Fire Francona Now

[sarasoxfan]

I have had it. The ineptitude in the dugout is just out of control. Even the announcers on ESPN blamed that game on Francona. Stevie Wonder could see Bronson was done. The lineups never makes sense. Embree must have pictures of Francona with a Goat, because there is no other reason why that guy should be allowed to pitch so much. I have suspected that Bellhorn had copies of those pictures as well, because he shouldnt be playing so much.

 

Francona is weak, pathetic excuse for a manager. Even Lee Mazzili out managed him.

 

It amazes me how we settle for such mediocrity. I want to beat the yankess, I dont want the wild card. It's f***ing august 5th and we are O-u-t of the hunt with the yankees, clinging to stay in the fight for the wild card. We lose games we should win, we lose games we should lose, and we hold on to win games by 8 or 9 runs. The weekend we lost two games we should have won...poor managing and alan embree.

 

Wake up citizens of red sox nation---we need a new manager today..

 

Where's stevie wonder when you need him.

[elsrbueno]

I agree with you. I don't like the way players walk all over Francona, and I don't like his use of the staff.

 

Alan Embree is NOT A LEFTY SPECIALIST!!! Look at the numbers....lefties have a HIGHER batting average against him.

 

Francona ruined Bronson's good outing by leaving him in when he didn't have much left and he gave up 4 runs.

 

Francona said in the interview before the game that since he had Thursday off, he wouldn't be afraid to use whatever relievers he needed to get the job done....Then in the game, he leaves Arroyo in to get shelled. Make sense?

 

I think Boston managers take too much heat sometimes....but Francona has gotten his chance to turn this team around. Earth to Theo and the Trio: We're still a .500 team since the trade deadline. Can Francona

[derekn]

Correct me if I am wrong here.

 

Wasn't Francona brought in to seal the deal for Schilling? If Francona goes, you think Schilling would like it? If Schilling is unhappy, I can see him in the offseason demanding a trade.

 

The kind of manager the Sox need is a Hargrove (disciplinarian). But this kind of manager only works on young players. I live in Cleveland and they have been rebuilding for 2 years. They are ahead of the time line as they have been playing 500 ball sooner than expected, but this only worked once they got rid of some veterans and had young,eager prospects (AAA caliber) lay it all on the line for a tough manager.

 

Only way they hire a Hargrove type of manager is when the Sox management decides it's time to rebuild until then they will hire "a player's manager who is their best buddy".

 

Catch 22 if you ask me..

[sarasoxfan]

schilling wants to win I would be very surprised to see him say a peep about firing f***face. He can demand a trade all he wants...the answer is no.

 

How on eearth canm he always find a way to leave the starters in too long.

PLus, timlin is overworked and embree just sucks, if I am not mistaken the bullpen consists of sev eral other pitchers. Friggin Mendoza had a couple of really somewhat decent appearences, well, great lets sit him down for two weeks.

 

Whenever anyone gets hot terri sits them down. Kapler was on a tear--sat him down. Millar finallylgets hot sit him down. Dougie, mcCarty...blah.

 

The best way to ensure your spot in this lineup is just plain start sucking. Bellhorn played almost every game and he strikes out more than some teams.

 

Hargrove would be great..anyone would be better.

I think they dshould make McCarty player manager..I have hunch he will be coach one day.

 

I truly believe that franconca loses games, and I get the impression is in way oevr his head. He's a wimpee..loser, and the players run all over hjim..

 

And he justs kisses their asses in the paper no matter what happens.

 

Lou Pinella, would be awesome........

[batstats]

First off players dont dictate who manages, who gets traded, who gets aquired and who gets fired. Schilling has no control over Francona's job. Secondly, you guys are idiots. Why would Schilling demand a trade? He came from a team that had no history, no future to a team thats always in the hunt in a place he enjoys playing. Even if he wanted to be traded, and demanded to be traded, why would the Sox trade him? He wouldnt not preform because he wanted to be traded, and the Sox would never let him go in a trade the way he has been performing. It leaves too many holes in the team. You guys really need to think before you post. Theo, Luccino, and Henry run this team, NOT SCHILLING. Just because he has become a recongnizable face with this team doesnt mean he owns it. Lets get realistic here

[elsrbueno]

Derek has a point. You think Manny is going to accept actually being DISCIPLINED here in Boston? How do you think Pedro would like it if he actually had to stay with the team (instead of traveling a day early to the next road city), etc, etc.

 

If a guy like Hargrove or Piniella came here Pedro, Manny, Schill, etc would be pissy. We'd have to trade them too.

 

Maybe we should make a run at it this year, then let Pedro/Lowe go, trade Manny, and rebuild this offseason without the superstars.

 

I hate Francona too at this point...maybe while he's having an orgy in the dugout someone ELSE (with some balls) can make decisions?

 

Grady Little got fired for doing what Francona's doing right now...except Grady's team had heart.

[sarasoxfan]

whats with the you guys are idiots...hey I didnt say that about schilling.

 

I know I'm an idiot but not about this.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Aug 5 2004, 10:09 AM

Derek has a point. You think Manny is going to accept actually being DISCIPLINED here in Boston? How do you think Pedro would like it if he actually had to stay with the team (instead of traveling a day early to the next road city), etc, etc.

 

If a guy like Hargrove or Piniella came here Pedro, Manny, Schill, etc would be pissy. We'd have to trade them too.

 

Maybe we should make a run at it this year, then let Pedro/Lowe go, trade Manny, and rebuild this offseason without the superstars.

 

I hate Francona too at this point...maybe while he's having an orgy in the dugout someone ELSE (with some balls) can make decisions?

 

Grady Little got fired for doing what Francona's doing right now...except Grady's team had heart.

Manny doesn't say anything, why would he be in a pissy mood?

[elsrbueno]

Manny might be in a pissy mood if he was being disciplined all the time....for not running out groundballs, etc

[sarasoxfan]

I still am smarting over the idiot remark, but just now the wounds are heeling.

 

Didnt manny play for hargrove in cleveland, did they play nicely together..??

 

as someone said the management should be finding a manager to win..not to please the players.

 

Thats the problem now, and as one of the loudest critics of grady he had heart, his team had heart..plus, he handled the bullpen and the starters m uch better, thasn this retard.

[noonanberg]

Are you guys all alright? A strict manager is going to kill this team. If anything it will help this team. It's about time we had a manager who made some attempt to blame someone for games. Francona just makes up some stupid BS that makes no sense. When players are at fault they should be held accountable. And players shouldn't be allowed to leave early or sit out a game and then play in the All- Star game. Players should be benched for these things, but instead the Sox almost encourage it.

 

As far as Schilling and Manny go, are you kidding? Crespo's right, Manny is too laid back and goofy to be pissy under a strict manager. He won't care. He'll just go out and do what he always does, hit the cover off the ball. That's what he's paid for, that's what he does, nothing will hinder that. And Schilling, he could be the biggest a**hole on the team (I mean that in a good way). I've never seen anyone (other than V- Tek) so serious about every game. A manager that shared that same intensity would probably suit a player like that better.

 

I don't think this team would have a bad reaction to a stricter manager. There are plenty of guys who have a high- level of accountability and intensity that it wouldn't bother them. I love watching this team joking around and having fun, that's why you should play sports because you love them. But there are times when you need to be serious (i.e. right now) and that is where Francona fails. It's good to have a good relationship with the players, but more important is respect. It's respect that will have players do what you ask. And I'm not so sure Francona has that right now.

[noonanberg]

Are you guys all alright? A strict manager is going to kill this team. If anything it will help this team. It's about time we had a manager who made some attempt to blame someone for games. Francona just makes up some stupid BS that makes no sense. When players are at fault they should be held accountable. And players shouldn't be allowed to leave early or sit out a game and then play in the All- Star game. Players should be benched for these things, but instead the Sox almost encourage it.

 

As far as Schilling and Manny go, are you kidding? Crespo's right, Manny is too laid back and goofy to be pissy under a strict manager. He won't care. He'll just go out and do what he always does, hit the cover off the ball. That's what he's paid for, that's what he does, nothing will hinder that. And Schilling, he could be the biggest a**hole on the team (I mean that in a good way). I've never seen anyone (other than V- Tek) so serious about every game. A manager that shared that same intensity would probably suit a player like that better.

 

I don't think this team would have a bad reaction to a stricter manager. There are plenty of guys who have a high- level of accountability and intensity that it wouldn't bother them. I love watching this team joking around and having fun, that's why you should play sports because you love them. But there are times when you need to be serious (i.e. right now) and that is where Francona fails. It's good to have a good relationship with the players, but more important is respect. It's respect that will have players do what you ask. And I'm not so sure Francona has that right now.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Aug 5 2004, 11:47 AM

Manny might be in a pissy mood if he was being disciplined all the time....for not running out groundballs, etc

Actually Ramirez has showed tremendous hustle on the baseball diamond. He walked into Francona's office and told him the team needs to quit f***ing around. He was timed running to first in 4 seconds everytime on groundballs. He got back and made that catch against Huff. Hey Nomar, take an example.

[elsrbueno]

Noony,

I want to be on record that there isn't a Red Sox fan alive right now who would like to see a more strict manager MORE than me. I was simply commenting on what was stated above, thinking that some of the players who have been accustomed to walking all over managers since the Jimy Williams era may not take too kindly to having such a drastic change.

 

I think Pedro would probably be the worst culprit here. I think Schilling wants to win badly, and takes the game very seriously. I think Pedro loves the fact that he gets to do whatever he wants....( i.e. leave early, etc).

[sarasoxfan]

Manny has been just dandy--other than the bizarre few games with the hamstring.

 

Manny has cchanged completely from last year, and it shows. He has been pretty damn good for the most part in the field and his arm is surprisingly good. There is no body who can hit like manny and he is an rbi machine. When we win a tight game and all the players jump on whoever scored, no body jumps higher or looks happier than Manny. You watch.

 

Francona is a hapless doof. He would make a great uncle, a great neighbor, or English teacher or even a bench coach or third base coach, ut he is a servile lame brain as manager.

 

Grady was no prize but that team was new together and jelled. This year with all the changes and injuries someone has needed to fire these guys up.

 

lThat is a managers job. Francona is a complete bust on all counts.

[elsrbueno]

I hate how Francona's always talking about how he loves all his players.

 

Listen Terry: It isn't the job of a manager to love his players or make his players love him. It's GET THE JOB DONE. If the job isn't getting done, it's your duty to make sure it gets done.

 

If the people under you don't get the job done, it falls on you to make the necessary decisions in order to fix the problem.

 

Terry, if someone doesn't get lefthanded batters out....DON'T PUT THEM IN AGAINST LEFTIES!!

 

If someone looks like they are tiring: PUT IN SOMEONE ELSE. Who cares if their feelings are hurt. If you win the game, you accomplished your goal for that day.

 

I don't always get my way at work (who does?) but I have confidence that my managers are making the right decisions.

 

How can players have ANY confidence in Terry at this point?

[sarasoxfan]

another banner night. Losing to the devil rays in race...pitiful.

I dont see Francona with any urgency, with any fire, with any effort to fire this bunch up.

 

It's the same old cliche riddled excuses.

 

And why does he have to use embree has anyone but me noticed he just sucks the big one evry time out.

 

This team has taken on the personality of its manager, a lifeless, lethargic buch of stiffs.

 

We cant put three wins together. Meanwhile the O's are on a roll of 7.

 

I know they wont do it, but I pray on Ted William's head I pray that they fire this crappy excuse for a manager.

[sarasoxfan]

Here's one of those sparkling quotes from the manager.

 

I loved our matchup going into the game," said manager Terry Francona. "I think everybody did. It's a funny game. I don't have a good answer."

 

IT'S A FUNNY GAME...Boy, that's inspiring.