moonslav59

Could taking right-handed batting Piscotty and his salary from the A's, to lessen the return package need to get Manaea or Montas (plus maybe Trivino or Langeliers) be worth a looksee?

Agreed. Is there any RHB OF'er who signed, this winter, that was near worth his salary?

I'm not arguing about my opinion on Seabold, last year being right or wrong. I'm totally fine with changing my opinion based on his numbers not matching the scouts observations. I'm talking about your opinion that he was horrible in AAA, last year. Did the scouts say or hint that he was "horrible?"

Not really related to IFA rankings, but I found this interesting. Top 100 prospects are not all there is to ranking or rating a farm system, but based on top 100 prospects, our worst 5 seasons out of the last 33 have been: 33. 2019 32. 2018 31. 2002 30. 2001 29. 2020 https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/1/23/22897560/red-sox-top-prospects-history-baseball-america-top-100 Top 100's since 1990: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L1H_USzTBUu5Hloc45vJV3-LTX5vfr-les_DSszC_gs/edit?hl=en&hl=en#gid=1

I understand the penalty period had a lot to do with the 2015-2018/19 period being rather lame. I never made any comments about our scouting or talent evaluations of IFAs being lame. I only stated that we have not had a big-named IFA since the 2015 signing period. There are many reasons and/or excuses, but we have not. Have we already signed the next guy? Maybe- maybe not. I like Bello and Bleis. Maybe Gonzalez or Jimenez rise up, soon. None have made the national top 100 lists in a long time, for many reasons.

Did you read my last post? I'm granting the chances someone in our system, now, might crack the top 50 or 100 in a few years, but there that doesn't speak to 2015-2018 or 2019.

We were talking about his performance in AAA in 2021. Yes, he was horrible in this game.

Well said. I'm feeling good about the Sox in 2022. I haven't felt this way, at the start of a season, since March 2019.

I'm granting the chances someone in our system, now, might crack the top 50 or 100 in a few years, but there that doesn't speak to 2015-2018 or 2019. We've his a low point for a few years. Hopefully, that has already started to change, but it' been a long time, since we've had an IFA in the national rankings. Bogey was signed in Aug 2009. He was ranked on 18th soxprospects.com in June 2011, 4th in Sept '11 and #1 in Sept '12. Devers was signed in July 2013 and reached #18 by Apr '14. He was #12 by June '13 and #4 by Sept '14. He reached at #2 by '15, thanks to Moncada being #1. Later, he made it to #1. Espinoza was signed in July 2014 and was ranked #11 in a year, #3 in 14 months and #3 by April '16. Moncada was signed in March 2015 and was #2 that same April. He was number 1 by July, the same year he was signed. Players drafted after 2014 in soxprospects top 10: Mata has reached #2 (7/18) A Flores #7 (4/19) Aldo Ramirez #10 (11/25) and #9 (5/21) Bello #7 (8/21) and #6 (11/21) I'm not sure who and when our IFA's were in the top 25, 50 or 100, but we haven't had one in a while. Can anyone name the last 5 IFAs that cracked the top 100, 50 and 25 in national rankings?

No, it isn't, especially now that the child tax credit payments have stopped.

The death of Flores is "an excuse," but getting yourself penalized should not be an excuse. Our team got us there. We have pretty much sucked compared to other teams Look, I get the ages of these kids are young, but I'm talking 2014 as our last banner year.

I'm not talking soxprospects.com: I'm talking nationally ranked. How long did it take Bogey, Devers, Moncada & Espinoza to reach top 100, top 50 or top 20 in national rankings? Can or do we expect any of our current prospects to ever be top 25 or 50? We may not even see a top 100 prospects in a while, except maybe Bello.

Many of our IFAs signed long ago were instantly or near instantly ranked very highly, and I didn't even list Anderson Espinoza who was a top 20 prospect that got hurt.

Just because there are valid excuses for why we have nobody since 2014 does not change the fact that we have nobody since 2014. Sure, maybe one of these young guys will move up the value charts in the next year or two, but I'm not seeing the generational talent we used to get before. Guys like Bogey, Devers and Moncada we recognized pretty early on as being unbelievably promising. We haven't gotten anyone like that in a long time. The penalties were our own fault, so that's not a valid excuse. Flores dying was certainly an excuse, but we never got to see if he was in that group I just mentioned or not. The system has change, but other teams in the same boat as us have done well with IFAs. We have not.

I think Duran hit lefties in the minors pretty well, so maybe he plays vs some lefties. (Yes, it would have made more sense for our 4th OF'er to be a LHB'er.

Do they agree he was "horrible" as you stated? Did you watch him?

Fair criticism, but I doubt we see players like Boey, Devers, Moncada &Montas from anyone taken in 2015 or afterwards. That's 7 years- some with restrictions, some with low bonus pools and some too recent to know much, but no doubt, we have slipped in this area.

I think Bloom is not the good prospects for 1 year of control type GM. If we could get the A's to add Langeliers, then maybe. (I'd say Trivino, too, but I don't want to start a riot.) BTV accepts this deal, where we trade a lefty OF'er for a salary dump right handed hitter and get our catcher of the future and a RH'd RP'er along with Manaea. Duran, Downs, Jordan & Walter for Manaea, Langeliers, Piscotty & Trivino

B-R 6'2 could mean 6-1 of 6 feet.

Top OPS (9+ ABs) 1.644 Fitzgerald 1.302 Dalbec 1.151 Koss 1.067 Devers 1.000 Duran .944 Cordero .600 Arauz .572 JBJ .450 Refsnyder .444 Downs .444 JD .222 Plawecki Top OPS 5-8 ABs 1.583 Arroyo 1.225 Hamilton 1.167 T Reed 1.056 Y Sanchez .800 Kike .775 Bogey ,666 Cottam .625 Rafaela .500 Vaz .334 Verdugo .125 Potts (DFA'd) .000 Rossario (DFA'd) .000 T Shaw Pitching by IP (ERA/WHIP) 7 Eovaldi 2.57/0.43 4 Schreiber 0.00/0.75 4 Danish 2.25/1.00 3 Cole 0.00/1.00 3 Davis 0.00/1.33 3 Feliz 0.00/0.67 3 Wacha 0.00/1.67 3 Pivetta 0.00/0.00 2.2 Houck 3.38/1.50 2.1 Hartlieb 7.71/0.86 2.0 Bracho 0.00/0.50 2.0 Feltman 4.50/0.50 2.0 Hill 0.00/1.50 2.0 Whitlock 0.00/2.50 2.0 Ort 0.00/1.50

He's one of a few that might make their way to a spot start or two, this year: Crawford Winckowski Seabold maybe Bello BTW, B-R has him listed at 6-2 and 190. In 4 minor league seasons, he has a 9.4 K/9 and 1.081 WHIP. (3.51 ERA)

Brasier rates to be our 3rd to 5th best RP'er, on paper. I don't think one bad ST'ing game changes that.

"Great?" One might argue, you and Old Red are one in the same posters. (Yes, I was and still am high on Seabold. My comment made before was in response to you saying he was horrible in AAA, last year, when he seemed okay to good, to me.)

-19.4 UZR/150 (actually more meaningful)

One areathe Sox have really slipped in is the IFA market. 2004: Doubront 2006: Dice-K & Okajima 2008: Tazawa 2009: Bogey, Montas, Iggy 2010: Aro 2011: Margot 2012: Bautista, Guerra & the Basabes 2013: Devers & DHern 2014: Moncada, Rusney, Bazardo 2015: Mata 2016: Hector Velazquez 2017: Bello 2018> basically crickets