moonslav59

Our 9 hitter has a .798 OPS the last 2 years. That might be the best in MLB. While Dalbec, Renfroe and Cordero may be big question marks, their numbers look very good. EHern as the 8th hitter might be top 6-8 in all of baseball.

My method was very crude. I won't deny the Jays offense looks better, on paper, but I think it might be closer than a 5.7 WAR differential.

BOS vs TOR C Vaz >Jansen 1B Dalbec 2B EHern 3B Devers > Biggio SS Bogey > Bichette LF Renfroe CF Cordero RF Verdugo > Grichuk DH JD > Tellez/Hernandez Seems pretty close.

Maybe you'd like this... 1. Verrdugo 2. Bogey 3. Renfroe/Cordero 4. Devers 5. JD 6. Dalbec 7. EHern 8. Vaz 9. Arroyo or Cordero/Renfroe (off handed)

Fair point.

I agree, but his splits scream for a platoon.

Current Sox Players Splits since 2017: v RHP .911 JD M .874 Devers .855 Bogey .810 Verdugo .786 Cordero .782 Gonzalez .740 Chavis .716 Munoz .715 Plawecki .705 Vazquez .704 Renfroe .691 EHern .678 Arroyo v LHPs 1.155 JD M (best in MLB) .907 Renfroe .868 Bogey .811 EHern .795 Vaz .788 Verdugo .780 Munoz .743 Marwin G .726 Devers .699 Chavis .689 Plawecki .597 Arroyo .573 Cordero

Chavis his RHPs at .740, but his sample size is small and fueled by early success. He's .699 v LHPs.

I've been firmly against paying more than $5M/1 for JBJ, but if he goes for $6M, I think I'd have preferred him to Marwin + Sawamura.

Cordero looks like the better bet, but looks to be our CF'er.

Small SSs like McClain don't thrill me, either.

So,... 1. Rocker 2. Fabian 3. Del Castillo 4. ???

I've already said I'd be okay with going over the tax line for someone like Odorizzi, assuming he is healthy. Maybe, that argument could win me over, as it would be a move as much for 2022 and 2023 as 2021. (I still think putting off the next reset by another year holds more value than signing Odorizzi and/or JBJ.) Saying the highest or second highest spending GM over the last two decades should spend more does not make sense to me, at all. The guy has been a godsend to long, suffering Sox fans.

Agreed. I also think Devers and Bogey are poised for monster years. Verdugo should improve. I'm hoping Vaz stays near .790. EHern should do fine. Dalbec, Cordero & Renfroe are the wild cards. Arroyo, Chavis and Marwin may not be needed all that much.

Assuming he regains most of what he had before 2020.

Thanks for the info. Who would you take with the first pick? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? I'm not against HS picks, but I don't think this is the time to go that route. MLB.com has this... Kumar Rocker RHP Vandy Jordan Lawler SS HS Adrian del Castillo C Miami Jud Fabian OF Florida Jaden Hill RHP LSU Matt McLain SS UCLA Jack Leiter RHP Vandy Matcelo Mayer SS HS Prospectslive: Rocker Fabian McClain Mayer Leiter Baseballprospectjournal... Rocker Lawlar Fabian Leiter McClain mymlbdraft... Rocker Leiter Lawler McClain Mayer mvpsportstalk... Rocker Del Castillo Fabian Leiter Hill I'm no expert, but I might make this the Sox top drfat list: 1. Rocker 2. Fabian 3. Leiter 4. Hill 5. McClain (I dropped all HS players off my top 5 list.)

...and JD seems like the perfect 4 or 5 hitter.

Maybe more sold than Cordero as a FT CF option. Perhaps, EHern plays CF vs LHPs- as a kind of platoon with Cordero & Arroyo: v RHP LF: Renfroe CF: Cordero 2B: EHern v LHP LF: Renfroe CF: EHern 2B: Arroyo

He's not all that fast, so I'm not sure about the one or two slot. That's one reason I had him 3rd in my original line-up. If you like the lefty-righty thingee... L Verdugo R Bogey L Devers R JD L Cordero/R Renfroe R Dalbec R Hern R Vaz R Arroyo/ S Gonzalez/ R Chavis (hits RHPs better)

OPS from 2018-2020 (200+ PAs): .938 JD .907 Bogey .832 Devers .812 Verdugo .772 Renfroe .754 Cordero .749 Hernandez .733 Munoz .728 Chavis .727 Vaz .719 Arroyo 2019-2020 (60+ PAs): .959 Dalbec .921 Bogey .884 Devers .870 JD .827 Verdugo .798 Vaz .773 Cordero .749 Renfroe .728 Chavis .710 Arroyo .707 EHern .707 Plawecki .692 Munoz

I know the studies show you don't put your best hitter 3rd, but aren't Bogey and Verdugo thought to be better than Devers? (I happen to think Devers will bust out in 2021, but based on 2020, he's maybe our 3rd best hitter. Based on 2018-2019, JD could be ranked higher. How's this: 1. Verdugo RF 2. Bogey SS 3. JD DH 4. Devers 3B 5. Renfroe/Cordero LF 6. Dalbec 1B 7. EHern CF 8. Vaz C 9. Arroyo/Chavis 2B

Spend whatever it takes to try and win every year. Good thing every team doesn't do that. Ticket prices would be $1,000 for a nosebleed seat.

I never said that was your intent or anybodies intent. Feel free to keep blaming Henry for not spending. It looks silly, to me, and my intent was to let you know my opinion. I never expected to change yours.

I'm sure Bloom & Co. are eyeing some possible additions from next winter's market, but to me, it was also about how weak this winter's market was, especially in our highest need areas. SP: Only Bauer was a true difference maker. Does he look any better than Price did, when we signed him? CF: Springer just did not seem like the type of guy to go large and long on. Maybe, I'm wrong. RP: There were a few nice names, but not anyone that knocks me over, and besides, spending large on RP'ers does not always guarantee success. We didn't need Realmutto. Are the next two years any better? from MLB.com Notable free agents for 2021-22 Catcher: Salvador Perez, Travis d'Arnaud, Christian Vazquez (club option), Buster Posey (club option) First base: Freddie Freeman, Anthony Rizzo, Brandon Belt Second base: Starlin Castro Third base: Nolan Arenado (opt-out), Kris Bryant, Eduardo Escobar, Kyle Seager (club option), José Ramírez (club option) Shortstop: Francisco Lindor, Javier Báez, Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Trevor Story Outfield: Michael Conforto, Tommy Pham, Starling Marte, Kyle Schwarber, Eddie Rosario, Corey Dickerson, Nick Castellanos (opt-out), Charlie Blackmon (player option), Andrew McCutchen (club option) Designated hitter: Jorge Soler, Khris Davis, J.D. Martinez (opt-out) Starting pitchers: Noah Syndergaard, Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Lance Lynn, Eduardo Rodriguez, Dylan Bundy, Lance McCullers Jr., Johnny Cueto (club option), Carlos Martínez (club option) Relievers: Kenley Jansen, Jeurys Familia, Corey Knebel, Archie Bradley, Raisel Iglesias, Adam Ottavino If all the players in line for free agency in the 2021-22 offseason actually reach the open market, it might be one of the best classes ever. Start with the shortstops … wow. Lindor, Báez, Correa, Seager and Story are five of the brightest young stars in the game today. All five of them would be free agents in their primes -- Correa will be 27 in 2022, Lindor and Seager 28, and Báez and Story 29. In addition to Báez, the Cubs could see Bryant, Rizzo and Schwarber all reach free agency. On top of all that, there's the Braves' Freeman, who's been one of the top first basemen in the NL for years. And if Arenado opts out of his Rockies deal, there's another big name right there. The starting-pitcher class is also a star-studded group, though Syndergaard missed all of 2020 following Tommy John surgery, and Verlander is expected to be out through '21 after undergoing the same procedure. Notable free agents for 2022-23 Catcher: Willson Contreras, Gary Sánchez, Christian Vazquez First base: José Abreu, Yuli Gurriel, Josh Bell, Miguel Sanó (club option), Max Muncy (club option) Second base: Ketel Marte (club option) Third base: Evan Longoria (club option), José Ramírez (club option) Shortstop: Trea Turner, Dansby Swanson, Miguel Rojas, Tim Anderson (club option) Outfield: Aaron Judge, Joey Gallo, Byron Buxton, Brandon Nimmo, Andrew Benintendi, Andrew McCutchen, Lorenzo Cain, Adam Duvall, Justin Upton, Wil Myers (club option), Charlie Blackmon (player option), A.J. Pollock (player option), Kevin Kiermaier (club option), Whit Merrifield (club option), Designated hitter: J.D. Martinez Starting pitchers: Jacob deGrom (opt-out), Chris Sale (opt-out), Aaron Nola (club option), Sonny Gray (club option), Mike Clevinger, José Berríos, Sean Manaea, Luis Severino (club option), Carlos Martínez (club option), Nathan Eovaldi, Jameson Taillon, Matthew Boyd, Michael Fulmer, Joe Musgrove, Zach Eflin, Johnny Cueto Relievers: Aroldis Chapman, Edwin Díaz, Zack Britton, Ryan Pressly, Seth Lugo, Taylor Rogers, Chad Green, Craig Kimbrel, Will Smith (club option)

Dissing Henry is not winning me over in any way, shape or form. We have the best owner we've ever had, by far. He's reset the tax several times- almost like clockwork, and the system has been a huge success. To be frank, this whole"Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie and gimmie now," philosophy turns me off. We are not the Dodgers, and although Henry could choose to spend like them, who has more rings?