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No doubt.
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...and/or try to keep a strong farm that continuously stock the 25 man roster with cost-effective stars that limit the amount of chances you have to take on big free agents. Most big free agents end up coming way short of expectations- quite a bit do from day one. Still. it's hard to imagine how the current Sox team can significantly improve next year without signing some impact free agents. We need a huge boost at 1B or two moderate boosts at two positions. We can probably sign someone pretty good to play 1B on a one-year deal, but how much "impact" can we expect from Morrison, Duda, Alonso or bringing Moreland back? Then, maybe sign a 4th OF'er that could DH some to a 1-3 year deal, but who? We could try to add pitching, but we already have 25 man roster crunches, so what we really need is a very good pitcher who represents a significant upgrade over what we have. That will be costly. It's a Catch-22. Damned if we do- damned if we don't.
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Yes, at one time Beckett was on pace for being one of MLB's legendary "money pitchers." I didn't blame Theo for extending him, but the fact is, it was a bad move. Ben inherited two big duds and learned nothing from it. He then left DD two new duds all of his own.
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Ben swapped Pablo and HRam for CC and Beckett. You never give the same thanks to Theo. Ben clearly screwed up- more than once. No doubt. He did, however, leave a lot of top prospects for DD to deal away- something Theo didn't leave as much of to DD.
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At least Ben was able to dump the albatrosses he inherited (Crawford & Beckett), although it took giving up AGon. Trading AGon actually worked out well, as he quickly declined, and the guys we have chosen to play 1B have largely outplayed AGon since the trade. The Pablo contract is killing us right now. Nineteen million dollars would make our winter spending budget a lot easier to manage. HRam still has a chance to contribute next year. I hope the surgery helps him come close to what he is (was) capable of producing.
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I doubt he wanted to play LF. I'm just guessing, but I think he'd have preferred 3B, since he had played there before.
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Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery
moonslav59 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
His defense is easy to forget. -
I've been thinking more and more about Upton. He's passed Moustakas and Santana on my list. 1. JD Martinez 2. Stanton 3. Upton 4. Santana 5. Moustakas 6. Morrison/Duda plus Bruce or some other good 4th OF'er. If we could get Upton and Santana, we might be pretty well set-up. We could trade JBJ, Johnson and Hembree for a starting pitcher. 1. Bogey SS 2. Betts RF 3. Beni CF 4. Upton LF 5. Santana 1B 6. Devers 3B 7. HRam DH 8. Pedey 2B (Hernandez/Holt/Lin) 9. Vaz C Bench: Leon, Hernandez, Lin and Travis/Marrero (Swihart/Castillo/Mars) SP: Sale, Price, Pom, _____, Porcello, Wright (ERod, Velazquez, Beeks, Haley, Elias) RP: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Barnes, Workman, Maddox, Scott (Thornburg, R Ross, Taylor, Martin)
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It is hard to know how. Basically every significant deal DD made, except for Young and Moreland was for ML ready pitching. Sale Price Pom Kimbrel Smith & Thornburg Fister (Nunez & Davis were mid year deals.) I guess, in hindsight, one could take back the Travis-Thornburg deal, and we'd have a couple more prospects on the farm and a power hitting 1Bman, but not many of us disliked that trade when it was made.
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When they signed HRam, the first thing I thought of was third base. Then I heard we also signed Pablo, and I thought, "WTF!!!"
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Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery
moonslav59 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
They'd be playing him at 2B this fall/winter, if they even thought he could play there. They are not. -
Pedroia undergoes microfracture surgery
moonslav59 replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I doubt we do anything at 2B but hope & pray Hernandez/Holt/Lin/Marrero can carry us over until Pedey can play again. -
Even with no surgery, I'd pass. Makes you wonder how many Sox players were playing injured last year. Price HRam Pedey Scott Smith Workman ERod Bogey? Betts? Moreland Plus, these guys missing all or almost the whole season: Wright Thornburg R Ross Next, we'll find out Porcello was playing injured.
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I agree that number 4 might not be enough, but I have a feeling the best offer made for Stanton is not going to be as good as many feel it needs to be. A lot will depend on whether Jeter takes a "long look" and likes players like Groome, Mata and Flores, or if he wants more close-to-ML-ready prospects.
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Other years, he could have won it with that performance.
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Back to Stanton: two questions from me, do any of these offers get us Stanton, and if so, which is the best one from our perspective? 1) JBJ (via 3rd team for prospects sent to MIA)+ Chavis and Flores 2) Bogey (via 3rd team for prospects sent to MIA) + Chavis and Groome or Mata 3) JBJ & Bogey (both via 3rd teams for prospects flipped to MIA) 4) 2 from Groome, Mata and Houck, plus Flores, plus Chavis or Chatham/Dalbec + Ockimey/Travis, plus 1 or 2 from Beeks, Shawaryn and Scherff (Maybe include Brannen).
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The only question is how shiny the new toys will be.
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No, but all are better than Moreland on offense. I'd be pissed, if one of these guys was all we got. I'd me more pissed if all we do is bring back Moreland and someone similar to Nunez.
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I do assume that, but now that the season is over, what else is there to ponder? After all, someone was willing to pay Pablito more than 1 dollar. How's this? HRam $22M or $44M, if he vests plus a prospect (or Hembree, Holt or Swihart, if anyone sees value in them) for... $49M/3 Ian Kennedy (We'd save $6M on the luxury budget in 2018: they save $5M to $27M depedning on the vesting option.) or $74M/3 Jordan Zimmerman (We break even on luxury budget & the Tigers save $30-50M.)
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Nobody is trying convince anyone that HRam has value to other teams, let alone "very very" much. I'm looking to try and find a trade partner that has an equal salary dump situation as we do. I admitted the Miami deal I suggested was a bad one. Would the Tigers trade Miggy for HRam straight up? Hell yah! I wouldn't. Would the White Sox trade jamie Shields for HRam? Maybe. I probably wouldn't. Those are the types of deals I'm looking at- trying to convince a team that HRam has a ton of value. We could also throw in other players or prospects to "sweeten" the deal, but we'd need to get one thing back, either some more spending space or a salary dump type player that plays 1B, SP'er, 2B or possibly 4th OF/DH. I'll look at some AL team's salary dumps soon, and see if I see a match.
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1) Denying HRam 497 PAs, if he is sucking next year is not unethical. 2) I'm not for denying him the 497, if he's playing well. 3) It only takes about 50 less PAs than this year for him to not vest. 4) I'm fine with no FA ever getting another vesting option with the Sox. They are pretty rare anyways. 5) I seriously doubt denying HRam 497 PAs by signing Duda, assuming Duda does well and HRam sucks again will make any future player think twice about accepting an equal or the highest offer by the Red Sox.
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Please! Let Moreland go elsewhere. We placed 24th in 1B WAR last year and need more offense and power than Moreland gives. If we don't sign JD or trade for Stanton, there are still a few better options than Moreland. There are DH types like Upton and Bruce, and there's Moose at 1B with Devers moving to 1B, but at 1B, I'd take any of these guys over Moreland: Santana Duda Morrison maybe Alonso then there's Hosmer who will get too many years at too high a dollar amount. .
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IMO, Judge is a clear second place in MVP.
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This may or may not be a good method for determining what positions need the most attention this winter, but here are some positional ranking numbers for 2017 and 2016-2017 samples: 2017 Position (2016-2017 ranking) 3rd +5.3 RF Betts (1st at +13.3) 9th +3.2 SS Bogaerts (4th at +8.0) 14th +2.2 LF Beni (17th at +2.8) 8th out of 15 -0.4 DH Ramirez 17th +2.3 CF JBJ (7th at +7.3) 18th +1.9 2B Pedroia (8th at +7.3) T19th +1.6 C Vazquez (27th +1.5/Leon 20th +2.9) 25th +0.9 1B Moreland Devers at 3B changes the narrative. Two different 1Bmen over the past 2 years and Moreland being a FA makes 1B and or DH the obvious high need area. 2017 Team Rankings 4th RF 11th SS 16th 2B 17th C (does not include value with staff) 18th LF 21st CF 24th 1B (I don't get posters who want Moreland back) 28th 3B (Projecting Devers to a 2.4 WAR would have placed us 17th.)
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I'm not trying to say HRam is worth anywhere near $22M, but his last 3 year WAR was greatly affected by his poor defense in LF in 2015 and being a DH for much of his other time in Boston. As you know, the DH is penalized in WAR calculations. Interesting, how you chose only the 1 and 3 years sample sizes- not the two year one. From 2016-2017, HRam ranked 7th in DH WAR at + 2.3 and 6th in wRC+ at 112. Yeah, his 93 wRC+ this year was bad, but he still placed 7th among DH's in that category (9th out of 15, if you expand to 400+ PAs) He placed 7th out of 15 in DH OPS and was just .005 from 5th out of 15. I'm not defending HRam. I hated the signing from day one. He's been hurt or playing hurt for much of his time here. I doubt anyone wants him, unless we pay $10-15M or take back salary dump players in return. The Marlins are not a good fit for HRam. I get that. My trade proposal was a bad one. I admit it. Maybe there's an AL team out there with $20M in "dumps" that would swap.
