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Yes. I'm glad you brought him up. Did he pout, dog it and moan when moved?- 827 replies
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You make unfounded assumptions about Devers ability to play 1B. Yes, Casas was easy to improve on on D. Your idea that he was doomed to hit .550 forever is unfounded, too. What made Devers a really bad 3Bman was his arm. he was okay with the glove and quickness, and 1B is easier. Sure, Devers may have struggled, but i dont assume he'd suck like you do. Maybe he hits better, because his main beef was he wanted to be "on the field." Nobody knows, and neither of us can assume anything. Not Casas sucking all year, not Devers batting worse as a 1Bman. To me, there is no evidence that shows being a DH helped Devers hit better. None.
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We can hope, but you really want to expect Anthony to be Devers, year 1?
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This is a tired old narrative, and I never fell for it. DH did not make Devers a better hitter. He was better, last year, before the injury and had a better year way back when as a 3Bman. To me, Cora made a mistake, if he told Devers he was going to DH only. With Casas being a china doll, he should have had some foresight. So freakin what! Bloom promised Devers 3B for longer than it lasted. Things change in baseball, and no player is above it. I dont care if Cora promised Devers $100M, if he ever played anything but DH. That does not matter. We needed him to play 1B, and the fact that Toro & Romy ended up doing fine does not change what Devers did, and how Devers backed Cora into a corner then dogged it more than once, which was total disrespect to Cora, the team and the fans. I'm all for giving people a second chance, but to me, Devers used up his second and 3rd chances in just a few short months. Bye bye.
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No Woa. The guy was dogging it- more than once. Cora bent over backwards to not pressure Devers to play 1B, as his boss was pushing, and Devers had him rolling his eyes by dogging it and pouting. I've been in Devers corner for years, but the eye rolling said it all to me. Am I happy we traded our best player for future assets and nebulous financial flexibility for some unknown later time? HELL NO! Can we ever replace his bat? Not likely. Does this look like a 3rd down punt? Yes. I'm not sure it was a bad idea, though.
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Yes, and Devers was thriving at the plate at 3B, too. Dh was not what made him a hitter.
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Yes, but there was more than just less smiling and team closeness. Devers was dogging it and hurting the team morales and example setting went out the window. YES.
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When was he asked?
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Hicks was the money part of the trade, but $12M x 3 is a drop in the Devers bucket. This was about dumping salary and poor attitude while adding young talent.
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I think that really pissed off Cora who bent over backwards to not pressure Devers to play 1B. That, and the lack of smiling and team togetherness feelings Devers was avoiding.
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He was becoming a clubhouse issue, likely over money, but there was also the injury issue that was thought to be non baseball related or even a fake injury as he pouted.
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I'd hate that trade, and not just because we have 17 OF'ers.
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Well said, Illi.
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I'm not sure even Nostraldumbass can predict what JH will spend, but I won't be surprised if he does or does not spend to the tax line, this coming winter.
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Harmony, thanks. I don't have access to BTV, so can you let us Sox fans know what Sox prospects or young players have the value of the guys we got back (about $20M value.) Thanks. Maybe this will explain some of the reasoning to Sox fans who have an idea of what our young players are worth.
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If this happened during the winter, we could expect immediate spending of the money "saved." The timing is all off. Plus, now we will be hearing Red say, "See, big deals can be made in May and June" forever and ever. Damn! (LOL)
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I've wanted Devers to try 1B for over 3 years. Is it Cora's fault? Maybe. Bloom and Brez's fault? Maybe. Devers fault? maybe. Everyone's fault? Likely. Now, it's all water under the Tobin Bridge.
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You keep assuming Casas was going to hit .550 the rest of the season. Also, when the talk of Devers playing 1B began, which was actually before this year, but let's go with the day Casas got hurt, we did not know Toro-Romy as a viable solution. Devers was a clear option to play 1B, despite your belief that he'd suck there. His glove and range were not the issue at 3B; it was his arm. It's all moot, now. I still bet we see Casas as the 2026 1Bman- not Toro-Romy, but we may trade Casas by then.
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I agree, and it seems like they didn't even bother to ask or tell Devers to play 1B, They just chose to move on from him.
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As always, very well said, oldtimer. You said it all. I can't disagree with a single word. I'm sure this trade will go on to be discussed as much or more than the Betts trade, but I'm not sure much more can be added.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
We agree on this. By the time Bregman returns, maybe KC has reasserted himself as a ML hitter, and the choice will be harder to make. Now that the DH slot is open, there is another option for KC to play 70-80% or more. -
I do think it's highly doubtful this is a precursor to a Skenes like trade, but adding Harrison and 2 good prospects does make it easier to part with prospects to get him, when you consider how much we seem to value the youth movement. There is a chance PIT likes Harrison more than any pitching prospect we could offer. (Slight- I agree.)
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Harrison is not a prospect. He was in 2024. He pitched in MLB in 2023, 2024 and 2025. He started 24 games, last year, and the same amount of GS's as Crochet going into 2025. The numbers posted are vastly different, but I have to think the Sox see something in this 23 year old. He has a career 4.48 ERA, 4.56 FIP (4.30 this year) and a 1.297 WHIP. (8.8 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9) I have serious doubts. This looks like a total salary dump and or attitude dump. The timing seems strange.
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If you look at value for dollar, Devers wasn't even worth a bag of used balls, but the guy had tremendous value in our line-up. As MVP said, that is irreplaceable. This almost like signing Story before letting Bogey walk. We signed Bregman, then traded Devers. It's like the Nomat trade, too, as mentioned, already. We aren't going to replace the money, this summer, so this sure looks like a punt on 2025, unless some other blockbuster is in teh works, where we flip Harrison and prospects for Skenes, but that is doubtful.
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The two prospects have been named: James Tibbs (1B/OF) 1st rd pick in 2024 and doing very well in A+ (almost equal BBs and Ks) Good Hit and Power tools, according to MLBTR. Jose Bello (RHP) is relatively unknown, but has K'd 41% of his batters faced in 18 IP of rookie ball. He is from the D.R. As I mentioned, harrison was a top 25 nationally ranked prospect in 2024, before graduating from prospect status. There could be something here that works out very well, but it is almost all specualtion and not proven values we got back.
