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How would fans and season ticket holders feel had we announced we were going all out to win in 2020, then we trade away Betts , JBJ and Price? I'm not sure it gets any harder to dump salary by announcing that intention beforehand. We needed teams to know guys like Price, Eovaldi, JBJ and even Betts or JD are available at a reasonable cost. We need teams to have them on their radar, even if plan B, C, D or lower. Now that most of the best FAs are signed, teams will come looking with more intent and seriousness. That's my opinion, anyways. I expect us to deal Price and JBJ before it gets too close to ST'ing. I'm not sure about Betts. If our return from Price and JBJ is more about 2021 and beyond than 2020, I'm thinking we ought to just decide it's 2021 over 2020 and do some sort of fire sale, but I suppose that can wait until July to decide on that whilekeeping fans somewhat happy.

Merry Christmas!

I guess, if we dump Price and or Eovaldi or Betts and have budget space for some bridge deals to fill slots temporarily, someone like Happ might be slightly possible, but I think Bloom will be looking for pieces that will be useful beyond 2020 at a relatively low cost.

Didn't someone cut their foot getting out of bed? Someone else opening a screen door?

Those February injuries run rampant!

I'm glad he informed us. We'd never have known had an outsider not given us such a deep insight!

2021, baby!

There is still plenty of time. There could be several reasons why it hasn't happened. 1) A team or two might be waiting for something else to happen first before deciding to trade for JBJ. 2) Maybe Bloom has an offer or two but is trying to get more. 3) Maybe Bloom will pay some of JBJ's contract to get a player or prospect worth more than the difference. 4) Maybe we trade Betts and keep JBJ. Maybe he messed up.

I could see us dealing him for a RP'er that may make $3-5M, but who is not overpaid.

If we deal Betts, then yes, we can keep JBJ, but with just 1 year of team control left and a 2020 without Betts, I don't see why we should keep him, unless we extend him to more than 1 year at less than $11M a year. Ilove JBJ, and would love to keep him, but with budget issues, I think we can add a cheaper great defensive CF'er and use the savings to plug holes in our staff, 1B, 2B, C and OF dept slots.

If we can't deal him, we would have DFA'd him. I have to think Bloom has someone(s) interested. The trade value site has JBJ worth +$2, so he's not a negative value according to them.

Here's a trade idea to save on the Lux budget: Eovaldi $51M/3 ($17M x 3 LUX) JBJ $11.2M last arb ($11.2M) Chavis pre-arb Decker minors OF Total $62.2M ($28.2M Lux 2020, $17M '21 & '22) for Herrera $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX) Marchan (C minors) Maton (SS minors) Morales RHP minors) Total: $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX) Money saved: $42M LUX TAX savings $22.1M 2020 $10.9M 2021 $17.0M 2022

Here's another one: Price $96M/3 ($31M x 3 LUX) JBJ ($11.3M arb) Walden (pre-arb) Total: $107M (LUX: $42.3M year 1, $31M yrs 2 and 3) for McCutchen $40M/2 (LUX $16.7M x 2) Robertson $11.5M/1 ($11.5M) Herrera $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2) Marchan (minors C) Britto (minors 2B) Total: $72M (LUX: 34.3M year 1, $22.8M year 2, $0 year 3) On the Lux Tax we save $8M in 2020, $8.2M in '21 and $31M year 3 We add a solid RP'er for 1 year. We add 2 OF'ers to replace JBJ, and possibly set ourselves up for a Betts trade. We add some minor league depth at catcher and 2B.

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1 year left at $10-11.5M (last arb) is not worth much to the Sox as it might be to a top contender without luxury tax issues. I'm thinking he gets traded for a low cost but decent RP'er.

This trade was accepted on Baseball Tradevalues: Price, Chavis & Decker for Cueto, Belt, Dubon (pre-arb), Yaz (pre-arb), Gott (pre-arb) The money: Price: $96M/3 JBJ: $11.3M/1 (arb est.) $107M (4 yrs combined) - Lux Tax $42.3M Cueto: $42M/2 ($21.7M x 2 LUX) Belt: $34.2M/2 ($14.6M x 2 LUX) $76.2M (4 yrs combined)- Lux Tax: $35.3M We save $31M and $7M per year on the Lux tax for 2 years, then $31M year 3. I'm not expecting anything from Cueto, but he balances some of Price's money owed. Yaz in Boston might be a nice fit. Belt and Dubon would start at 1B and 2B for 2 yrs (Belt) & 3+ yrs (Dubon). Gott might help the pen.

Here's a look at what the trade simulator site has for player values, salary owed and I added Lux Tax numbers: Trade Values Value -Player -Total Salary Owed/Lux Tax x Yrs Sox -60.0 Price $96M -29.5 Eovaldi $51M -11.0 Sale $123.9M +2.0 Bradley ~$11M +5.6 Walden ~$3.8M +6.0 JD Martinez $23.7 (Opt out?) +12.1 Duran +17.7 Chavis ~$13.7M +18.8 Dalbec +24.6 Barnez ~$24.6M +35.9 Beni ~$33.9M -102.0 Hosmer $102M/ $18M x6 -76.0 Cano $81M $24M x 4 (Unlikely) -60.3 Myers $68.5M/ $13.8M x 3 -53.2 Heywood $86M/ $23M x 4 -40.9 Upton $72M/ $21.2M x 3 -40.4 Cueto $48.7/ $21.7M x 2 -39.3 Pollock $56.0/ $12M x 3 -34.2 Posey $66.4/ $18.6M x 2 -33.4 Longoria $49.5/ $11.6M x 3 -31.1 Carpenter $55.5/ $19.5M x 2 -28.4 Herera $41.7/ $6.1M x 2 -26.7 Odor $37.0/ $8.3 x 3 -25.2 Fowler $33.0/ $16.5M x 2 -25.0 Desmond $25.0/ $14M x 2 -22.7 Zimmerman $25.0/ $22M/1 (with Boyd?) -18.3 Belt $34.4M/ $14.6M x 2 -18.0 McCutchen $40.0M/ $16.7M x 2 -17.5 Cobb $29.0M/ $14.3M x 2 -15.9 Familia $20.0M/ $10M x 2 -14.9 Cain $51.0M/ $16M x 3 -14.7 Duffy $30.5M/ $13M x 2 -14.0 Carrasco $37.2M/ $11.8M x 3 -13.6 Kiermaier $36.0M/ $8.9M x 3 -13.0 Robertson $13.0M/ $11.5M x 1 -12.7 J Kelly $21.7M/ $8.3 x2 -11.5 McGee $11.5M/9.0M x 1 -11.0 Shaw $11.0M/ $9M x 1 -9.0 Chatwood $13M/ $12.7M x 1 -8.7 Herrera (P) $9M/ $9M x 1 -8.6 Kennedy $16.5M/ $14M x 1 -8.4 Cespedes$11.0M/ $6M x 1 -8.3 Lowrie $12.0M/ $10M x 1 -7.2 Cecil $7.2M/ $7.6M x 1 -6.9 Melancon $14M/ $15.5M x 1 -6.5 Reddick $13.0M/ $13M x 1 -0.1 Villar $10.4M/ $9.8M

If we saved enough money by trading JBJ, too, we could sign a FA or two. I still think some sort of Price and ____ for Pollock and Maeda might work best.

This trade was accepted on the simulator site: Price (+$9M), Chavis, Walden, Duran for Upton (owed $72M), Sandoval & 4 minor leaguers: Adams (OF), Jones (2B) Soriano (P) & Ktuger © (Upton's tax hit is $24M, so if we include $9M with Price, we'd save about $7M a year on the tax budget. More likely, we don't include the $9M and don't get Adams -worth 8.4).

I think the point is, he came out of no where to win the title.

I agree, and they should ask for a much higher minimum salary and 5 years of control- but with arbs starting 1 year earlier with a modest lux tax raise. The draft pick penalty may stay.

Or, take back unwanted salary as a partial balance. Price for Myers Price for Odor Price for Pollock (Then, trade JBJ) Price for Herrera Price for _____?

I'd do it. I doubt Philly would without some more money from us. The simulator accepted this: Price, JBJ & Decker for McCutchen, Robertson, Herrera & Marchan © The money? Philly gets Price $32M x 3 and JBJ ~$11M (last arb) BOS gets McCutchen $40M/2, Robertson $11.5M/1, Herrera $20M/2 Lux tax: McCutchen $16.7M x 2 + opt, Robertson $11.5M/1, Herrera $6.1M x 2+ opt It's more of a budget boost to BOS after 2020.

Just trade Price for Myers or Odor and let's move on.

All the sponsorship and endorsement deals are adding to revenues. Rising prices or tickets and concessions can outweigh the loss in attendance,too. NESN might be seeing less viewers but might be able to charge more for ads.