moonslav59

Verdugo is more than fine in RF. We need a CF'er, and I'm not talking Beni (or Renfroe to RF & Verdugo to CF). I doubt we can afford JBJ, unless we trade Beni for a low cost player(s) or prospect(s). Pillar seems to fit our needs, but if we spend larger on a closer, we may have to settle on a lesser CF, hopefully one with great defense.

I guess the guys who do the actual rankings have never "seen" him play, right?

It makes sense, if we use Renroe FT in LF or platoon (Chavis hits RHPs better) with someone, and we get a cheap CF'er who can actually field well. IMO, it doesn't make sense trading Beni while his stock is low, but I think he's gone. BTW, his $6M would allow for another signing (CF/ RP) or a better signing.

I would have given Casas or Downs, but it looks like they may have taken Ward, Groome, Lugo & Decker.

Not me at all. I'd have preferred others, but my choice of Odorizzi could turn out to be a bad one. I like Kike, Renfroe and Richards, and it seems like the idea that bargain deals were available was just a rumor. I don't think Bloom is done, either. We will like trade Beni and add a closer and or CF'er.

It's only if we ever reach a time period where everyone is healthy (fat chance) and Houck has spent his 2 months in the minors to extend his years of team control. Sale ERod Richards Eovaldi Perez Pivetta Houck (Mata/Seabold/Mazza) If 6 of the top 7 are healthy and pitching well (fat chance), one could be moved to the closer role. (We could also sign someone like Porcello.)

Good point. Maybe by the time Sale (ERod) returns, the choice will be obvious.

I'm not sure how injecting insanity into our clubhouse is something we need.

Bigger "wad" on Richards.

Minor omission, LOL. Best Back-to-back seasons since 2014: W-L ERA/WHIP (ERA+) 29-12 2.56/0.924 (175) C Sale (12.9 bWAR) 32-11 3.81/1.303 (122) E Rod (8.8 bWAR) 28-16 3.18/1.149 (116) Richards (6.4 bWAR) 23-11 4.45/1.387 (94) Eovaldi (3.6 bWAR) 36-13 2.71/0.965 (167) C Kluber (9.8 bWAR) 33-14 3.18/1.092 (137) Severino (9.5 bWAR) 35-10 2.68/0.962 (164) G Cole (8.5 bWAR) 22-17 3.71/1.303 (109) Taillon (6.1 bWAR)

Not a bad pen, either.

Eovaldi might be the best candidate to move from the rotation to the closer slot, once Sale and ERod return.

You know, jacko, for all the crap I give you, I respect you a lot, and I know you know more about medicine and injuries than I do, but I'm not sure where you get your data from. 1) You once claimed Sale's velocity fell off a cliff, and the fangraphs graphs I provided showed a much less drop than you claimed. 2) You ignored Sale's success after his short-lived return, despite the drop in velocity. (His highest K rates of his career were 2017, 2018 and 2019, including a 13.3 K/9 in 2019. 3) Now, you mention that his "control suffered." When? True, his 2019 BB/9 (2.3) rate was higher than his previous few seasons, but his career BB/9 is 2.1, so that seems pretty slight when you factor in he was recovering while pitching. BTW, his last 3 games of 2019 saw him K 29 in 18.1 IP and walk only 2. His last 2 games, he had 25 Ks in 14.2 IP with 2 BB and 7 hits (1.84 ERA) Look, you may end up being right. You may even probably end up being right, but Sale was great as soon as 1.5 years ago. He's not old. Many pitchers have comeback from what he has suffered. You may end up eating your words. I'm not saying he will return to norm, but if he can come back to just 75% of his best, he could still be a great starter and possibly better than anyone on the Yanks, except Cole, assuming they don't "comeback" as well as he does. I realize many Yankee starters have "lesser injuries," but so do Eovaldi and Richards. (ERod is the biggest unknown.)

Bye-bye. I hear the O's are in need of new fans. Ozuna ain't coming here, even if we deal Beni.

Brad Hand to Nats for $10.5M/1.

Only pitchers on the Sox & Yanks for 2021: 7.6 Sale 2017 7.3 Cole 2019 7.2 Kluber 2017 7.2 Kluber 2014 6.2 Sale 2018 5.8 Cole 2018 5.6 Sale 2015 5.6 Kluber 2015 5.5 Kluber 2018 5.4 Severino 2018 5.3 Sale 2016 5.1 Cole 2015 5.0 Sale 2014 4.9 Kluber 2016 4.8 Sale 2013 4.7 Sale 2012 4.3 Richards 2014 3.9 Taillon 2018 3.7 ERod 2019 3.6 Sale 2019 3.3 Eovaldi 2014 3.2 Eovaldi 2015 3.2 Taillon 2017

Here is an interesting data bunch: Best Back-to-back seasons since 2014: W-L ERA/WHIP (ERA+) 29-12 2.56/0.924 (175) C Sale (12.9 bWAR) 32-11 3.81/1.303 (122) E Rod (8.8 bWAR) 28-16 3.18/1.149 (116) Richards (6.4 bWAR) 23-11 4.45/1.387 (94) Eovaldi (3.6 bWAR) 36-13 2.71/0.965 (167) C Kluber (9.8 bWAR) 35-10 2.68/0.962 (164) G Cole (8.5 bWAR) 22-17 3.71/1.303 (109) Taillon (6.1 bWAR) 11-7 3.84/1.248 (116) Montgomery (3.4 bWAR)

Because I traded Beni for a RP'er, and we'd need OF depth. (Maybe Miller would be better.)

Cole may be "far and away" the most durable on either staff, but when Sale is at his best, he's better than Cole. (One could argue Kluber is, too.) I know you have no respect for Sale and other Sox pitchers with health issues, and you may end up being proven right, but we'll see.

Finish the winter with... Trade Beni to SF for Ryes Moronta (RP with 4 years of team control). Sign Colome. Sign Pillar. Sign Marisnick. The healthy 26: Sale, Eovaldi, ERod, Richards, Perez, Pivetta (IL Sale>Brice/ IL ERod>Houck/Andriese) Colome, Moronta, Barnes, Brasier, D Hern, Taylor, Whitlock Vaz, Plawecki Dalbec Hernandez, Arroyo Devers Bogaerts Renfroe, Martinez (DH) Pillar, Marisnick Verdugo Meaningful farmhands: Houck, Mata, Seabold, Mazza Andriese, Valdez, Brewer, Bazardo Pereda Ockimey Downs Arauz Munoz Puello Duran Gettys

I don't see anything being called a risk, unless there is something to lose. Worst case- they break even. I suppose one of the long shot prospects might amount to a role player.

You forgot Means, and with him, YES! Cobb is done after one year. (Getting Santander allows us to trade Beni for a no cost player or prospect and be fine on the lux tax.)

I get that, but if he sucks, they've lost 4 guys worse than Chavis. What did they lose?

What was the risk? The guys they gave up are all worse than Chavis.

I'd rather have an extra RP'er of Marisnick.