moonslav59

Let me ask you and the board this, assuming we reset. Let's say we keep everyone but JBJ and have no money to spend on anyone else. Do you the think the majority of fans or board members would think we have a "good chance" at making the playoffs with that team? If yes, I'm not sure the chances are all that high. If the answer is yes, wouldn't we be prolonging the "rebuild" and return to greatness by not moving sooner to deal some of our 1-2 year control players to improve the future at the expense of maybe lowering our odds of making the playoffs from 40-50% to maybe 20-25%? Would fans be okay, if they really liked the prospects or young players we got back in trades, knowing it might take 2-5 years for those players to make big impacts? I'm not saying those are the only choices or possibilities, but I do think fans are pretty forgiving when hope is higher.

In theory, it would be great, if we could master such "small market moves," and then make very few "big market moves" only when needed and only in strict moderation and for highly selective players (like Betts).

So, if we traded every single prospect, but it led to a ring, you wouldn't call that one part of the team, the farm, decimated?

In hindsight, we can definitively say we could have won in 2018 without Pom, Thornburg and Reed, but that's not really fair. We could probably add the Kinsler-Buttrey trade and say, we'd still have won. Sale & Kimbrel didn't really do all that much in the playoffs, but without one of them the whole season might have gone differently. I'm thinking, to win in this league, you have to build a roster that looks like "overboard," so you can handle injuries, unexpected down years or under perfromances and just the plain luck involved with the "crap shoot playoffs." I do think DD went to far, but it worked, so I'm fine with what he did. I also realize we now have to pay the consequences for what he did, and I'm not going to sugar coat it. It sucks, but it's worth it. The 2018 ring was wonderful. Sure, I wish the window stayed open another year or two, but it is what it is. It's not the first time I really liked a Sox team and felt they were going to win it all (or had a great chance) but ended up disappointed. It won't be the last. I liked our chances in 2003, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2019. I'm okay with not really like our chances much for 2020- not that I won't.

LOL, not much has changed since 9/29/19, in terms of ERod.

Just because he may not have been all that good at one job doesn't mean he can't be good at another job- one he's done before and was promoted from, I might add. Plus, I thought the whole anti-loyalty thing was becoming a stain on the Sox image. Now, we show a tiny bit of loyalty and BAM!

I don't think it is that way at all. And what does ignore mean? Like, if he pays really close attention, it will help him in some way?

...and everybody who did something at the ML level was once a nobody.

For the Sox, I know of seven 7-1-1's: 4/14 Price, Brasier, Barnes (W4-0) Only time Price went 7 or more IP 4/28 Sale, Walden, Hembree (L5-2) 5/10 ERod, Thornburg, Weber (W4-1) 5/17 Porcello, Brasier, Hembree (L 3-1) 6/14 ERod, lakins & Smith (W13-2) 6/17 Porcello, Brewer, Brasier (W2-0) 7/12 ERod, Taylor, Velazquez (W8-1)

I just don't see that trade as helping either team. Plus, there is no such thing as "an ace at most a year away."

Yes, but "today" is all about yesterday when today was tomorrow, which was last year not today. Hope that made your head spin like mine did writing it! What cracks me up is how often we hear how trading prospects in a good thing, because their value is potential and speculative or that none of the guys we have traded have amounted to jack, so far (Moncada excluded), yet some of the same guys, okay, maybe not the same guys, now want to tell us to have faith in our farm rebuilding and how all these fine young prospects are going to lead us away from the mirage of a cliff. It literally cracks me up.

I doubt that's the reason they did not fire Cora, and besides, who knows what the next GM might want?

True, but we did have a stretch with 3 last place finishes if 4 years.

I said, at the time of the signing, the contract was 2 years too long, but it was a great signing- bad 2 years and all.

...oh but the 3 division rings! Doesn't that make DD the donut boy?

It felt like 5.

They weren't great, but yes not bad. The thing is 700 is bashing Ben because we have no young pitching while praising DD for trading them all away, except D Hern and ERod.

He also signed Victorino to 3 years.

...and Kopech & Espinoza were two of the top pitching prospects when traded, but they got hurt- you call them "nobodies." I guess there is "control over injuries" when it suits your position.

Espinoza has looked "non impact" so far, but he brought us Pom, who helped us win one division title.

5. Impact "nobodies" as of now.

1. I'm not bragging. Saying he's been better than DD and the last 4 years of Theo is not something great. 2. You never criticize DD for not acquiring or developing young pitchers. 3. It's easy trading blue chip prospects for good pitchers. 4. I'm not sure bragging on Price is a plus.

Can we trade the Yanks to the AL Central for Minny?

Many remember Theo leaving a great farm for Ben, and it wasn't as bad as the 20th ranking showed, but Ben did actually improve the farm. Betts wasn't even on our top 20 list at the end of 2011. Here was the soxprospects.com list: Middy Kalish Ranaudo Bogey Iggy Lava Barnes Brentz Jacobs Swihart Coyle Cechini Weiland Doubront Wilson Britton Vitek Head Pimental Tejada

I actually think acquiring under the radar, low cost players is a great strategy for any team. That's not to say we can't also snag some higher priced players when needed, but we need a guy that fill a whole roster. That is one thing DD did pretty well until 2019. The Nunez, Reed, Pearce and Eovaldi trades worked wonders. They weren't really "big market" moves, in fact we eevn got some of those teams to pay part of their contracts.