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And to think most Sox fans were all excited when we got him. If only some of us saw the 4 year decline, if only we saw the data on overweight players starting to decline 4 years earlier on average, if only the saw the front office was panicking....if only. But no, Pablo was such a great CLUTCH PLAYER!!!! Ok I'm sorry, I'm done being a dick.....but what really angers me is the next Pablo. There will come a time when there is a free agent we have to have and it too will be a horrible ideal. I've been a strong advocate for years of building a team from within and having patience and periodically through out the last few years there have been outcrys to trade almost every player from this team. Bogaerts is over rated and doesn't belong at SS we should have traded him while he had value!!!! Betts can't hit MLB pitching his value has crashed trade him!!!! JBJ will never hit MLB pitching, we held onto him for too long!!! Wright is a knuckle baller and doesn't belong in the league. Shaw should be packaged up for Mike Trout (ok...maybe a bit too sarcastic). If some forum arm chair GM fans ran this team....we'd have no young talent, a 250 million dollar payroll littered with Pablo Sandovals.

Wow, I didn't realize some of you guys were conspiracy theorists.

The nature of Pablos injury is no mystery at all and the fact that we don't know more is purely because we are not his doctor. There is nothing extraordinary or peculiar about that. Injuries are just as often not caused by some acute injury, they can often be brought on slowly from every day wear and tear from things such as sitting at your desk or walking with poor gait patterns. The smallest of things can be causing muscular imbalances that one day can lead to soft tissue injuries for seemingly no reason at all. I don't think there are really any questions to be asked that aren't based in some irrational belief that something sinister is going on. Again, why on earth would Pablo and his agent sign off on having surgery if they didn't need it??? would you do that for your job? Their really is zero logic there

I agree that scouting the stat line is a horrible ideal, especially when it is a small sample size and other things are not taken into account. Luck can have a huge factor, age to the level etc. Margot is about 6 years younger than the average AAA player. He's hitting the ball and has an insanely small SO rate, I suspect more power will come when the weather warms up. He's still just 21. Devers also has the lowest BABIP in the Sox system and his K and BB numbers are actually very very good and he's been hitting a lot of line drives. He's literally been hitting the ball at everyone and has had a bad bought of luck. Devers could also spend all year in Salem and still be one of the youngest players next year but I'd be willing to be he mashes the ball by seasons end. I'd actually put more faith in Devers hitting ability than Margot and I've heard from scouts who have actually seen him at the plate and not in a box score that he's getting much better at bats than his stat line would suggest. I would never put too much stock into the stats of A ballers who are 19-21 in early May.

I have a hard time believing Pablo would go along with that, and injuries can be very random and weird. I remember I tore my ACL once after I had been resting for months. I was literally squating up to 400 LB's for a month and when I got into my busy season I didn't get to work out as much but I was still getting some light cardio in 4-5 days a week. I tore my ACL literally getting up off the ground and just standing up. Perhaps it was injured from before and it was about to go any day who knows but that could make sense for Panda as well. Who knows exactly when or how it happen but odds are it wasn't just one movement that could have led to it...he could have had a small tear in it a year ago that has progressively become worse. Also, from his perspective he has zero incentive to get surgery if he didn't need to so I think the fact that he's having surgery confirms that he really was injured.

missed location, 2-run home run to tie the game in the top of the 9th???

If there is one thing Boston fans love it's a good comeback. Remember how quickly our love for Lackey came when he had that great year in 2013??? I was against the Pablo signing and won't get my hopes up but I sure would love to root for the guy.

This. I might be able to buy a phantom injury to send a guy down as it has allegedly happened before. But no player and his agent would ever sign off on having surgery if you didn't need it. The fact that he had surgery validates that he really did have a shoulder problem. Perhaps the rehab he will have to endure to come back will actually help him get back into shape and he can return to some level of productivity next year. It's plausible!!!!

This, but we do need to realize that the regulars on this board don't know and in their eyes we are just as guilty and to an extent we are. If he comes here and continues to be a troll then I'm sure he will either be banned (I'm not sure what the criteria is here to be banned) or he will just become well known as the local troll. I just blocked him.

Last year Bogaerts had 8 defensive runs saved while Iggy had 7.6. Bogaerts did get more innings though and Iggy had a UZR/150 of 3.1 to Bogaerts .9. Iggy is clearly the better defender but not by much. I think the gap between Bogaerts offense being better is bigger than the gap of Iggy's defense being better. When you add to the equation that Iggy has had injury problems in the past and seems to disappear in the 2nd half I think Bogaerts is clearly the better and more well rounded player.

Ok, I apologize, I'm done. I've identified babe for who he is...I'll step away.

Yes, which has nothing to do with what I said. You said 24/7 not me, I don't care if it's 24/5 2/7 8/24. That has nothing to do with my point...literally...nothing. Are you referring to the fact that other posters might spend more time in here than you? because that would make sense seeing how a Red Sox fan might have more time invested in talking about the Red Sox than Yankees troll might have in trolling but make no mistake you're a traveling troll. It's official.

yes in 12 innings pitched, I'm sure he's doomed for a lifetime ERA of 8.53 VS the Yankees.

Hmmm, I didn't realize I would have to spell it out for you. You posted on the BDC forum frequently, you were a yankees fan, you came to incite debate. BDC is shutting down, now you come here. You're a nomadic troll, congratulations!!!!

Not crying about it buddy, I'm merely pointing out the facts of the situation. I enjoy the comic relief your ridiculousness brings sometimes.

bingo dat!!!!

Says the man who trolls other teams boards....and then follows them to another forum. I mean hey! to each their own, but I find that an interesting way to explore the world out there!!!

If this is the same "babe" who followed over from the BDC boards....you will learn he doesn't read much. He's a Yankee troll.

Alex Rodriguez.

I've been following the Sox system for a long time and I've been following Owens since he was drafted in 2011. Everything I remember from him had him in the 88-90 range, even when I saw him in Portland 3 years ago he was throwing around 89 the whole game and hit 91 a couple times. He's hit 92-93 on the gun in the past when he's really reached back but he's pitching right where he always has. His velocity can play up because it has deception, but it all goes out the window when he can't spot the fastball, as we've seen before.

I have no doubt Owens will get his swings and misses tonight. My concern is if his control isn't there that this team makes him pay when he puts guys on base. Right now Owens is the type of pitcher who can pitch to this team if he's on....but a team like the White Sox will make him pay a lot more than NY did if he is all over the place.

Well if we are going by bWAR I think Bogaerts just surpassed him last night. At this pace if Bogaerts plays another 156 games this year he will have a 9 bWAR and a 9.6 fWAR.

Price peripherals suggest that he's had some bad luck. The strike outs and low walks are there, so I'd be very surprised if he doesn't pitch like an ace for most of the season. Clay is back!!! but probably not for the rest of the season. Porcello is the one who I'm hoping is for real, and this was a guy who got better every single year up until last year. At 27 perhaps last year was the anomaly and he is becoming the #2 we were sold on him becoming. Depth is important and we will need it at some point, so hopefully Owens can improve his command and E-Rod can get better too.

I wouldn't say "heck yes" both are prospects who could outhit him if they hit their ceiling. But not only are both of them only in A ball but Swihart could still grow with the bat as well. Swihart was rushed to the majors last year due to an injury, and as a catcher probably focused on defense more than offense coming up, he may have more in his bat than a lot think. Still, as someone with the potential he's had it makes very little sense to move him to LF if he has a ton more value behind the plate. To me the only thing that makes the shoe fit....is if they're trying to fit Swihart into their future plans.

Scouts often use the 20-80 scale when evaluating a players tools or as an overall rating. 50 is considered average, Owens has a 70 change up and 40 command, JBJ has a 70-75 arm, Ortiz has 70 power, Pedroia has a 60 hit tool, Stanton has 80 power, for example (these are obviously debatable). A prospect getting a 70 or above is a pretty big deal. They are pretty much saying you should be an all star caliber player.