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Maybe there's more to it than think Devers MIGHT provide more than Lin/Marrero at this point. They might be thinking Pablo will get one more shot after his DL stint, so why call up Devers now? They may think Devers is not ready to face ML pitching, or he needs to work on one major issue before being "ready". They may be factoring in his years of service and trying to maximize control of his prime years by age. It may be a combination of several factors that is keeping him from being thought of as "ML ready" by Sox management. There's even a small chance they think he is ML ready, but want to wait a while longer anyways.
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Thanks for this insightful and encouraging post.
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Sad.
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I have always liked Price the pitcher. He has not done very well in Boston compared to his first 8 years in MLB. I thought we overpaid for Price, but at least we didn't lose prospects or draft picks doing so. I thought Price was the best available SP'er in several years, except for maybe Scherzer (in foresight only). I was fine with the signing. I expected a little better production, so far, but I still think he can bounce back to pre-Boston performance levels. I hope the media spat hasn't poisoned his attitude to the point that it affects his productivity.
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I didn't mean to imply you were assuming Smith will be back. I just think our pen will need Kelly next year. Smith and Thornburg are question marks- even after they get healthy.
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I think we're grasping at straws with Peralta, but I guess the more straws- the better chance you have at finding someone at least at replacement player level.
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True, but isn't saying we should call Devers up now or should have already done so saying you think the Sox FO is wrong on this one decision?
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I don't see him as blocked. I don't want him traded. I'm not sure, if he can ever play 3B well enough to stick, but some here think not ever. If Devers works out, then we won't need him at 3B anyways. If DD is thinking this way, maybe he makes Chavis available to try and get a larger upgrade at 3B than I think is needed.
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All Price has to do is pitch a couple gems and the media will shut up (at least until his next bad start).
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Yes, and I seriously doubt the Sox top brass thinks Devers is ML ready but are holding him back to gain a year of service. Too much is riding on the success of this year's team. The window is short- perhaps 2-3 more years after this one. If Devers was ready, he'd be here now, IMO.
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I would not trade Kelly. I'd say he's our back-up closer. We don't know how well Smith will pitch when he returns. (Note: He hasn't even touched a ball in 10 days. He may not return this year.) If we trade anyone, it will be prospects for a proven 3Bman or SP'er. Kelly would be someone you trade to a contender.
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Look how this town changed its opinion on Lackey after his great season. I think Price could do the same with a great finish this year or a near CY Young season next year. I hope he wins the Cy Young next year and opts out. (Highly doubtful.)
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The same pro-rated min salary Devers would be making if he was called up.
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Thanks, so Devers has already passed the super two date for this year and would not lose a year, if he is called up now. Perhaps the Sox are looking to call him up after 60 days of the 2018 season.
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Note: Bogey ranked 49th out of 49 3Bmen from 2013-2014 in 3B UZR/150 at -31.8. That's Pabloesque! Pablo ranks 52nd out of 52 in UZR/150 from 2015-2017 (-21.8). The lack of much 3B practice might account for some of Bogey's shortcomings at 3B but not all of it.
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His history is bad, but he was only given 10 games at 3B before the call-up. He only ended up with just over 400 innings at 3B from 2013-2014, so it's kind of hard to judge. Your point is well taken. Going from 18th out of 20 at SS to #1 might not outweigh the loss we get on defense at 3B by too much. My hope would be that Bogey could improve more at 3B than he has shown at SS, but that could be a baseless hope, and if it ticks off Bogey, the scales tip the other way. Again, I am not for trading for Iggy or moving Bogey to 3B this year. I will say, I'd rather have Iggy at 3B than Lin/Marrero, but I wouldn't trade much to get him as a 3Bman.
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Well said. I think we either bring Devers up when we know we won't lose a year of control or make a minor trade for decent 3B rental.
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Now, I hear it's on his throwing hand, so the "pansy" label might be too harsh.
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Nobody "misses" a single A prospect in the here and now, but Espi's trade value and tremendous upside potential staying in our system are not something you really "miss" years ahead of his ETA. I could be very wrong about Espi. Our system has had far too many flame outs over recent years, but we've never had a pitcher in the system so young and so highly ranked. Yes, the young part makes his value highly speculative, but that doesn't mean the value is not real and substantial, even if in a later, possible, subsequent, larger package trade.
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When looking at Iggy, the comp should not be Iggy vs Bogey or other SSs, it should be about Iggy vs our current 3B situation. Clearly, Iggy at SS and Bogey at 3B is better than Bogey SS and Marrero/Lin 3B. We gain on offense (60+ points in OPS) and the improvement in SS defense, IMO would outweigh the drop in 3B defense due mainly to the sheer volume of plays at SS vs 3B, and Iggy's range is tremendous, which would allow Bogey to play a half step closer to the 3b bag.
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Shaw was my "sleeper prospect" many years ago, but I guess I never really saw him as an answer to 3B. I saw him as a plus fielding 1Bman who might never hit well enough to play 1B FT. I liked the trade, more out of my perception that our pen was our weakest (no weak) link. We had lost Uehara, Ziegler and Taz, and there was no way to know that Kelly's one good month to end the 2016 season was going to continue. Also, I don't think anyone expected Kimbrel to pitch like he did with the Braves. Barnes and Hembree and others have all done better. In hindsight, the trade looks "unbelievably horrible" right now, but let's wait and see how Shaw finishes out the season. The Thornburg injury was not really foreseeable, but when judging by hindsight, GMs often look bad.
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I think we could call Devers up before September and not lose a year of control in his prime. I'm not sue how many days he can be on the ML club before we lose the year. Anyone know?
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No, but he's number one in SS defense this year according to fangraphs while Bogey is 18th out of 25. His .620 OPS this year is not very good, but it's over 60 points better than our .558 3B OPS this year. No joke!
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I totally agree. It's not happening this year. It's extremely unlike over this winter as well.
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Great post. I'd add Beni was considered "rushed" by some and seems to be doing fine at a much needed, super low budget cost.
