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Everything posted by 5GoldGlovesOF,75
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What's almost never stated in all these yearly payroll rankings is how much dead money is being paid to players who aren't even on the roster anymore -- and in cases like Sale's, getting paid by Boston to perform for other clubs. And does anyone doubt an owner like Henry is also aware of the actual big spending his front office talked him into in the past half decade or so that has monumentally flopped? If he is, doesn't there come a point of accountability for all those Assistant Vice Presidents running all the departments that scout, acquire and develop such players?
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Missing from your Top 10 - any starting pitcher. This team has been either too dumb to find a good one, too cheap to sign a great one, or too incompetent to see the difference, based on the mixed results of starters lured from elsewhere: Giolito, Kluber, Richards, Price, Lackey, Dice K, Matt Clement, Matt Young, Mike Torrez, and any of the dozen or so arsons from 2020.
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Fenway fans overpaid to see the Red Sox in person the last three years. I know Tom Warner said they had special discounts for student tickets, but I no longer attend institutes of higher learning. Though even at my ripe old (average MLB fan) age, I'm still a student of the game -- so where's my bargain, Warner Brother?
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I have advocated signing both Fried and Scott, so I'm not disagreeing with your proposal, at all -- just that ownership will even consider outbidding 29 other clubs for either of them. Henry has beat me down about expectations, so my realistic hope for any significant upgrades this offseason is for a blockbuster trade.
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Interesting perspective in that several pitchers picked high by Boston (not just Trey Ball) didn't have very long or successful MLB careers at all -- for whatever reasons: Owens #36 overall, Renaudo #39 overall, Johnson #31 overall... Bad luck, scouting, organizational development, or a mix? After all, Tarik Skubal was a 9th-round pick, 255th overall, by Detroit in 2018...
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The similarities are that both Boston and San Diego needed pitching help, but the Padres got King and Cease -- each now a top-of-the-rotation starter -- only because they traded a generational talent in Juan Soto. It should be noted, though, that the Pads traded a ton to get Soto in the first place, with a package that included big-time prospects Mackenzie Gore, CJ Abrams and James Wood. It seems like the only major changes in Boston will begin when Breslow is finally ready to deal some big- time prospects of his own...
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I'm sure Red Sox fans are drinking their coffee this morning, reading this thread, and thinking, "Whatever happens, I hope ownership doesn't spend hundreds of millions of their own dollars to upgrade our favorite team to make the postseason." "The Sox need to be frugal, and only spend just enough each year to stay in pretension. We're an offseason away from being sustained pretenders!"
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Those of us who rooted for the Red Sox from 1972-78 would pick Tiant as the one starting pitcher to win one game -- winner-take-all -- for any pennant, World Series, or for the fate of the free world... ... and that's over Pedro, Schilling, Beckett or Derek Lowe (and I won't mention anyone else who couldn't even beat those guys or Dave Stewart).
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What Sam Kennedy says in October is utterly meaningless (that's what I'm posting about...) And his last two young genius CBOs both have stuttered from the moments of their hirings. Whenever they tried to sign or make trades for good pitchers, the only thing stainable was their boxers. Dombrowski never has such worries, because he attends the Winter Meetings commando.
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Brez consulted the firing firm that did an audit on the organization, but since they're from from New York, they said keep everyone in place and promote them all to Assistant Vice Presidents asap. This was right before the playoffs called them the other night about a missed play at second base. Ruling: "Wait -- Jazz is a Yankee? HE'S SAFE!"
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When I saw this quote I immediately wondered if Sam meant next offseason -- as in Winter of '25-26 -- since the Red Sox and their fans are already in this offseason... and he's "an offseason away" from this offseason.
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If you were a CBO who knew there was no way you'd be allowed to add three starting pitchers to your rotation (because relying on Giolito to come back -- fulltime, healthy-without-setbacks, and effective -- is like waiting on Paxton/Sale/Fullmer/Ponce de Leon)... would you really rebuild by demoting one of your three inning-eaters?
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Let's just get right down to it: in 2024, no pitcher in the majors gave up more home runs or lost more games than Cutter Crawford. But no one started more games, either. If a starting pitcher makes the most big league starts, then he's a big league starter.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Remember when Sam said, "There is a way we can keep both JD and Mookie"? Unfortunately, they kept Sam instead. -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Second base is where Iglesias mostly played down the stretch in helping the Sox the last time they made the postseason. He hit .356/.915 that last month in 23 games. This year in half a season for the Mets he only hit .337/.850... again, mostly at second base, but also filled in a bit at SS and 3B. -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Ya, they were all set when Kike took over shortstop. I'll bet for every poster who wondered why they wouldn't sign an actual MLB middle infielder last year -- or I dunno, even this year -- there was half a poster who found statistics that showed Iglesias was just no good anymore. No good at fielding, no good at hitting, no good at leading a team to the postseason, no good at singing, nogood-nogood-nogood. -
Cutter Crawford is the perfect player for the current Red Sox: an employee who doesn't make a lot of money for an employer who makes a lot of money and saves a lot of money. Crawford takes a regular turn on the mound so Boston can field a team and sell tickets. What could be better for a team consumed with concessions? (such concessions include, but are not limited to, the following: uniformed management's concessions using a roster that can't qualify for the postseason; fan's concessions expecting a front office to sufficiently upgrade the roster; and ownership's concessions at Fenway that remain overpriced, taste like crap and sell like hot takes).
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Hey, I saw all three of those players on my postseason TV, just last night! ... along with Schwarber, of course, and another guy who the Red Sox decided they didn't need anymore -- Jose Iglesias. Yes, the Red Sox, who featured some of the worst middle infield combos in baseball the past three years... Yes, Iglesias, the scourge of analytics departments like Boston's that just can't seem to calibrate a statistic that encapsulates the dugout and clubhouse contributions of solid veteran character leadership in a pennant race. -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Reports that Sox will focus on a free agent starter over relievers are from McCaffrey from The Athletic, and Sox beat men (who at least quoted her). As for your #2 point, I still don't see how a prospect with zero MLB at bats can be worth more than an MLB star hitter in his prime with four more years of control. If Anthony turns out to be a bust, two more years of zero stardom isn't "real value" -- not compared to a big leaguer with 8.5 WAR in one year or 8.5 combined in those extra two years. Jarren Duran has real value right now. All Red Sox prospects are Bobby Dalbec until proven otherwise. -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Reports lean towards the Sox signing a free agent starter, instead of trying to be top bidders for this winter's available bullpen arms. I'll believe either when it actually happens. But trading a left-handed hitting veteran or two has to be inevitable if they want to make room on the diamond for top prospects. The part I'm confused about is why anyone thinks any Boston minor leaguer will bring back better returns than Duran, who barely makes MLB minimum wage with four more years of control and is already a proven big league star. -
"But it made sense at the time"... ...for the Red Sox -- whose entire starting rotation consisted of three young pitchers rotating their heads back and forth at each other -- to offer a guy with a borderline 5.00 ERA the past two years both a ton of money AND an opt-out to seek presumably even more from other clubs... JUST IN CASE HE WAS GOOD IN BOSTON.... ... because, as the front office expects out of gullible fandom, why would anyone EXPECT that the Sox would want to pay market value to keep an actually good pitcher around on a bad pitching staff? Ya, that makes sense, never.
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Maybe nothing. Fans just aren't privy to every single reason behind manager decisions -- especially the unspoken ones hidden from the public. Some have to do with undisclosed injuries teams are trying to keep quiet. Others have to do with personality conflicts over incidents clubs absolutely need to keep secret, for PR or even out of respect for those involved. We do know this about Cora: he flat out refuses to play Yoshida in the field again, maybe ever. As for shifting Devers to first base, maybe Raffy told him he can't hit if he can't play his favorite position at third base. Or maybe Cora actually did try Raffy at first base in a private practice, and he was so bad he tripped over the bag every time. Or maybe Raffy refused the move, and threatened AC with posting all those late-night pics of him from the '18 team party if pushed.

