won't open it's purse for Zito like they have in years past. Zito is a number 2 or 3 pitcher. He has good stuff and is a dependable innings eater. He's not an ace. I agree if the NYY are going to get an ace it will be via trade. Just not sure who they might be after.

[example1]

Yes so that means NYY probably won't open it's purse for Zito like they have in years past. Zito is a number 2 or 3 pitcher. He has good stuff and is a dependable innings eater. He's not an ace. I agree if the NYY are going to get an ace it will be via trade. Just not sure who they might be after.

 

Yeah, cause there are so many aces available via trade these days...

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah' date=' cause there are so many aces available via trade these days... [/quote']

 

that is the thing. The yankees have already been burned by going into the 2nd tier. They spent 34 mil total over the past 2 yrs on second tier starters in Wright and Pavano plus another 24 for the next 2 yrs on those guys. Maybe they will learn the lesson.

[Gom]

I may be the only one in the world who likes Zito. He had a down year for him, and he still was one of the best pitchers in the A.L. There is no comparison between the two pitchers. Plus, I put a lot of stock in the fact that he has a career post-season ERA of 3.25. Take away that bomb he had against Detroit this year, he has a career post-season ERA of 2.45. Most of that ERA came against us and the Red Sox, he outdueled Santana this year...I think the guy is a very solid #1 pitcher. He isn't a shut down ace, like Santana or Halliday, but I think Zito is one of the top 30 starting pitchers in baseball..hence, I call him an ace.

 

I think that $25 million spent on Zito [15 mil] and Lilly [10 mil] would be very good value in today's market. If you give me a rotation of Wang, Zito, Mussina, Lilly, Johnson [with Hughes in the wings], I will take that against any other rotation in baseball and take my chances. Let's also not forget that the Yankees have been known to score a run or two.

 

When you think about it, it's a payroll increase from last year of 3 million from last year, when you factor in Mussina's decrease, Wright's buyout, and Sheffield's trade. In other words, if you were the Yankee GM and someone offered you Zito, Lilly, a reliever [britton], a top tier prospect [sanchez] and three mid-level prospects [the rest from the Tigers deal] for Sheffield, Wright, and 3 million, would you do it? I thought so.

 

Now, it is nothing but utter speculation, but how great would it be to get Lilly AND Zito for HALF the money it cost the Sox to post for Matsuzaka? I, for one, would love it. However, it still has to happen first.

[example1]

I may be the only one in the world who likes Zito. He had a down year for him' date=' and he still was one of the best pitchers in the A.L. There is no comparison between the two pitchers. Plus, I put a lot of stock in the fact that he has a career post-season ERA of 3.25. Take away that bomb he had against Detroit this year, he has a career post-season ERA of 2.45. Most of that ERA came against us and the Red Sox, he outdueled Santana this year...I think the guy is a very solid #1 pitcher. He isn't a shut down ace, like Santana or Halliday, but I think Zito is one of the top 30 starting pitchers in baseball..hence, I call him an ace. [/quote']

 

Zito would do pretty well in NY. He would have enough offense to win most of his games. As a Red Sox fan I would expect him to pitch like Mussina has the past few years and its certainly not something I look forward to from the Yankees. However, I also like the Sox chances when facing Zito and I think that by the end of next year it will be consensus that Matsuzaka is a better pitcher than Zito.

 

I think that $25 million spent on Zito [15 mil] and Lilly [10 mil] would be very good value in today's market. If you give me a rotation of Wang, Zito, Mussina, Lilly, Johnson [with Hughes in the wings], I will take that against any other rotation in baseball and take my chances. Let's also not forget that the Yankees have been known to score a run or two.

 

I think 15m is a little low for Zito. I'm guessing 16-18 for a young guy who has a Cy-Young. Wang, Zito, Mussina, Lilly and Johnson isn't a bad rotation, except that--of late--Lilly and RJ get pounded and Mussina is a huge injury risk. Zito throws more walks than anyone in baseball and Wang, while good, is young and a groundball pitcher at best. It's definitely not doom-and-gloom for the Yankees pitching (especially with Hughes in the wings), but I would take the Sox rotation (w/ Matsuzaka, god willing) over that one any day of the week.

 

When you think about it, it's a payroll increase from last year of 3 million from last year, when you factor in Mussina's decrease, Wright's buyout, and Sheffield's trade. In other words, if you were the Yankee GM and someone offered you Zito, Lilly, a reliever [britton], a top tier prospect [sanchez] and three mid-level prospects [the rest from the Tigers deal] for Sheffield, Wright, and 3 million, would you do it? I thought so.

 

getting anything for two overpaid losers is a good deal. Trading Wright is remarkably similar to something the sox haven't (and won't) been able to do: move Matt Clement. So Kudos for being able to do that. Of course, Pavano and previously Kevin Brown are two other guys who you would have liked to move but weren't able to, so its not a "full kudos" to Cashman over the years. As for Sheffield, I think it was pretty even as far as a deal goes. it is easy to forget how good Sheffield is as a hitter, with his injury and the power of the Yankees lineup around him. In this market he would have been a 16m at least FA for Detroit, so they're happy to get him. That's no coup.

 

 

Now, it is nothing but utter speculation, but how great would it be to get Lilly AND Zito for HALF the money it cost the Sox to post for Matsuzaka? I, for one, would love it. However, it still has to happen first.

 

 

I would rather have Matsuzaka and so would the Yankees and so would you.

[jacksonianmarch]

while I agree with you example in most part, Lilly has not gotten pounded lately.

[Gom]

Zito would do pretty well in NY. He would have enough offense to win most of his games. As a Red Sox fan I would expect him to pitch like Mussina has the past few years and its certainly not something I look forward to from the Yankees. However' date=' I also like the Sox chances when facing Zito and I think that by the end of next year it will be consensus that Matsuzaka is a better pitcher than Zito.[/quote']

 

You guys are putting a lot of faith in a guy who's never pitched here. Remember Contreras, Nomo, Irabu, etc.? Not a single pitcher has come over from another league and had prolonged success. This doesn't mean that it won't happen, but you guys are putting a lot of stock in a guy who's yet to perform here. Remember, Beckett was supposed to be a CY Young candidate this season. Don't get your hopes up too much.

 

I think 15m is a little low for Zito. I'm guessing 16-18 for a young guy who has a Cy-Young. Wang' date=' Zito, Mussina, Lilly and Johnson isn't a bad rotation, except that--of late--Lilly and RJ get pounded and Mussina is a huge injury risk. Zito throws more walks than anyone in baseball and Wang, while good, is young and a groundball pitcher at best. It's definitely not doom-and-gloom for the Yankees pitching (especially with Hughes in the wings), but I would take the Sox rotation (w/ Matsuzaka, god willing) over that one any day of the week.[/quote']

I can see what you say about Zito. Who knows in today's market, really? No real pitcher has signed yet, so I can't say for sure.

 

In the above situation, I can't see how you take that rotation. Wang is by far the best pitcher in the two cities. Zito is second best. I can give the Sox Schilling as number , but then it's a tossup for the rest. Even putting Matsuzaka 4th, Moose is better than Beckett, Johnson and Wakefield are a wash, and Lilly is better than Clement. It's really where Matsuzaka fits in, whether he is better than Zito at 2 or behind Zito at 3 or behind Schilling at 4. Unless he fits in at two, the Yanks rotation is better. Of course...the Yankees still have to sign Zito and Lilly to make this argument hold more water.

getting anything for two overpaid losers is a good deal. Trading Wright is remarkably similar to something the sox haven't (and won't) been able to do: move Matt Clement. So Kudos for being able to do that. Of course' date=' Pavano and previously Kevin Brown are two other guys who you would have liked to move but weren't able to, so its not a "full kudos" to Cashman over the years. As for Sheffield, I think it was pretty even as far as a deal goes. it is easy to forget how good Sheffield is as a hitter, with his injury and the power of the Yankees lineup around him. In this market he would have been a 16m at least FA for Detroit, so they're happy to get him. That's no coup.[/quote']

I'm not looking at the deal from the other team point of view, since multiple teams were involved. I'm looking at the zero sum gain. From the Yankees point of view, are they better off or not with the moves. So far, it's a coup. The fact that the deal makes perfect sense from the Tigers viewpoint is irrelevant.

I would rather have Matsuzaka and so would the Yankees and so would you.

I wouldn't. The Yankee front office agrees with you. Probably the entire world too. I'm a big Zito fan. Being a lefty at Yankee stadium will allow him to probably keep his same ERA in the East. Lilly is a dependable and solid pitcher. A solid #4 type pitcher. I always like the proven player over the unknown. Sometimes you get lucky and get a Hideki Matsui or Ichiro Suzuki. Sometimes you get a bust like Kaz Matsui or Irabu. You know what you are getting with those guys. You simply don't with Matsuzaka. So, no...I wouldn't want Matsuzaka at double, and most likely, triple the cost of Zito and Lilly. I guess next season will tell.

[Beckett95]

rotoworld

Agent Larry O'Brien said Wednesday that the Blue Jays are out of the running for free agent Ted Lilly.

 

"It's down to the Cubs and the Yankees," O'Brien said. It's unclear whether the Yankees have made an offer. That could come with the two sides due to meet later the afternoon. The Cubs have offered $40 million-$44 million for four years.

 

PLEASE go to the cubs

[Sox Fan on Cape]

rotoworld

 

 

PLEASE go to the cubs

 

Totally agree, thats 2-3 losses we won't have.

[MANNYHOF24]

If the Yankees are going to get Pettittie they probally wont go after Lilly

[MANNYHOF24]

Totally agree' date=' thats 2-3 losses we won't have.[/quote']

 

Its sad when you can say that in December but it is so true.

[Beckett95]

This guy just OWNS the Sox. Hopefully something goes wrong during his meeting with the Yankees tonight.

[BoSox34]

Cubs are really interested in him and it appears that he'll be leaving the AL East for Chicago (thank god).

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he would be a horrible acquisition in the Bronx. 4 yrs for a pitcher who has durability issues. The yankees already have durability issues in everyone on the staff aside from Wang and Igawa (who has other issues).