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Help me fill in the gaps. Let me know of any others missing from this list. 1991 Danny Darwin 4, *Roger Clemens 4, Jack Clark 3, Matt Young 3 1992 Frank Viola 3 1999 Jose Offerman 4 2001 Manny Ramirez 8 2002 Johnny Damon 4 2004 Keith Foulke 4 2005 Edgar Renteria 4, Jason Varitek 4, Matt Clement 3 2007 JD Drew 5, Julio Lugo 4, *Ortiz 4, *Beckett 3 2008 Mike Lowell 3 2009 *Youkilis 4, *Pedey 6, *Lester5 2010 John Lackey 5 2011 Carl Crawford 7 2012 *Adrian Gonzalez 7, *Buchholz 4 2013 Shane Victorino 3 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6

The link has Matt Young but not Clark & Darwin.

Thanks for letting me know. This site left those out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L4T9k8pGDDt8kVd1rvboacYdXpafHsOB2nhEGAGEaAY/edit#gid=165240331 Where did you find your info?

That was not my intent. I was trying to show that the Sox have signed or extended players to longer term deals of significant value almost every year in the past 2 decades. People have been saying Henry is "going cheap," but the record does not show that. The two extensions given to Sale and Bogey, that began in 2020, were very large deals, but we lost Betts, so Henry is a now a miser? Total the deals made the last 3 years, adjust for inflation, and my guess is the last 3 years rank right up there with any other big spending 3 years stretch. 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6 (The 2014-2016 stretch may be the highest.) 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 Henry has clearly been spending more from 2014-2020 (7 years) than from 2003-2013 (11 years).

I've always been high on Dalbec, but it won't be easy to win ROY. I do have high hopes, though.

Exactly.

Good point, but the fact is, we didn't sign any FA to more than that, until Frank Viola in 1992 and then Offerman in '99! (I don't have information on extension contracts that far back.) Any of the Henry bashers reading this- take note.

Agreed. BAbip is a useful stat in determining how much luck- good or bad- is involved.

MLBTR to use different stats going forward... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/pitching-stats-mlbtr.html

Beni will not be our CF'er.

Here is with some selected large and long extensions (*) added: (Please point out any I missed.) Going by just free agent contracts of 3 or more years and adjusting for inflation, here are the years we made the big splash signings: 1991 Matt Young 3 1992 Frank Viola 3 1999 Jose Offerman 4 2001 Manny Ramirez 8 2002 Johnny Damon 4 2004 Keith Foulke 4 2005 Edgar Renteria 4, Jason Varitek 4, Matt Clement 3 2007 JD Drew 5, Julio Lugo 4, *Ortiz 4, *Beckett 3 2008 Mike Lowell 3 2009 *Youkilis 4, *Pedey 6, *Lester5 2010 John Lackey 5 2011 Carl Crawford 7 2012 *Adrian Gonzalez 7, *Buchholz 4 2013 Shane Victorino 3 2014 *Pedroia 8, Castillo 7 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4, *Porcello 4 2016 David Price 7 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4, *Vaz 4 2020 *Sale 5, *Bogey 6 2003, 2006 & 2017 are the only 3 seasons since 1999 where no player was signed or extended to a 3+ year deal of significant value. Years with 4+ year deals: 99, 01, 02, 04,05, 07, 09, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20 Years with 5+ year deals: 01, 07, 09, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20 Years with 6+: 01, 09, 11, 12, 14, 16, 20 Years with 7+: 01, 11, 12, 14, 16 Years with 8 years: 2001 (Manny)

Matt Young was also the pitcher who could not throw the ball to 1B, too.

I said "extended periods of Major League success"- meaning a longer stretch or stretches of success and NOT career stats, and not necessarily better numbers vs smaller or tiny sample sizes by some of the Yankees listed. Since jacko was quoting specific shorter periods of success for Yankee starters, I countered with my point. ERod and Eovaldi both have a longer stretch or stretches of success than many on jacko's list of Yankee hopefuls. I didn't bother bringing up Houck's tiny sample size of success vs Garcia's equally tiny sample size.

Thanks! It took me close to an hour to assemble an incomplete list I posted a couple days ago. I'd like to see a list that also includes large and long extensions for a truer picture of how often and when we made big financial commitments. Going by just free agent contracts of 3 or more years and adjusting for inflation, here are the years we made the big splash signings: 1991 Matt Young 3 1992 Frank Viola 3 1999 Jose Offerman 4 2001 Manny Ramirez 8 2004 Keith Foulke 4 2005 Edgar Renteria 4, Jason Varitek 4, Matt Clement 3 2007 JD Drew 5, Julio Lugo 4 2008 Mike Lowell 3 2011 Carl Crawford 7 2013 Shane Victorino 3 2015 Pablo Sandoval 5, Hanley Ramirez 4 2016 David Price 7 2018 JD Martinez 5 2019 Nathan Eovaldi 4 As you can see, starting in 1999, we never went more than 3 years without a major signing, and if you count major extensions, those gaps are mostly filled to the point where the records is nearly seemless.

Well said, and if we add Tanaka or Ororizzi, and the Yanks add squat, we could just be a healthy Sale vs an unhealthy Severino away from having an equal rotation with the Yanks. Lots of ifs for both teams, for sure.

Even Eovaldi has way more than that, yet jacko has bashed Eovaldi often.

I clearly stated the BTV values were not meant to show who is better than others.

A lot of these pitchers do NOT have extended periods of Major League success. There are questions on many of them. You are a Yankee fan, so you are optimistic. You are more optimistic on Severino than Sale. Pitchers like ERod and Eovaldi have shown longer periods of success than many on the list of Yankee starters, and of course they have large question marks next to their name, but you seem much less optimistic about other team's starters. Look, I'm not overly optimistic about our top 3 starters, either, and I'd rather have your top 6 SP'ers than ours, but we both know a lot can go wrong, and both teams can use a big addition or two to the rotation mix. Until we know who those additions are, it's okay to give the edge to the Yanks due to their depth, but other teams will be making additions, too- maybe better ones. What if the Jays sign Bauer & DJ, and the Yanks add Porcello and a lower ranked 2B/SS?

Here are the BTV values assigned to players on these teams (at the ML level). Keep in mind, these values are based on the player value and contractual obligations... This is not about who is better than who... Yankees 88 Torres SS/2B 63 Judge OF 37 Garcia SP 37 Severino SP 36 Montgomery SP 26 Frazier OF 21 Voit 1B 16 German SP 16 Green RP 15 Urshela 3B 8.2 Higashioka C 7.9 Loaisiga SP 6.1 Tauchman OF 2.8 King SP Blue Jays 105 Bichette SS 93 Guerrero 1B/DH 53 Biggio 2B 32 Jansen C 32 Hernandez OF 26 Gurriel OF/2B 6.5 Tellez 1B 6.1 Thornton SP 5.5 Kay SP 3.2 Romano RP 3.2 Stripling SP 2.9 Borucki RP Red Sox 51 Verdugo OF 45 Devers 3B 22 Bogaerts SS 21 Vazquez C 17 Dalbec 1B/3B 8.9 Hernandez RP 7.6 Rodriguez SP 7.5 Chavis 1B/2B 5.3 Benintendi OF 3.6 Arroyo 2B 3.3 Pivetta SP 2.9 Brasier RP 2.1 Arauz 2B

I can't blame you for being optimistic. You have a lot to be encouraged about, but until you replace DJ, Tanaka, Paxton & Happ and find a catcher, it's hard to know just who the Yanks will be. Cole is solid, but Severino may not be back until July and may need time to return to form. Montgomery, Garcia, King and German all show serious skills or promise, but questions still remain. The pen is solid. I'm certain the Yanks will not stand pat, and if they lose out on DJ, they will find someone else. Let's see who replaces Tanaka. Returning players from injuries are always hard to gauge.

I think the Jays and White Sox, and maybe even the Twins may add a few pieces and pass the Yanks, if they stand pat. I never count out the Rays, either. The Astros and A's need additions.

I guess all AL teams have open slots- some to be filled, this winter. The Yanks without DJ, Tanaka, Paxton and others is not much different from many teams. Several teams, including the Sox & Yanks, have proven players returning from injuries. I guess what team's fan you are has a lot to do with the optimism of projected productivities of these returning players.

I suggested a 3 way trade with Philly & Pitt. Philly gets Vaz, Pitt gets Abel from PHI and maybe Wong, Ward or Groome from us, and we get Taillon & Stallings © from Pitt.

They are better, on paper, even before any additions. Do you think the Yanks are top 3 or 4, as is?

I'd like to see us add 5-7 solid players, this winter or by the deadline, but we have to add at least 4: 1A. Closer 1B. SP'er (preferably a durable #2-#3 type) 3. Solid set-up RP'er 4. CF/2B (maybe Hernandez) Maybe we sign 3 and trade for 1. Ideally, we'd add: 1. #2 SP'er 2. Solid closer 3. Solid RP'er 4. CF who is plus defense 5. 2B 6. SP'er depth 7. RP'er depth