According To Globe, Edgar Just Signed...

[derekn]

BREAKING SPORTS NEWS: Edgar Renteria signed a four-year, $40 million contract with the Red Sox today, giving Boston an All-Star shortstop, according to the Globe.

 

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...four_years_40m/

 

Ok now we need another SP....

[mosox]

Oh Yeah! Hitting second behind Damon.

[RedSoxRooter]

I still don't understand why, but I guess it's a good deal..... I guess Hanley is bait now.

 

Dirtdogs is also posting this: "Meanwhile, Sox Getting Closer with Pitching Replacements - A.J. Burnett is Front and Center"

 

Me excited!

[sarasoxfan]

oh yeah!!!

 

this is a good move....nay a great move.

 

 

now tek and some starting pitching and we're all set!!

 

oh and a first basemen...

 

then we're alls et..

 

way to go theo.

[BoSox Rule]

If him and his .327 OBP hit behind Damon instead of Bellhorn's .373 I'll shoot someone.

 

How can some of you honestly say this is a greats signing?

[CrespoBlows]

Polanco hit in a wiffle ball park last year, Renteria was in a pitcher's park. Renteria has post season expirence, Polanco has none. Renteria is better with the glove then Polanco is.

[sarasoxfan]

I think bellhorn's OBP, is pretty good but those strikeouts suck.

Oralndo's OBP was lower than Edgar's, Edgar's a better hitter and a better fielder-

 

whats not to like. He easily one of the top five shortstops in the majors. It's a step up.

[yankeessuck013]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 15 2004, 02:54 PM

If him and his .327 OBP hit behind Damon instead of Bellhorn's .373 I'll shoot someone.

 

How can some of you honestly say this is a greats signing?

I am excited about the Renteria deal!!! It's a confidence builder right now in the midst of Pedro leaving. I have faith in Theo to keep things going and get us what we need. Hanley might be a good prospect for the future but Renteria is proven and doing great right now. Good job Theo- and welcome Renteria!!! Once again Theo and his staff have worked a sweet deal. There is not a doubt, not a doubt that Theo and his staff are not done yet. They will sign TEK and get one more front line pitcher. Finnally it is fun being a RED SOX fan, more importantly a defending WORLD CHAMPION RED SOX fan. Thank you Mr. Henry!

[elsrbueno]

While I have no doubt Renteria will be a quality player for the next 4 years, it seems his price tag is a little high when Orlando would have come cheaper.

 

Going from Busch to Fenway should help Renteria's offensive numbers though.

[CrespoBlows]

He makes consistent contact, which explains his low OBP.

[sarasoxfan]

Its hard to believe that we are comparing renteria to mark bellhorn..

[papi4prez]

i think he should bat 2nd behind damon.... bellhorn seems to get that strikeout to end every rally. How many K's did he have...wasn't it like 160 or am i retarded

[elsrbueno]

Renteria's definately a quality #2 hitter. I always thought Orlando should have hit there too. A decent mix of speed and power.

 

Bellhorn's got a great OBP, and is a good alternative if the Sox feel Renteria should hit 6 or 7... but if it was my choice... I'd go with Edgar.

[sarasoxfan]

it was more like 177,...so I guess the answer to other question is a yes.

[sarasoxfan]

orlando got some timely hits to be sure, but he was a bit of a free swinger..edgar will be a prefect 2 guy..contact, contact...

 

bellhorn if he's around probably can bat somewhere at the bottom of the order.

[papi4prez]

eh...shut up

[sarasoxfan]

i was just kidding..

 

hard to believe but it was 177

[papi4prez]

i was kidding too

[BoSox Rule]

Who care's about contact. It's a number two hitter's job to get on-base for the amazing hitters like Ortiz and Manny.

 

I'd rather a guy who walks 88 times and gets on base over 37% of the time. Not somebody who had a PATHETIC .327 OBP.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 15 2004, 12:39 PM

oh yeah!!!

 

this is a good move....nay a great move.

 

 

now tek and some starting pitching and we're all set!!

 

oh and a first basemen...

 

then we're alls et..

 

way to go theo.

it really isn't a great signing, it's not even a good signing. you are overpaying for an overrated player.

 

how does it get any worse? we should have let him sign with the cardinals for 9 mill per and signed OC for 7 or 8 mill per or gotten a stopgap.

 

now we're trade 6 years of (18+HR, 80 + rbi, .300 + ave, GG ss defence @ 300k per year)

 

sigh.

 

bellhorn batting 2nd > renteria batting 2nd. the higher your OBP is the more value you are behind the box.

 

do you guys even understand what OBP is? it's the chance that you WON'T create an out. the higher the % the better. renteria is extremely overrated. he has good defence, his hitting is so overrated it's not even funny. his career has been up and down up and down. his OPS (another stat that is MUCH more important than ave) was only in the .700's this year. that's CRAP for a 10 mill per year player.

 

this signing is stupid.

 

my worst fears are coming true, overpaying for rent, next is overpaying for tek, and then we're going to get into a bidding war with the angels for clement and rape our farm system for pitchers.

 

john

[stocker323]

So are you saying that we should have signed Cabrera, instead of Renteria because of Renteria's low OBP? IF I'm not mistaken Cabrera's OBP is even LOWER than Renteria. I understand that you probably want Cabrera for other reasons as well, but for that to be your main reason makes no sense.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 15 2004, 03:28 PM

orlando got some timely hits to be sure, but he was a bit of a free swinger..edgar will be a prefect 2 guy..contact, contact...

 

bellhorn if he's around probably can bat somewhere at the bottom of the order.

OUCH, OC's OPS was higher than renterias last season and his defence was better too.

 

he also struk out less than renteria and would have had a better average and power numbers if he spent a full seasn at fenway. he batted .394 at fenway whereas renteria batted .287 all season.

 

bellhorn wouldn't be as good at the bottom of the order. his OBP is pretty damn good. he's a decent number two. i bitched a lot about bellhorn last season about being # 2 but renteria is not the guy to replace him. close, but no close enough imo.

 

i'm just hating this signing. overpaying and everything is pointing towards trading hanley.

 

john

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by stocker323@Dec 15 2004, 05:31 PM

So are you saying that we should have signed Cabrera, instead of Renteria because of Renteria's low OBP? IF I'm not mistaken Cabrera's OBP is even LOWER than Renteria. I understand that you probably want Cabrera for other reasons as well, but for that to be your main reason makes no sense.

actually OC's OPS is greater than renterias. yes, renteria had a slightly better obp (by .007), that's .7 percent better.

 

but OC surely makes up with his slugging % which was .485 (at fenway). renterias was .401. OC's OPS is also much better than renterias.

 

given a full year at fenway OC's numbers would have been superior to renterias. his defence is better and he costs less.

 

renteria was not a BAD signing, it was the BEST thing we could have done.

 

john

[stocker323]

Renteria's career OPS is 21 points higher than Cabrera's. Cabrera's OPS did improve significantly when he went to the Red Sox, but the same thing will happen when Renteria goes to Fenway as well.

[BoSox Rule]

Yeah, for more than twice the price.

[yankeessuck013]

How can you not like the Renteria signing?

He only 29, it seems like he has been kicking around the league forever but apparently he was originally called up at 19.

.300 seems reasonable and perhaps even higher if he can adapt to hitting with the Wall. He has driven in 100 runs on one or maybe even two occasions before so depending upon where he hits in the line-up that could be attainable again.

Defensively, he's probably a miniscule step up from Cabrera and a monumental step up from old friend Lassie.

 

Who are the top 3 SS in the AL EAST?

 

1.)Tejada

2.)Renteria

3.)Jeter

 

2 and 3 could be reversed!? im not quite sure

[ahhchon]

look at it this way. nomar signed for 1 year 8 mill. renteria signed for 4 years 40 mill.

 

that's 2 mill more a year for renteria than nomar.

 

nomar: average defence, way above average offence: 8 mill for ONE YEAR

 

renteria: good defence, average offence: 40 mill for FOUR years.

 

hanley is on the way up and is more than promising, this was a bad signing.

 

john

[BoSox Rule]

Jeter's better than Renteria

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 15 2004, 06:15 PM

Jeter's better than Renteria

offensively, hell yes, defensively, hell no.

 

john

[BoSox Rule]

Look at Jeter's and Renteria's defensive numbers.

 

They're both average.