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Maybe it's more important, now.

They sucked, at first.

The Rays have changed GMs and coaches through these years. What has been the common denominator?

It helps to have your team score over 9 runs 10 times in your starts (17 times at 7 or more and 20 at 6 or more.) He should really could have been a 20 game winner, if he could just have had an ERA or 4.77 and a little luck.

I'm thinking the Nats or the Stros- maybe the Phillies.

We'd have traded Beni for a pitcher, if we were in the NL.

The Yanks had 10 times the injuries we have had.

It's very difficult to keep feeding 2-3 solid players a year from your farm when you keep having picks from 24-30 or worse due to tax penalties. The IFA market is also very hard to dominate, these days. I'm not saying it can't be done, but we need to get some people in our scouting and talent evaluation area who know what their doing. Management has to set the tone. It's hard to demand accountability from the players, coaches and the manager, if an important area keeps coming up short. Gone are the days where we can sign Devers and DHernandez or Bogey, Iggy & Montas in 2 international signing periods. Gone are the days of drafting Betts, Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens and Noe Ramirez in one draft with the help of 4 comp picks or Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lowrie, Hansen & Bowden in another with the help of 6 comp picks. Trying to rely on just spending big can never be sustainable. So, who can we hope will be the "3 per year?" We'll need a lot of luck to get 3 every year from this group: 2020: D Hernandez (unless you counted him for 2019) Dalbec Chatham Ockimey or Duran 2021 Houck Duran Ward 2022 Groome Casas Mata 2023 Jimenez Flores Lugo Decker We'll need a hell of a lot of luck!

Sure does. I guess it's possible they might have more IP had we been "in it," but no doubt Sale & Price are a big reason for our huge drop off from 2018 to 2019, but this list shows others may be more "to blame." I know some here hate WAR, but let's look at the fWAR variances from 2018 to 2019: -4.0 Betts -3.0 JD -2.6 Sale -2.2 Beni -2.1 Pearce -1.9 Eovaldi (just with the Sox!) -1.3 JBJ (mostly on D) -1.1 Porcello -0.5 Brasier -0.4 Moreland -0.3 Leon -0.2 Barnes -0.2 Velazquez -0.0 Price -0.0 Johnson +0.1 Holt +0.8 Walden +1.3 Bogey +1.4 ERod +2.1 Workman +2.8 Vaz +4.3 Devers Chavis +0.9 vs HRam DHern +0.4 vs Wright Cashner +0.2 vs Pom Lakins +0.1 vs C Smith Taylor -0.3 vs Kimbrel Brewer -0.3 vs Poyner Weber -0.2 vs Kelly

Yes, as to who is better. ERod has been huge for us over the last 2 years. Reaching 200 IP this year would be a landmark event for Eduardo.

Sale had a roller coaster season: 7 ER in 3 IP 1 ER in 6 9 ER in next 2 starts (9 IP) 2.44 ERA in his next 12 starts (77.1 IP) 5 ERs in each of his next 3 starts (15 ER in 16.1 IP) 2 ER in next 2 starts (12 IP) 14 ER in next 2 starts (9 IP) 0 ER in 8 IP 3 ER (5 runs) in next start (6.2) It was feast or famine with one nice 12 start stretch. Worst starts 8 ER in 3.2 IP 7 in 3.0 IP 6 in 5.1 (18 ER in his worst 3 starts - 12 IP) Take away those 3 starts, and his ERA is 3.59 not 4.40. 5 in 4.0 5 in 4.2 5 in 5.2 5 in 6.0 4 in 5.0 4 in 5.0

Many times, it was just one bad inning after 2-4 good to excellent one in those starts he failed.

Only Sale and health can prove you wrong. How many teams have a better number 1 or 2? I'd say maybe 20-30 have a better #1 and 5-10 a better #2. I'm not sure anyone has a #3 better than ERod, so calling him a 3-4 is rather rash.

23rd in ERA- reflects the park adjustments. He may still nibble a bit too much. He may still walk too many guys, but he gets out of the messes he creates, and keeps his team in almost every game he pitches. He's let up 5 or 6 ERs (never more) only 10 times in his last 56 starts. (Porcello's done that in just 30 games, this year.) Last 7 starts: 1.00 ERA and .549 OPS against. The team is 6-1.

In reality, looking at the state of pitching, these days, he's clearly a top 60 pitcher. In my opinion that makes him a strong #2. (30 teams- top 30 are #1's, next 30 #2's, etc...) One could argue he's a low #1. 2018-2019: 143 SP'ers with 150+ IP (just about 5 per team x 30 teams) ERod ranks... 37th WAR 5.4 (The "washed up & injured Sale is 5th & Price 45th.) ERA- 9. Sale 68 23. ERod 77 31. Price 83 WHIP 4. Sale 0.97 43. Price 1.21 76. ERod 1.29 xFIP- 1. Sale 59 39. Price 89 44. ERod 91 I'd say he's a solid #2, and if you look at how often he helps us win, win, win, he close to a top 30 pitcher in MLB, right now.

ERod is a winner. Team record in his starts- 2018 and 2019: 19-4 2018 24-8 2019 That's an amazing 43-12 (78% winning pct.)!

Some interesting reads: Tristan Casas & Thaddeus Ward: http://news.soxprospects.com/2019/09/soxprospectscom-awards-offensive-player.html Bobby Dalbec: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/09/03/how-close-red-sox-prospect-bobby-dalbec-big-leagues/6F9bLaHWJKNcaCYCz0iVZM/story.html Jay Groome: https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/09/jay-groome-boston-red-sox-prospect-ive-got-a-brand-new-arm-basically-if-i-can-maintain-it-and-keep-it-healthy-the-skys-the-limit.html Gilberto Jimenez, Daniel McGrath & Chris Murphy: http://news.soxprospects.com/2019/09/2019-soxprospectscom-awards-rookie.html

It does bug me, sometimes, and I can understand how it may bother others more than me, but I do find many of jacko's posts to be insightful, interesting or at least tolerable. I don't really see him as a "troll" although some of his posts seem troll-like and certainly set several Sox fans off like they were trolled heavily.

I've seen quite a few Sox fans get all gah-gah over young Sox prospects or players after a couple months, a couple weeks or even a couple ABs, so I guess it's not so unbelievable for a few Yankee fans to do the same. I guess what bugs me is how the criteria always changes when he's evaluating Sox players & prospects. At least harmony uses the same criteria all the time, but some times modulates the time sample to make Sox players look worse.

My wife was almost trapped at her school. She moved her van just in time to a higher part of the parking lot, and the water almost reached the doors! She just got home. It took her 95 mins instead of 45. We are not flooded here on the SW side. Thanks for asking.

I was responding to the post about Devers that also mentioned Beni.

I'd keep Weber and Chacin as depth and prayers.

If they know it's coming, can they just do the surgery before it blows?

Man, you really have a very selective and ever-changing criteria for judging Yankee talent levels.

"Dicktate" - I like that!