moonslav59

Why not use playoff numbers with Eovaldi vs Sev?

I'm fine with the Price signing, too. I liked it at the time. He was the best starter available in a time we needed an ace. I'm wondering about his point that we could not replace Price at $31M starting with his opt out year.

Forget money, Forget Futture years of team control. If you had to have just one SP'er for 2020, who would it be? Sale or Tanaka? How about for just 2021 (no money involved) assuming Tanaka will still be a Yankee then?

Price over Paxton is an absolute homerism for next season, cmon. For the price, it’s ridiculously in favor of the Yanks. For production this year, they’re within 0.2 in WAR with Paxton having a bad season for him. Add an extra year on a rapidly declining Price and you’ll still take the guy going in the wrong direction? Take off the rosy glasses man. Your point is well taken on this one, but it's not any where near a clear choice for next year. Price had a down year in 2016 and bounced back the next 2 years. BTW, his FIP over the last 4 years is 3.74. It is 3.64 this year. Not all indicators signal a steady decline in progress, but I'll give this one to you. Tanaka has always had a month of s*** every year. He just had his. He’s also been a better postseason pitcher. Sale is the better regular season pitcher. That’s not debatable nor is it close. When the lights come on and the games really matter, Sale is nowhere in sight. Tanaka is the better postseason pitcher. Take whoever you want, but for a Yankee team poised to make the playoffs the next few seasons, I’ll take the guy who dominates when the lights are brightest. Also, you think Sale’s contract will look like a steal? How much Kool Aid are you drinking? Diminished Sale will never live up to the contract. So, now post season stats are the chosen criteria. Can you just choose one and stick to it for all comps? You are so convinced Sale is done, despite the fact that most great starters bounce back after a down year or two. We'll see. If you said Sale will "probably" never live up to his contract, I'd have more respect. You are so certain about Sale but leave the window open for Paxton, Sev and other Yankee pitchers. ERod has the track record. You’re correct there. German has the control. 5 yrs of control vs 2 when the current year production is essentially the same, I’ll take the longer control. I only said you should deal ERod because he only has two years of control left and if you rebuild, those two years won’t be good. If the Sox go for it next year, you need ERod. Again, I am not talking money or years of control. I'm talking next year. ERod should be better than German, and I think most baseball projections will agree. If we are talking cost and years of control, I can see wanting German over Sale, but again, I was responding to your post about the Yankee starter being better than the Sox rotation NEXT YEAR. Can we stay on one line of debate. (I'm happy to debate longer term and contractual comps, and will likely agree with you.)

Who was the poster who was adamant about how Price opting out would hurt us? I wonder how he feels now.

Remember when we dumped CC and Beckett's contracts by including AGon in the deal to LA? Those days are gone. There are no suckers like that anymore, but it would be nice to be ale to trade Price, Castillo, JBJ and Pedey with Betts and try and rebuild in one winter.

I guess it's hard to now, and that's why I hate these kind of changes to the game, especially made in secret. They ruin the integrity of the game and its history. It could be a little of both, but how can we ever know.

Why 2 years and not 3 or 4?

Well, that’s part of it. Tanaka just threw 8 shutout innings and usually finishes the year strong. His ERA will be around 4 by the end of the season. Sale is the better regular season pitcher, but Tanaka is the better post season pitcher and it ain’t close. I’ve seen Tanaka do this every year now where he is an abject disaster for a month. He usually comes out of it on fire. Yesterday was the start, I hope. Tanaka also hasn’t seen a demonstrable downturn in stuff like Sale has. Sale is has five more years on his contract at $29 mil per. Tanaka has one more year on his contract at $22.5 mil per. Who’d you rather have? You know I respect you, Jacko, but of late, you seem to be changing criteria to judge players on your team vs our team. A great recent start by Tanaka has deep meaning. One by Sale has little meaning. Sale is better than Tanaka. Sale has been better than Tanaka. Sale will be better than Tanaka. My point specifically said apart from the money. I'll take Sale anyday. When he bounces back, his contract, which begins next year will be viewed as a steal. Paxton has been the enigma. His stuff is there. His FB is exactly what it has been the last two seasons. He’s allowed 1 more walk per 9 and 0.5 more HRs per 9. Otherwise, he’s been a bit unlucky. His stuff and prior performance point towards better results to come. He’s also controllable for one more season under arbitration. Price is currently hurt and has been on a roll of s*** lately. His velocity is at a career low and he’s almost 34 (next month). He’s heading in the wrong direction and he’s got another 3 yrs and $31 mil per season on the docket. Who’s you rather have? I'd rather have Price, but for the money. German I am still not sure what he is. He’s been dominant and beatable at the same time. Great K rate and walk rate, insane HR rate. He became more of a pitcher this year throwing less than 50% fastballs with nearly 20% changes and 35% breaking balls. Stuff is really, really good. Control is good. His strike zone command can be spotty. He’s only 27 and we control him for another 5 years. ERod walls more guys. He K’s around the same amount. His HR rate is high, but below German’s. He’s actually a few months younger than German. His FIP and xFIP are almost identical to German’s (better FIP, worse xFIP). But he’s under control for only two more seasons. Who’d you rather have? ERod- hands down. He has a longer record of decency and is improving. Luis Severino has been an ace for two seasons finishing within the top 10 in CY young in consecutive years. He had an injury to his lat muscle that the Yanks initially misdiagnosed which caused the setback. No surgery needed and he’s ramping up now. It was Sevy’s first significant injury and it didn’t require the knife. Sevy is under control for 3 more years at a total of $30 mil. Eovaldi has seen more knives than a Benny Hana. He’s also 4 years older. He had elbow surgery this year and was tossed into the pen. He’s had a history of being an injury prone, mediocre pitcher in his history and outside of one magical month, has done nothing to dispel that. He’s under control for the exact same amount of time as Severino, but for a total of $21 mil more. I'd clearly take Severino and said as much in my post. So, considering cost and control, how could anyone advocate for your squad? Considering cost: the Yankee choice is much closer. Considering control: The Sox. Considering who is better: Clearly the Sox. It's not even close. Considering who will be better next year, and this is what I responded to: Clearly the Sox. Not even close.

The buck stops with DD. We need to move on from his leadership this winter.

I'm not sure the pitching is any worse than 1, 2, 5, 10 or 15 years ago. I'm not sure how those guys would have done with the juiced ball and smaller ball parks.

Don't be a dick. I'm pissed at hell about the starters and the pen. Our team sucks. There's nothing to be "happy" about. I guess I should begin to think like you and wonder, if you find joy in the pen blowing another save, since it make you look right. Only a warped mind would think like this. (I'm not sure what Porcello has to do with any of this. He's a starter, and he sucks.)

Yes, and the cause of death was the rotation not the pen. The pen was a "contributing factor."

I'm sorry, but I can't help but literally laugh out loud on this one. Tanaka is at 4.93 (1.32 WHIP) and is 30 years old, but he's great. Sale is at 4.41/1.09 and is 30 years old.He is toast. Paxton is at 4.40 (1.43 WHIP) and is 30 years old, but he's great. Price is at 4.36 (1.32) and is 33. He sucks. German is young enough, and that 4.05 ERA is just spectacular. ERod is 4.17/1.34 and must be traded. Severino's injury should be totally forgotten, since all Yankee pitchers come back strong from injuries, unlike those pansy Sox pitcher. Eovaldi's injury was not as severe as Severino's, but he's toast, too. The FA starter you guys sign next year will break the mold of near constant disappointing big FA signings by every other club. The Yanks will strike gold. All is good. Why? Because you are the Yanks! Now, back to reality... For performance (not pay), I'll take Sale, Price & ERod over Tanaka, Paxton & German in 2020. I'd prefer to have Severino over Eovaldi, but both have to prove they can return, and only one is pitching now. As for the 5th starter. Let's wait and see, Stick to drooling over your pen and crapping on ours. There's a lot of truth behind that line of attack.

Marco should never have been sent down, but then again, Travis has shined in his place. My DD comment was not related to the Owings call-up.

Do you respect the Astros management and their choices of talent? Well, if it's yes, they really wanted Eovaldi last winter. (More than Morton) I'd still take our rotation over yours next year (not counting the money part of it).

Can we remember one thing? Today's SP: 1.2 IP 3 ER (8 H+BB) Today's pen: 8.1 IP 2 ER (8H + BB) I'm tired of these loses being blamed on the pen.

I'm thinking since Marco was sent down, he has to stay some amount of days. If he could have been called up, it was an idiotic choice. I'm thinking DD needs to go.

You seem pretty certain all our starters are toast. Do you feel the same about your starters?

I think we need a GM not a coach, but I agree with everything else.

He should have rested everyone. The season was over a week ago. It's time to see what Marco, Travis, Centano, Chatham, D Hernandez and others can do. Cora is doing the right thing. He needs to do more of it.

Seems like more and more are realizing it's all over. It's been over since the sweeps. Time to think about a winter reset.

Hembree did have an injury that may have been part of the reason why he went from having a good start to the year to poofdom.

The starter did great, today, too!

I still really like Cora, but I've always hated the scheduled rest days no matter how hot or needy the player is.