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Supposedly we offered $300 Mil over 10 years and that was refused. If that truly happened,, I think we went with a high risk offer but even that was not enough. Mookie was probably leaving anyway and we got the best deal we could under the circumstances.
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If they are honestly trying to get in a full season, it may be June before we see many fans at ball parks. The way virus shots are being distributed, when will herd immunity be obtained? No fans mean the owners will be pleading poverty again so it's bound to impact cba negotiations.
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It's sensible to let the guy go if he has a chance of playing in the majors for another team while he only represents depth for us at best. I had him as a utility infielder, who could fill in at 2nd, short and third. We have others so we let him go.
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He wasn't saying it was the only factor, but it is one of many. Contract offered, weather, location of family, etc. will all bear upon where they go but if I was making a choice, I would opt for a winning organization if all other things were close to equal.
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Life can be hard. We have to be thankful for what blessing we receive. He had many good years and he earned what he was able to accomplish.
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He would have been a good utility guy for the Sox, but they are moving on.
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Milky toast GM over his head and overmatched
oldtimer replied to Swiharts Ghost's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
It's a good thing other posters are not as alarmist as you are. I agree with Jackson---. Bloom is doing a good job of bringing the team back into contention and will make value moves to make that happen. There is a lot of harm that has to be undone. I do expect several more solid moves before the season starts and one more this coming week. The Sox will be far more respectable in 2021 and start to be seen as a serious contender in 2022. -
Have patience. Perez was added and we will probably sign another starter very soon. Yes the BP needs help and there are still CF, possibly LF and 2nd base to deal with. I don't believe this is the year to compete at the highest level, but I do expect a much more competitive team.
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The Sox made an offer but Kluber probably thought the Yankees would give him a better chance to be on a winning team. He would have been correct to think that. That is just another hurtle for Bloom to overcome. I like your optimism. The Sox are working to get better and I believe some moves will be made this coming week.
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I believe we will see a Red Sox move by the end of next week. Beni is hanging out there and the Sox have talks on going in several areas.
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Trading Beni for pitching prospects strengthens our minors and also reduced our payroll by $6.6Mil per year. We lose an average defensive player with little pop and an awful performance since Aug 2019. Will he return to a better than average hitter? Maybe but I wouldn't count on it. Taking his salary and using it with a few Mil more we ought to be able to get a replacement LF with equal defense, more pop and less doubts. To me it is about making improvements with each move we make.
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I have been expecting an attempt to trade Beni. If Bloom can find reasonable value, which is a big if, he would be losing an average defensive outfielder who is questionable offensively going forward. What is not questionable is that Beni has little pop and the Sox have had a closer look at him than any of us have had. They appear to have concluded that they can do better in LF and that is while CF is still wide open. It would probably be best for Beni as well to get a fresh start for a new team.
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What ever happened to players making ML debuts at 17 or even 16 year olds? There were some of those in the 40's and 50's. Our own Jim Pagliaroni made a cameo debut as a 17 yo but didn't stick until he was around 20. Now we have players 24 and 25 and a lot of contributors here say they need more development time. Is it because we don't have talent in the minors. Devers was the youngest we have brought up recently. The Padres brought up Tatis a little younger.
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Beni is on the trade block since Sox management don't project him as a sure bet to have a good 2021. Regardless of what happens with Beni, the Sox still need a CF. Renfroe was brought in as a right hand power hitter, since our entire outfield were lefties, and he can fill that bill for us. From my understanding Renfroe can play left of right field. I am hoping Bloom makes other moves soon so we can see where we are headed.
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The Sox are no doubt floating a lot of names out there. Beni is an obvious one since he had a sub par 2019 and started 2020 in a funk. Maybe some GM would value him high enough to get a good return in relief pitching, but it is just another case of the Sox looking for ways to improve the team. The Sox do need a CF as well as pitching, so there is much to do and time is getting shorter. Players are reluctant to take bargain contracts and owners are watching expenditures so the market will continue to be slow. We don't really know when the season will start, so that also is weighing on player and owner decision making. If Beni returns to decent form is anyone's guess. I'm not as optimistic as you are but agree that it is possible.
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The Sox are testing the waters and hope to find a combination, including Beni, that will get us meaningful relief pitching.
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Agreed, certainly nothing over 4 years.
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Who should the Sox have play CF on opening day?
oldtimer replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
That would violate Bloom's stated approach and as a result I think grabbing either is highly unlikely. -
Our next target of interest is Sugano. I understand that decision will come by Jan 7th. The Mets are reportedly in the lead, but we are in there as well. He would fit our needs very well.
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To me the extreme length of the contract was even more of an issue than the yearly dollar amount. I'd like to see how baseball execs handle and monetize risk in long term contract situations.
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If you advocate signing Kim, who looks like a nice asset, how would you then handle Downs? Trade or keep for what purpose?
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The approach to getting rid of deadwood included a time stipulation. One year of poor performance might get you put on notice but not fired. So it comes down to judgment. Is a players upside worth taking a chance on?
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I'll agree with the idea that we could still use an outfielder, either from trade, FA or within the organization. The corollary to that is hat we need to be willing to let go of those that aren't performing by replacing them with the new additions who we hope will perform better. In my prior work life we operated a fairly hard ass personnel policy that identified the A, B and C players with the dictate of replacing C players in order to improve our competitiveness. I see something like that approach being used on baseball roster. I tend to be a little old school in that I like the idea of loyalty by both managers and players, although there is not much of that around these days. Even so, the team needs to get rid of dead wood and I believe under Bloom, we will do just that. Not something where we snap our fingers and it all gets done, but more a steady approach where each move is done either of necessity or to directly improve the team. I expect to see substantial activity in January and February.
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Be interesting to learn what the Rangers had to pay to obtain and middle to bottom of the rotation starter.
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The Sox made a strong offer for Kanhle but lost. He is not available to pitch this season. Kind of indicates what the club is thinking.