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I follow the minor leagues twice as much as the big league club, I read every article on BA, BP, FG, anything from Law, Cooper, Mayo, Sickels, badler and many more. I'm not some Joe just reading MiLb box scores forming an opinion. That's 1 guy, 1 scout slapping a 70 on him, and correct me if I'm wrong it that was just on his hit tool. One scout on one tool? Sox prospects had an 80 slapped on Bogaerts, and I always trust them more on sox players because they have more eyes on our own guys. Benitendi is a consensus top 25 guy while Bogaerts was #2. If scouts thought Benitendi was an all around 70 player he'd be a consensus top 5, top 3 player in all of baseball.
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Im going to repeat myself here because this point can't be stressed enough. No team is going to trade away an ACE for 6 B level prospects when you have 3-4 blue chippers at the top of your organization. Also QTY almost never makes up for quality. If I had Sale or Thor I'm asking for your top 4, and I wouldn't even consider taking 20 Kopechs in replace of that. Also supply of RP isn't higher than demand, elite RP at least. If anything the trade market and FA market reflect the demand is going up. And the Rangers package for Hamels did include top prospects. But if Hamels was 5-6 years younger and making pennies that package would have to be doubled in value. Apples to Oranges when talking about bringing in young cost controlled elite arms.
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Baloney! Bogaerts reached MLB and had a .900 ops in playoffs as a 20 year old. You don't do that if you're just good with bat but can play short. I get and agree that all things considered a SS that can hit is more valuable than another position player. But we are comparing a SS to a CFer not a corner outfielder, or a first baseman. Also Bogaerts was regarded as having an elite bat coming up for any position, hence the consensus top 5 prospect status and reaching of MLB by age 20. It's not like the margin is huge between the two players. But making a statement that I must be on a different planet to say Bogaerts had a higher ceiling than Benintendi at his age is ludicrous. Bogaerts helped the Sox win a World Series while Benitendi hasn't done anything above A-ball. Now it's not Benny's fault the Sox held him back a tad and I think he's a stud but Bogaerts mastered A ball when he was 18-19. And if we do put in defense (which we should) and we make the argument current the chasm widens. Because Bogaerts is doing it at the MLB level and playing above average SS.
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Centerfield is pretty important too, and there was a much larger consensus that Bogaerts couldn't stick at SS and would have to move to 3rd. I follow the minors more than the majors, I read just about every scouting organization there is. Anyone who has paid attention to milb talent the past few years will tell you Bogaerts had more hype. You want proof? #2 prospect in baseball, people were saying he had an MVP ceiling in 2013, people are saying Benitendi has an ALL star ceiling. Now maybe Bogaerts power never comes and Benintendi exceeds Bogaerts. But Bogaerts had a perceived higher ceiling in 2013 than Benitendi does now. And I'd argue Bogaerts still does.
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You're not getting an ACE for QTY, I feel like this debate was had over at BDC every year. Those types of trades never happen. Qty does not make up for quality, the other team isn't living in a world where the Redsox can figure out how to not give up Bogaerts Betts, and if the situation dictates a prospect package you better believe you're giving up 2 of Devers, Benintendi, Espinoza, Moncada plus two from your list.
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No we wouldn't, if anything Benintendi is more heralded as an up the middle defender and Bogaerts was considered an offense first SS. This is 2016 and you have google, it's not a secret. When Bogaerts was at this stage of his development he was younger than Benintendi and the #2 prospect in all of baseball. Benintendi is a really really really highly regarded prospect but 2013 Bogaerts > 2016 Benintendi all day. Andrew has the #7 pick expectations that never came with Xander. If a 20 year old Xander entered the draft as an eligible sophomore I think he'd be a consensus #1 pick.
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Has there ever been a 6 or 7 player swap for one guy? I dont' think we can make up for quality with QTY. If you want a high quality player you have to give up quality. Trades are supposed to hurt for both teams, the other side has to think they are winning the trade.
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Of course this is assuming that the Mets want the trade off of hitting for pitching. They might not want that, and they might want to move prospects for hitting to keep their pitching core in tact.
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Young cost controlled ace starters on teams that are in "win now" mode don't get traded. The only way this is plausible is if the Mets think they can trade off pitching for hitting in which case they are 100% going to demand back MLB talent. In other words, a guy like Bogaerts is going to have to headline the trade. Now a prospect package might be feasible on a last place team but not for a team that was just in the world series last year and has aspirations to compete going forward. I think something like Bogaerts/Devers/Owens/Buchholz gets it done.
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Planet earth.
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Because some people got it in there heads Young was horrible after a few games because they like to look at things like BA, he will be hated for a long time I forsee. I suppose if the team is so good all you can complain about is the platoon/4th outfielder then things must be going pretty good.
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At this point in the 2013 season Bogaerts was in Portland, but he had 100 games under his belt...not 3. Also I think Bogaerts had/has a higher offensive ceiling than someone like Benintendi who is more of a moderately high ceiling high floor guy. I'm not saying he can't do it, but if he's going to be there in October he has to be there in August and we are assuming he's going to jump 2 more levels in 2 months after only playing 3 games above A ball.
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This is a very accurate assessment in my opinion. While I definitely see a path for him to the majors this year my money would be against it.
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When Benintendi gets promoted to Boston later this year we should title a thread with the wording "And now his watch begins"
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He's MLB ready!!! Promote him now!!!
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Like I said, BABIP can be a skill...but I highly doubt half the team is going to BABIP close to .400 the whole year. Hard contact, good contact, and hitting line drives can definitely increase your BABIP over the long run but even then it's very hard to maintain those numbers. Think of it this way.....those 4 guys have a higher average on balls in play of close to .100 than David Ortiz. If they do keep this up then we could have a close to a historic season offensively on our hands and we will all be salivating at the mouth with joy come October. Which I hope to be doing.
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Nope, we don't. I never said Sam Travis has to be that guy only that he isn't....and that should be fine on a well constructed team. If the overall offense is great all around why go out and spend $20 million plus on a first baseman? I get that it's relatively an easy position to fill and it's ideal to put a big bopper there but everything is relative and I think it could certainly make sense to have a guy like Sam Travis (assuming he can do in MLB what he's done in the minors) at first base. And who knows....maybe he does grow into a little bit more power.
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He's a 27 year old with poor defense and a MiLB track record at AAA for about 5 seasons. He could OPS 1.000 right now and his trade value wouldn't be much more than what it is now.
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I like Sam Travis bat a lot, there is definitely a MLB hitter in there but I don't think his power is ever going to be what people expect it to be. He hits the ball very hard but he just doesn't have a HR swing, he's a line drive guy and he's hit at least 3 laser shot HR's this year that would easily be wall ball singles at Fenway. There's nothing wrong with that and he is going to be valuable but I just don't see a perennial 30/100 guy in him like a Goldschmidt or an Ortiz. Now, he could be the rare type that is able to make some adjustments and alter his swing to add power to his game but that seems to flame more guys out and create more busts than it helps (Think Garrin Cecchini). Honestly I'd be fine with what Sam Travis potentially will bring to the big leagues. I think he can be a .280 hitter .800 OPS guy with about 12-15 HR's.
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He's a Buuuuuuuum. I can't believe we wasted the #7 pick on him. Who is going to play LF in August now???
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I think if you focus on trying to replace Ortiz with one person at DH you're going to spend a ton of money for one position for a guy who doesnt' play the field and nothing on pitching. I think the reality is you can't replace a guy like Ortiz. You focus on putting together a good all around baseball team and if you do that you won't need to replace Ortiz.
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25% K rate 0% B rate. He's batting .000/.000/.000 with zero power. Obviously the Sox have rushed him.
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Bust!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kelly should get the nod before Erod.
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Trey Ball had a good night. 6 1/3 innings with 10 K's. 5 hits and 2 BB's. Four of the hits were singles and he had 4/1 GO/FO. Also reportedly his velocity has returned this spring as well. I still haven't given up on Ball developing into a good middle of the rotation starter.