Red Sox Offer Pedro Contract

[stocker323]

The Red Sox have offered Pedro Martinez a two-year, $25.5 million contract with a $13 million option for 2007, the Boston Globe reports.

That basically matches the deal Curt Schilling signed last year. According to the Globe, Martinez left the offer on the table for now. It's likely that the Red Sox will have to guarantee the third year if they want to keep him. (Rotoworld)

[YanksHater213]

I believe that if he wants to stay in Boston, he will sign this contract. If he rejects it, good luck signing him.

[stocker323]

I don't think he'll accept this one, but I think the Red Sox will offer another contract.

[RedSoxRooter]

Not a bad offer for a 6 inning pitcher who had a 3.90 ERA in his walk year, who prays to God that he stays healthy before and after each start.

 

He's not even "worth" 10 million anymore. But I guess it's all about how much he can get in the market. That's nice respect there Petey.

[CrespoBlows]

We have to bring Pedro and Vartiek back. Pedro still is a top ten pitcher in the game, and I guartnee he will have another great year. He's no longer a 100 + pitcher anymore, but he's a 7 inning guy. I hope we bring him back.

[CrespoBlows]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...ch_to_martinez/

 

there's the article in the globe.

[schillingouttheks]

i can only imagine how great our rotation would be if we re-signed pedro.

 

pedro, schills, pavano (most likely), arroyo and wake

[stocker323]

I don't think we'd sign Pedro and Pavano, if we signed Pedro we would most likely go after a cheap 4th or 5th starter.

[yeszir]

If the yankees lure him away I'd have to shoot myself.

[element1151]

Originally posted by yeszir@Nov 6 2004, 09:30 AM

If the yankees lure him away I'd have to shoot myself.

I don't even care if he signs with the Sox anymore, anyone but the Yankees.

[RedSoxRooter]

You know what's funny???

 

I don't care anymore who the Yankees sign now that we won the World Series. It all just seems like an act of despiration by George to piss off Red Sox fans. This goes for Nomar too, if he or Pedro sign with the Yankees, so what? We'll find our own guys to sign.

 

 

I hope Pedro returns to the Sox, but come on. If he turns down this offer, he's incredibly stupid and greedy.

 

As Sox fans we should agree that this is an exceptionally good offer for Pedro. It's not like we are low-balling him or anything. This is a huge offer by management. It Pedro walks, it will hardly be Clemens part 2.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by RedSoxRooter@Nov 6 2004, 09:18 AM

Not a bad offer for a 6 inning pitcher who had a 3.90 ERA in his walk year, who prays to God that he stays healthy before and after each start.

 

He's not even "worth" 10 million anymore. But I guess it's all about how much he can get in the market. That's nice respect there Petey.

wow, people amaze me.

 

so in the past 8 years pedro's era is an average of only what 2.6 tops.. TWO POINT SIX. he had one bad year and you're all writing him off. that's what they said about clemens too.

 

he stayed healthy all year this year, was pushing 97 mph against the angels.

 

how is he not worth 10 mill? he's one of the top 10 pitchers in the league and on any given night can be the BEST there ever was.

 

25 mill for 2 years is not enough, that's not what he's looking for. if you give him 3 years at 36 that's much more respectable.. with a 4th year club option. 3 years is just not enough for pedro, unless it's for crazy money.

 

john

[RedSox24]

wow...john..... you are really critical of what people have to say... i dont agree fully with what RedSoxRooter said but i dont think what you said is correct. I definetly cannot agree that Pedro is the BEST pitcher there ever was, and i think that the contract offered is showing great respect to Pedro.

[RedSoxRooter]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Nov 6 2004, 01:07 PM

so in the past 8 years pedro's era is an average of only what 2.6 tops.. TWO POINT SIX. he had one bad year and you're all writing him off. that's what they said about clemens too.

 

he stayed healthy all year this year, was pushing 97 mph against the angels.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Pedro I saw in 1999 and 2000 was the best pitcher I ever saw, but we are not talking about the past. Or talking about compensating him for past glories (maybe 17.5 this year wasn't enough?). I don't care what he did 8 years ago. All I care about is how he's pitched since 2001 and how he's declined since the shoulder injury. Why the Yankees can kill his fastball, really.

 

This is about what he'll be like next year and 3 years from now. I know Grady gets the fault (and rightfully so) for 2003, but the fact that Pedro wasn't the "old Pedro" is why we didn't go to the World Series last year. Plain and simple. He does not deserve to be paid like he still is.

[element1151]

I think that this is fair deal, what he should be earning. I wouldn't mind risking a 3rd year with pedro, he should take 3 yrs for 36 mill, and the Sox should offer around that amonut if he refuses the 2 yr deal. If he doesn't take that 3 yr deal, don't bother with him.

[mosox]

If Pedro doesn't like it then so be it. I think this is still a little pricey, but with the way things worked out the Sox had to make a good offer. I think Pedro should stay and play out his career in Boston. But Theo is smart enough to just go out and get Pavano or Radke or both if Pedro walks and I'd be just as happy if he did.

[DOrtiz4prez]

Either way, our team would be good. If we get Pedro, then yay we get Pedro. But if we don't, we get Pavano and/or Radke. Its a win win situation. I'm not leaning a lot either way.

[ahhchon]

you guys are kidding me right? you guys make it sound like pavano and radke are the best pitchers we've seen during free agency in the past few years.

 

how is it a win win situation when you lose pedro? it's not, it's a situation where you lose, unless he's asking for 14+ mill year. that's my point though, radke or pavano will NOT make up for pedro. pavano has had ONE year when his era was 3.0 or under, wait, his era has NEVER been under 3. this was his lowest at 3. his 3.06 year doesn't count because he only played 15 games. his career era is 4.21.

 

radke hasn't seen a year under 3.48, that's this year. pavano's career high k's was this year at 130 something.. radke was 174 SEVEN years ago. pedro struck out 227. of course radke will be cheaper but pavano will barely be cheaper than pedro.

 

pedro schilling or if you prefer, schilling pedro is the best 1,2 punch in the majors. there is no doubt about it. no matter how you see it losing pedro is a down grade, no one knows how pavano will do in a hitters park such as fenway. priority # 1 is pedro in my mind. i've said it time and time again.

 

john

[ahhchon]

i take back when i said his 3.06 year doesn't count, it does, what i'm saying is that with a full 30+ games it could be worse, or better.

 

john

[mosox]

I don't see Pavano or Radke as upgrades over Pedro, but if Pedro's demands are too high, then they are the alternative. Considering ther Sox scored 231 more runs than the Marlins and 169 more runs than the Twins, Pavano and Radke would benefit from more run support in Boston.

[ahhchon]

excuse me? the red sox offence helping them.

 

do you not recall 2003? you know, the year the red sox offensively destroyed records?

 

pedro also had a 2.22 era that year, he only had 14 wins.. don't tell me that any pitcher can have a better chance with the sox offence. they score 20 runs one game and zero on others. hence why their average is so high. they play teams with scrub pitching too often. this year tampa, orioles, toronto and even the yankees had subpar pitching.

 

john

[elsrbueno]

I think $12 mil/year is a VERY fair offer for Pedro. I think he needs 3 guaranteed years to sign, and I think the Sox should compromise and offer him a third year.

 

Pedro is still one of the best pitchers in the game, and he is easily the top free agent pitcher. Radke should be pursued as a replacement for LOWE, not Pedro.

 

3 years, 36 mil with a mutual option for a 4th year. That's what the Red Sox should offer him WHEN he rejects the 2 year offer.

[mosox]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Nov 8 2004, 12:08 AM

excuse me? the red sox offence helping them.

 

Randy Johnson had only two more wins than Derek Lowe this season. You don't think the Red Sox offense helped out Lowe? If RJ was in a Sox uniform he may have won 25 games.

Additionally in his 15 no decisions this season Radke had a 2.47 ERA, including one stretch where he pitched three straight no decisions with 7 innings with 1 ER in each game.

In Pavano's 14 losses and no decisions, he had a 3.95 ERA.

With a team that averaged 5.85 runs per game over the last two seasons, yes I do believe Radke and/or Pavano could benefit from the Sox offense.

[ahhchon]

i wasn't dissing you, i was basically poking fun at the irony.

 

randy johnsons era was nowhere near 2.22. pedro only had 14 wins last season. point proven :-D

 

john

[DOrtiz4prez]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Nov 7 2004, 09:58 PM

you guys are kidding me right? you guys make it sound like pavano and radke are the best pitchers we've seen during free agency in the past few years.

 

how is it a win win situation when you lose pedro? it's not, it's a situation where you lose, unless he's asking for 14+ mill year. that's my point though, radke or pavano will NOT make up for pedro. pavano has had ONE year when his era was 3.0 or under, wait, his era has NEVER been under 3. this was his lowest at 3. his 3.06 year doesn't count because he only played 15 games. his career era is 4.21.

 

radke hasn't seen a year under 3.48, that's this year. pavano's career high k's was this year at 130 something.. radke was 174 SEVEN years ago. pedro struck out 227. of course radke will be cheaper but pavano will barely be cheaper than pedro.

 

pedro schilling or if you prefer, schilling pedro is the best 1,2 punch in the majors. there is no doubt about it. no matter how you see it losing pedro is a down grade, no one knows how pavano will do in a hitters park such as fenway. priority # 1 is pedro in my mind. i've said it time and time again.

 

john

I'm not saying that they are two equal things els. I'm saying that either way we won't have terrible pitching anymore. Yeah, we won't have Pedro but we'll be able to get 2 pitchers that can fill in and not throw our team out in the dump.

 

I wasn't saying that they were all-stars either. I was saying that, again, Pedro is a tough player to get back, but we have a good back up plan.

[schillingouttheks]

Originally posted by DOrtiz4prez+Nov 9 2004, 12:20 PM-->

QUOTE (DOrtiz4prez @ Nov 9 2004, 12:20 PM)

[elsrbueno]

Originally posted by schillingouttheks+Nov 9 2004, 06:44 PM-->

QUOTE (schillingouttheks @ Nov 9 2004, 06:44 PM)

Originally posted by DOrtiz4prez@Nov 9 2004, 12:20 PM

[schillingouttheks]

and i agree, its just that if he walks it will be pretty hard to replace him no matter who it is, but if it saves money, its all for the better in the end i guess. if he doesnt sign here, for all i care he can sign wherever he wants...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....AS LONG AS ITS NOT WITH THE YANKEES

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by DOrtiz4prez@Nov 9 2004, 12:20 PM

I'm saying that either way we won't have terrible pitching anymore.

since when do we have terrible pitching? def not this year. i wouldn't consider pedro and lowe to be worse than pavano and radke, maybe just this year their numbers were not as good.

 

john

[DOrtiz4prez]

No, no I mean if we lose Pedro, our pitching won't be bad because we can just sign them and it will be good.

 

Anyway, if Pedro goes to the yanks, they would probably have to give up a few players that they could have signed, right?