moonslav59

Average pitching? We had above average pitching by almost any measure. Out of 30 teams, we ranked... 12th in WAR 13th in xFIP 14th in ERA- 14th in K/BB 20th in WHIP Now, if you are talking about just Sale, Price and Porcello having a career norm season in 2019, instead of what they had, then yes, we'd have won way more games. It might be close to 12-13 more wins. Sale: before 2019: 2.89 ERA (30 GS/200 IP last 7 years) Add 53 IP and 10 less ERs to his totals Price before 2019: 3.25 ERA (30 GS/200 IP last 9 years) Add 83 IP and 21 more ERs Porcello before 2019: 4.26 ERA (31 GS/186 IP last 10 years) Add 12 IP and 19 less ERs. Total: +148 IP - 8 ERs That's very significant, because those 148 IP would be subtracted from most of our worst pitchers.

How did we do by position? Team Positional WAR: 3rd SS (6.6) 0.9 from 2nd 6th RF (6.4) 0.4 from 4th 6th 3B (5.9) 0.3 from 4th 6th DH (2.8) 0.7 from 4th 10th C (3.2) 0.2 from 7th 19th CF (1.4) 1.1 from 13th 25th LF (0.9) 0.6 from 20th 25th 1B (-0.4) 1.1 from 20th 28th 2B (-0.1) 1.1 from 20th 12th in pitching (16.5) .04 from 11th 5th in RP'ing (5.5) 1.4 from 4th 14th SP'ing (11.0) 0.9 from 10th 9th in Defense (13.3) 5.9 from 8th 7th in UZR/150 (3.4) .02 from 6th 23rd in DRS (-36) 20 from 22nd

Some numbers on Vaz. Since 2003, Vaz just placed... 4th in PAs (521) 3rd in HRs (23) 25 by VTek ('03) & Salty ('12) 4th in RBI (72) 85 VTek ('03), VMart 79 ('10), VTek 73 ('04) 6th in OPS (.798)

A look at some 2019 Sox numbers: We came 1 HR short of having four 30 HR players: 36 JD 33 Bogey 32 Devers 29 Betts 23 Vaz 21 JBJ 19 Moreland 18 Chavis 13 Beni XBH Leaders: 90 Devers 85 Bogey 74 Betts 71 JD 58 Beni OPS (PAs listed if not qualified) .939 Bogey .939 JD .916 Devers .915 Betts .835 Moreland (335) .798 Vaz .774 Benu .771 Holt (295) .766 Chavis (382) .738 JBJ .656 Travis (157) .617 Marco (155) .548 Leon (191) .548 Nunez (174) .503 Pearce (99) ERA- 39 Workman 63 Taylor 78 Barnes 79 ERod 79 Walden 80 Hembree 85 Brewer 89 Price 91 Sale 92 DHern 100 Brasier 105 Weber 113 Velazquez 114 Porcello 120 Smith 124 Eovaldi 125 Johnson 129 Cashner WHIP 1.03 Workman 1.09 Sale 1.18 Taylor 1.19 Walden 1.29 Brasier 1.31 Price 1.33 ERod 1.38 Barnes 1.39 Porcello 1.53 Velazquez 1.58 Eovaldi 1.62 Cashner 1.70 Brewer xFIP 2.93 Barnes 2.93 Sale 3.33 Workman 3.37 Taylor 3.57 DHern 3.73 Price 4.10 ERod 4.17 Walden 4.89 Eovaldi 5.14 Porcello

Yes, he earned his contracts, but we basically gave up 4 prospects for about $8.6M in value. If we are going to use fangraph's value, then let's use it to total up Margot and Allen's value and see if it tops $8.6M.

lmao

By spending big again after 2020, and by picking up some good young players, in trade, for JD and JBJ- maybe Barnes. Keeping Betts. A core of Betts, Bogey, Devers, Beni, Erod, Vaz plus maybe some health luck from Price and/or Sale is not a bad foundation.

Yes, but his numbers slipped (except k/9 & ERA+) for the first time in 4 years.

No, but it's not set in stone. I think we start the season with the idea of staying under, but if we look like we have a chance, we may trade for salary in July and reset the next winter.

Maybe the injury label is gone because he DH'd so much.

I think Barnes will bounce back next year and increase his value. I'd wait on dealing him until July 2020.

I agree, but with just 2 years of team control, I'd listen to offers.

One for Saint Paddy's, one for Thanksgiving,,,

I'd hate to trade ERod. We have won almost 80% of his starts over the last 2 years, but I'll listen to any trade offer for anyone.

He's on the wrong side of 30, now, and he has a 4.80 ERA (1.32 WHIP) the last 3 years combined. Getting 6 IP almost every start and a 4.80 ERA is pretty good for a #4 or 5, but I'm not so sure about him being closer to 4.80 than 5.50, next year. He probably needs a chance of scenery.

Well, Porcello let up just under 4 per 6, and you said he'll be hard to replace. That's almost 4.5 in 6.

Yes, indeed. Nobody should be happy to see JD go. He's a class act and was not overpaid.

I see some comments as unfair, too. I only used the word "ruined" to parrot the term you used in your comment, but there have been some posters who have used similar words. I think I've been fair to DD. I've said I have liked his overall plan, and I am thrilled it worked. Personally, I don't think it's being unfair to say I think he went a little too far with the prospect trades and there are clearly 2-4 that did not work out all that well, so that type of criticism goes with the GM job and is within the limits of fairness, IMO. I was fine with the trade off, and who am I to say he "went to far?" He wanted to make sure we had the horses to win a ring, and he got them. GMs have to plan on some deals not working, and going back in hindsight is not all that "fair," but it's tuhe nature of the business and certainly the nature of boards like this. Theo caught slack and Ben was crucified on this board and others. Fair? Maybe not, but I think pointing out that are farm is comparatively very weak, fight now, because of some things DD did along with other factors is just speaking to truth. With a limited budget and a new system of making it very hard for winning and big spending teams to rebuild their farm, getting back to glory will not be easy. One could argue DD knew these new rules and the direction MLB was going, and how keeping a strong farm while still winning may be what it's all about, and he chose to go for broke. It worked. I'm fine with any GM that brings us a ring. Now, it's time for the "broke" side of the equation. The budget will be reset at some point, and the farm has to be rebuilt for us to have a better chance at returning to glory.

I think this idea would be to pack it in for 2020.

What's worth more, a guy who lets up 4.5 in 6 innings or 2.5 in 4 innings?

We can't reset and replace Porcello with anything costly. There are too many injury issues hanging over the staff. I think we'll wait until the deadline to either buy or sell, and it could be a big sale.

Nice end to the season, despite ERod missing out on 20 wins. The Sox went 26-8 in ERod's starts this year. They went 19-4 last year. That's an amazing 45-12 for a 79% winning percentage!

LOL. I'm waiting for CP's response.

He has an opt out after this year and 2020, not 2021. I think he has to decide pretty quickly, so if he takes the option, there will be time to trade and teams that want him. We may need to kick in some cash to get a better return, but I think we could get something nice without adding any cash. I'll hate to see him go.

Devers ends up just ahead of Betts for 3rd: .916 Devers .915 Betts JD wins the team OPS race: .940 JD .939 Bogey