moonslav59

We trade for a pitcher better than Richards or Perez, or we trade for a RP'er or 2 (or SP+ RP) and can move Houck to a starting role. It's not like he's never started before.

It's not about getting anything good for one of them. We may even pay some or most of what we owe one of them. The little money saved is added to what we have to spend, already, and in theory, we can get 1-2 players better than we could have before or 1more player than planned. We then trade for a a couple salary dump-type players- maybe 2 pitchers or a pitcher and 1Bman. When we add Sale and Sawamura, we end up with more pitching depth than before trading Richards or Perez. You can disagree with the idea, but don't say we are not adding depth.

We still could. -1 + 2

The plan is to replace Richards or Perez with Sale and use the money saved to trade for an even better pitcher and maybe 1Bman, too. Buyers and sellers.

Now, we are tied with Houston for the best AL record at 61-39 (.610). -1.0 TBR WC -1.5 CWS ALC leader -5.5 OAK 2nd WC other WC contenders -1.5 SEA -3.5 NYY -4.0 TOR -5.0CLE -5.5 LAA

A lot of players that were once viewed as black holes are doing much better or a little better. I also think Marwin and Santana being on the IL has helped the offense. I'm hopeful Arroyo can return and help, at some point.

I guess teams aren't waiting for the deadline. Adam Frazier to SDP for 3 prospects, including their #5.

Sounds like a good long relief guy.

Dalbec is 8th on the team in PAs. He was 5th in RBI, until Kike just passed him.

Sox OPS on the Farm (180+ ABs) 1.000 Tyreque Reed .989 Devlin Granberg .938 Joey Meneses .931 Joe Davis .926 Jarren Durran .900 Tyler Dearden .892 Ryan Fitzgerald .871 Pedro Castellanos .857 Brandon Howlett .845 Marcus Wilson .843 Stephen Scott .791 Nick Yorke .791 Nick Sogard .780 Yairo Munoz Notables: (ABs) .979 Mieses (167) .955 Cordero (167) .886 Cottam (153) .820 Ockimey (147) .801 Chavis (95) .777 Casas (170) .723 R Hernandez .711 Jimenez (248) .687 Potts (121) .670 Arauz (181) .636 Rosario (223) .623 Lugo (255) .550 Wong (101) Not counting tonight's games.

Arauz would be next. I'd even add Munoz to the 40 and call him up before Downs.

Is 4.4 sarcastic, too? I've told you over and over his ERA is 4.06, but you keep saying 4.4, over and over. Yes, 4.4 is probably mediocre, depending on other numbers, too, nut 4.06 is good, and some of his other numbers are very good. I think we did agree on what is good not about Porcello. Let's move on.

We probably can't keep all these guys, next year: Chavis, Wilson, ArauzPotts, Rosario, Groome and maybe one from Plawecki and Wong. There may be more on this list. Some of these guys have trade value, especially for a salary dump type player.

Maybe, but the offense is no parade, either.

He has had an enormous amount of talent. He's made similar bad choices for years, but the team was good enough to win anyway. Yes, Cora had talent in 2019, and if people wanna blame him for that mess, fine. Boone has always sucked. He didn't just learn to suck, this year.

At least for another month.

You say I have have a clue about the conversation, then say we all agree he's mediocre. LMAO. The guy was good. Not great. Not mediocre. If you and a few others want to cling to mediocre, so be it. (I think the real disagreement is over what we think is good and mediocre not Porcello.) Let's move on.

Boone was never good. He's had a lot of talent. He never had a "way" to lose.

We don't all agree he was average or mediocre, and you thinking so, exposes who is without a clue. I know your HR/FB comment was related to control, but that wasn't what my question was. I still don't know why you won't answer why you brought up HR% being mostly a fluke. I've reread your posts numerous times. It's not about my breathing or capacity to understand the English language. I teach English. You, on the other hand, do not seem to understand my question or are wont or are afraid to answer it. Porcello had good control. I get your point about BB/9 not being the only indicator of control. Your FB/HR point was well taken. It is not very good and it does relate to control in some ways, but so does HR rates and other things. I asked about your HR rate comment not the FB/HR comment. Can you take a deep breathe and answer what you meant and how the HR% fluke comment relates to Porcello, his control or whatever you meant it relate to. I didn't really mean this to turn into such a big deal, but you never answered and kept calling me clueless.

Sea Dogs win in 10. Sale 3.2 IP and 6 hits 2 ER (1 HR and three 2Bs) 9 Ks out of 11 outs. 0 BB Rosario and Granberg 3-5 Reed, Fitzgerald and Castellanos with HRs Worcester was 2 hit and lost 3-0. Nothing much to report. T Reed is another rule 5 guy we got from the Yanks. He's been doing very well. He needs to be protected or possibly lost to rule 5 again.

I refuse to judge managers choices in hindsight like that. (I know I've done similar things, but I try not to.) I don't think they follow the "playbook" you seem to think all managers follow. They know a hell of a lot more than we do- not just about baseball and what factors make a good decision or bad decision, and not it's not "did it work or not?" because if that is that is the case, Cora is a genius for turning a team looking like a last place team to a division leader after 100 games, but also how players are feeling, are they ready for a certain amount of pitches, match-ups with the next hitters, who is in the pen and how do they match up. I'm not saying Cora has never made a mistake. He'd admit he has and may even agree with you on the Eovaldi choice, but I think he's done an extremely great job with this team. I disagree with somethings too, like line-ups and giving players days off at odd times, and in game decisions, but I hardly ever voice game decision decisions, because I know there are too many unknowns for me to pretend to know better. If Germain was way over is pitch count, then pulling him even before the first hit might have been an even better move. Maybe the wrong move was not pulling him but bringing in the wrong guy. We'll never know with this call or the Eovaldi call. BTW, we didn't lose the Eovaldi game because the pitchers Cora brought in pitched poorly. They got the hitters out or got them to hit the ball weakly, except for the one hard 2B. The balls fell in while ours bounced into the stands or off the wall right to the SS. A little luck and we win that game, and no hindsight can prove Cora made the wrong call. As it ended up, we lost,so it must have been the bad choice. I don't buy that. I respect the hell out of you Max, but we just don't see this part of game/people judging the same way. I'm not saying I'm right. I was wondering why he pulled Eovaldi so soo, too, but I just will never blame a lost game on a call like that.

It starts with Cashman not being held accountable and Cashman not holding Boone accountable. I think, over time, a team reflects its owners.

Your statements make no sense. You are all over the map. You never answer why you said "HR% most of the times are fluke outcomes" and how that relates to Porcello and his career HR%. You went on to explain how you were talking over small sample size, which explains nothing and further muddies your point. I've been in this discussion from the start and all the way through. Saying I don't understand what the discussion is about is not just wrong, but it adds nothing to my point about you not answering my question. You never came close to answering what the hell HR%s and fluke outcomes means or how it pertains to the discussion about Porcello being mediocre or good.

Sale looked pretty good today, except for the 6 hits in 3.2IP (1 HR and 3 DBLs). 64 pitches 46 strikes 9 Ks out of 11 outs! 0 BBs Maybe one more start might be best, but I still think he's better now, than Richards or Perez.

YES! That's how I see it. We may even have to pitch in some cash to offset some of their salaries, but we'd still cut some salary. The return is not important. The roster slot opened makes us not have to demote DHern or Sawamura. We still end up adding a pitcher in another trade- a pitcher better than Richards or Perez. Sale replaces Workman New pitcher replaces Richards/Perez. I only mentioned Sawamura, because I think he has trade value, and I'd rather have DHern than him.