moonslav59

Sounds reasonable, so it can never fly.

WAR does not penalize or glorify flashy D, but it does reward good to great defenders and penalize poor defenders. (It can actually partially negate a negative WAR, who has a horrific offensive WAR component player. LOL!) The fact is, Bogey's WAR would be a lot better, if his defense was top notch. Iggy's WAR would be a lot lower, if he was a bad defender. Alex Gonzo's offense was actually pretty good- for a SS in those days, but not when he was on the Sox. His offense sucked.

I said it was an incomplete list. Feel free to add them to it.

Although Wacha and Hill have been used in the pen and could be for the Sox, I think they might have the inside track on winning rotation slots, leaving Houck and Whitlock as cornerstones to the 2022 Sox pen. 1. Eovaldi 2. Sale 3. Pivetta 4. Wacha 5. Hill (Paxtom maybe replaces the worst of the five, if and when he joins the team.) I think the plan is to fill in a slot or two in the pen: 1. Houck 2. Whitlock 3. ______ 4. Barnes 5. Brasier 6. Taylor 7. Davis (no options) 8. Sawamura/DHern/Valdez/Bazardo (Seabold/Winckowski)

Fossom helped us get Schilling, so his name matters. Alex G hit 23 HRs with 88 RBI the year after he left Boston. In the 3 seasons after leaving Boston, he had a combined .700 OPS with a 650 PA line of... .247 21 78 (38 2B+3B)- this from a guy known for great or plus D. Yes, his name is "big" enough. From 2003-2009, his 650 line was .252 17 73 (38 2B+3B)

The players we drafted with their comp picks: Pedro> Clay Buchholz + Damon> Daniel Bard Beltre> JBJ & Swihart Papelbon> Brian Johnson Kimbrel ERod> ??? Porcello VMart> Barnes & Owens (Drafted w OCab com pick) Ellsbury> Kopech Ja. Bay> Workman & Brentz JBJ Mueller Joe Kelly Alex Gonzalez> Nick Hagadone

Yes, I knew that but placed him in the wrong list. Thanks.

Some big-name players that left the Sox under Henry's watch (not a complete list): Via Free Agency: Pedro Damon Beltre Papelbon Kimbrel ERod Porcello VMart Ellsbury Ja. Bay JBJ Mueller Joe Kelly Alex Gonzalez Via Trade: Betts Manny Lester AGon Nomar Beckett Lackey Price Renfroe Beni Renteria C Crawford A Miller C Crisp Reddick T Shaw Youkilis B Arroyo W Miley D Wells Fossum

Expanding to 28 would be a major get by the players, and would likely lessen demands in other areas. It would be a huge job security boost and pay increase for the 2 players added (from minor league play to major league pay.) I think 26-27 is enough, and I don't want to add to the chances more RP'ers are called in per game. It's the most boring part of the game, to me. I think adding a roster spot for double headers only would be enough.

With the 26th roster slot, it might not be so bad. Could they add a 27th slot just for Sundays?

It probably will not be a major factor or even a factor at all in them missing the playoffs, though, but it could still be better.

As I recall, his physical showed his arm was attached by a "thread." His IP for the Mets... 217 133 28 109

I'm not sure any team feels totally content with their pen or pen depth.

I almost started with 1999 or just the Henry era, which would have been even later.`

With Trivino #6-10. Without Trivino #11-15

So many of the better FA RP'ers in last winter's market flopped, got hurt or did worse than many team's who signed them hoped they'd do. It's such a crapshoot. Hendriks was one of the better options, but look at others... $54M/3 Hendriks $11M/1 T Rosenthal $11M/1 B Hand $18M/2 Treinen $16M/2 T May $13M/2 P Baez $6M/1 Colome, Bradley & Yates $7M/2 K Giles

This has nothing to do with planning for the 2022 pen.

You should know counting on all your RPers to not have bad years is very wishful thinking. Most teams use over 14 every year. If you guys are in the race, you will likely trade for a RPer at the deadline… Or not (and lose again.)

if the Ms GM feels he does not need any relief additions, enjoy another season with no playoffs.

Top fWAR by any Sox Player since 2000: 5.0+ (Red= Pitchers) 10.4 Betts '18 9.5 Ellsbury '11 9.4 Pedro '00 8.3 Betts '16 7.9 Pedey '11 7.6 Sale '17 7.6 Nomar '00 7.4 Pedro '03 7.4 Pedro '02 6.8 Bogey '19 6.6 Betts '19 6.5 Schill '04 6.4 Beltre '10 6.4 Pedey '08 6.3 Papi '07 6.2 Sale '18 6.2 Youk '08 6.2 AGon '11 5.9 Youk '09, Devers '19, JD '18 5.8 Manny '03, Nomar '03 5.7 Beckett '07 5.6 Eovaldi '21 5.5 Pedro '01 5.4 Lester '09 5.3 Betts '17, Manny '02, Papi '06, Papi '05, JBJ '16 5.2 Bogey '21, Manny '01 5.1 Porcello '16 5.0 Nixon '03

Best Red Sox Non-Pitching fWAR Seasons Since 2000: 10.4 Betts '18 9.5 Ellsbury '11 8.3 Betts '16 7.9 Pedey '11 7.6 Nomar '00 6.8 Bogey '19 6.6 Betts '19 6.4 Beltre '10 6.4 Pedey '08 6.3 Papi '07 6.2 Youk '08 6.2 AGon '11 5.9 Youk '09, Devers '19, JD '18 5.8 Manny '03, Nomar '03 5.3 Betts '17, Manny '02, Papi '06, papi '05, JBJ '16 5.2 Bogey '21, Manny '01 5.0 Nixon '03 4.9 Pedey '16, Bogey '18, JD Drew '09, Bogey '16 4.8 Nomat '02, Betts '15 4.7 C Everett '00, Mueller '03, Victorino '13, Pedey '09, Devers '21, Bogey '15 4.5 Lowell '07, Papi '16 4.4 Crisp, Beni, Damon 4.3 Damon, Pedey 4.2 Youk, Papi, Ellsbury 4.1 Youk, JD Drew, VTek 3.9 Kike '21

So, does this mean the M's now want him?

Justin Mason's 2022 SP Rankings (Fantasy): 13. Sale 40. Eovaldi 86. Houck 131. Wacha 169. Pivetta

There are several cricket and polo fields near me. The land of diversity- welcomed or not.

1.3+ WAR Listed 2000: 9.4 Pedro, 2.4 Lowe, 1.8 Fassero. 1.3 Garces 2001: 5.5 Pedro, 3.0 Nomo. 2.2 Castillo, 1.6 Lowe, 1.4 Cone 2002: 7.4 Pedro, 4.6 Lowe, 2.7 Wake, 1.8 Burkett, 1.8 Fossum, 1.3 Urbina 2003: 7.4 Pedro, 3.6 Wake, 2.7 Burkett, 2.4 Lowe, 1.9 Kim 2004: 6.5 Schill, 4.9 Pedro, 3.3 Arroyo, 2.2 Lowe, 1.6 Foulke, 1.4 Wake 2005: 3.0 Wells, 2.5 Clement, 2.4 Arroyo, 1.8 Timlin. 1.8 Wake, 1.7 Schill 2006: 4.5 Schill, 3.1 Paplebon 2007: 5.7 Beckett, 2.9 Dice-K, 2.3 Schill, 2.1 Paplebon, 1.9 Wake 2008: 4.3 Beckett, 4.3 Lester, 2.8 Papelbon, 2.8 Dice-K 2009: 5.4 Lester, 4.2 Beckett, 1.9 Papelbon, 1.4 Penny 2010: 4.9 Lester, 3.3 Lackey, 3.0 Buch, 2.1 Dice-K, 1.3 D Bard 2011: 3.8 Beckett, 3.0 Papelbon, 2.6 Lester, 1.3 Bard 2012: 2.4 Lester, 1.4 Beckett 2013: 3.3 Lester, 3.1 Koji, 2.7 Buch, 2.5 Lackey, 2.3 Doubront 2014: 3.8 Lester, 2.0 Lackey, 1.3 Buch, 1.3 A Miller 2015: 3.3 Buchholz, 2.7 Miley, 1.5 ERod. 1.4 Koji 2016: 5.1 Porcello, 4.4 Price, 2.9 Wright 2017: 7.6 Sale, 3.2 Kimbrel, 3.0 Pomeranz, 2.0 Porcello, 2.0 ERod. 1.5 Price, 1.4 Fister 2018: 6.2 Sale, 2.4 Porcello, 2.4 Price, 2.1 ERod, 1.5 Eovaldi (54 IP), 1.3 Kimbrel 2019: 3.7 ERod, 3.6 Sale, 2.3 Price, 2.1 Workman, 1.8 Porcello, 1.3 Barnes 2020: 0.9 Eovaldi, 0.5 Brasier, 0.4 Houck (17 IP), 0.4 Perez, 0.3 Mazza 2021: 5.6 Eovaldi, 3.8 ERod, 2.2 Houck, 2.1 Pivetta, 1.6 Whitlock, 1.3 Barnes