moonslav59

I think so, too. I was speaking to those who did not think we should have offered ERod the QO. I'd try to get him to take ... $16M x 4 or $15M x 5

Is he much better than Kike was before this season?

They just announced they will spend more. Several teams have. With Dalbec and Casas, I doubt 1B is even a position we are thinking about adding to.

The best part about these $18M deals is the fact that they are for just one year. It's about the only way you can get (keep) quality players without going large and long.

I know the risk involved with signing old pitchers, but to me, these 5-8 year deals are riskier and more costly.

It's like calling Kike unproductive, because he didn't drive in 90 runs from the lead off slot.

I don't think OAK would accept this deal, but BTV did: Duran, Downs, Groome & Seabold for Montas & Trivino I don't think my suggestion is wildly off base. Montas has only 2 years of control and Trivino 3. The 4 players they get have 5-6 years of control, each.

I don't think a few dozen bad PAs out of the gate hurt Duran's stock as much as some think. Downs is raking, now. Groome's stock rose. I'm not sure that's enough, either, but BTV shows it's close. (Maybe we get one year of Manaea not 2 of Montas.)

I could see us signing one of ERod, Stroman, R Ray, Glausman or Rodon. Maybe we can work out a trade for Montas (2 yrs left) and get them to add Trivino, but I'm not sure we have the pieces and Bloom is willing to part with a few prospects (like maybe Duran, Downs and Groome). Sign a cheap infield utility guy like Iggy. Add a decent pen arm or two- nothing too costly is more likely. Eovaldi, Montas, Sale, ERod, Pivetta, Seabold Houck, Whitlock, FA, FA, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor Vaz & Wong Dalbec Arroyo & Iggy Bogey Devers Verdugo & Duran Kike Renfroe & Locastro JD Rest of 40 man: Groome, Winckowski, Crawford, Mata, Bello, Santos DHern, Valdez, Davis, Sawamura, Bazardo, Feltman RHern Downs Not on 40 man but may help in 2022: Casas, Munoz, Cordero

JD does not seem like the type of guy to be affected by it being a contract year, but it is nice having him in the 2022 line-up. $19+M is a lot of cash, but his leadership value is hard to quantify.

We might not even get a chance to pass as he may take the QO.

Yes, Semien might cost twice as much as Schwarber plus get more years. Castellenos is a closer comp.

His low RBI totals are not so much about him doing poorly with men on base. It's more about rarely getting over 600 PAs and not having men in front of him get on base or score when he gets a hit. He's only had 1 season over 510 PAs, so how many 100 RBI years should he have had? True, 90 RBI per 660 PAs is not great. I share your concern, but he does have these numbers: .836 career OPS .826 career RISP .850 career Men on Base One is slightly lower than his norm: one is slightly higher than his norm. This makes me wonder about his having less RBI opportunities than others. Does he hit more solo HRs than he should? 91 HRs in 1533 empty bases PAs. 62 Hrs in 1046 men on base PAs. Seems about the same, to me. JD has way better numbers with men on base: .881 career OPS .949 RISP .920 Menon Base 134 HRs in 2780 PAs with empty bases 132 HRs in 2515 PAs with men on base PAs It looks like JD's ratio of PAs with men on base is higher than Schwarbers and he hits a higher solo HRs than ones with men on base ratio.

I rarely care all that much about career OPS. To me, the last 2-3 years is most important. I adjust for younger and older players when trying to project what is to come. (Like Nelson Cruz should not be better than any of these others listed, going forward.) Also, more PAs is important. Last 4 years: .910 N Cruz .872 Castelleno .851 Schwarber .811 Semien Last 3 years: .936 N Cruz .880 Castellenos .862 Schwarber .854 Semien Last 2 years: .893 Castellenos .874 N Cruz .854 Schwarber .825 Semien 2021: .939 Castellenos .928 Schwarber .873 Semien (724 PAs- most in league) .832 N Cruz

Again, I was only saying the defense would be close to even with Schwarber in LF and Verdugo in RF. That's all. I never said I'd rather have Schwarber and $8M more in salary than Renfroe. I want every cent spent on pitching. I'm not sure how many more times I need to say that. If the money was even, I'd prefer Schwarber over Renfroe, but it's not a slam dunk choice. The money is not even, so I don't want Schwarber. I'm fine with you thinking he's over-rated. I don't think he is. I think he has just come into his own. (I could be wrong.) I sometimes respond to other people's posts and suggest alternative options that I might not even support. One more time: I do NOT want us to sign Schwarber, despite me liking him a lot.

If you just count 2021 or that short stretch of off-the-charts hitting- nobody on the FA market, except maybe Semien. If you go back a few years and count last 2, 3 or 4 years, there are others- Castellanos might be one.

Again, I've said over and over JD is not going anywhere. We agree on that, but somehow you twist it into me disagreeing. You don't like Schwarber- fine. I like him a lot. No, he's not the only option out there, and I never even came close to hinting at that position. BTW, the only reason I'm still talking about Schwarber is responding to your posts about No Schwarber, No Schwarber, No Schwarber.

I was only talking about defense. Again, I'm not for signing Schwarber. I just mentioned another possible option for finding room for him without saying trade JD for the 50th time- something you dislike me saying. I know you dislike Schwarber. I like him. I don't see a fit, unless we move other pieces. That's not teh same as saying I want to move other pieces to bring him back. I don't want Schwarber. I want pitching. Let me say it again; I don't want Schwarber. We don't have the resources to afford him, and it's too complicated to try and make room for him.

I'm saying we won't trade JD. I'm saying the only way I want Schwarber is if JD is not here. Why is that a problem saying that? It's pretty much saying we don't need 2 DHs. Sorry you have so many issues with my wording and use of superlatives.

33 Players on Our 40 Man Roster (ERod not listed. He has 10days to accept or decline the QO.) Listed in order of 40 man roster seniority... Vaz Bogey Barnes Sale Devers JD Brasier Eovaldi Taylor DHern Dalbec Arauz Plawecki Verdugo Valdez Pivetta Arroyo Houck Bazardo Mata Groome Wong Seabold Rosario Potts Whitlock Renfroe Kike Sawamura R Hernandez Duran Davis Locastro Red= borderline DFA/Trade candidates Rule 5 Candidates Certain: Downs Bello Winckowski Probable: Santos Crawford Feltman Possible: Cottam Jimenez Ward

No. You missed a major part of my position. LF is way less important than RF, especially in the 81 games at Fenway. Poor fielding is much more easily hidden in Fenway's LF than RF. I think these two OFs are similar in defense: LF Scwarber/Duran CF Kike RF Verdugo LF Verdugo/Duran CF Kike RF Renfroe/Verdugo This is not the same as saying Schwarber is equal to Renfroe on defense. Verdugo> Renfroe in RF (the important corer position) balances or almost balances the equation. BTW, saying Kike was the best CF'er I've seen on the Sox was not meant to slight Lynn and others. He has a great defensive year, and so did other Sox CF'ers from the past. It is not a no brainer position I hold. It was a close call, but it's my opinion.

Ok. I believe you, but I just don't remember the words "lifetime." BTW, I'm not for signing Schwarber, either, unless we trade JD- so, no chance. We need to spend nearly every penny and trade resources we are willing to part with on pitching. (I like Schwarber, though.)

QO Players have until Nov 17 to accept of decline the $18.4M QO. Correa Story Semien Seager ERod R Ray Verlander Syndergaard Iglesias Castellanos Conforto Freeman B Belt C Taylor I kinda liked the idea of maybe signing Verlander, but not if we lose a draft pick. I doubt the Sox sign any of these guys, except maybe ERod.

Red Sox Exercise $7M Option on Vazquez. There was a $250K buyout.

Even if Whitlock becomes a starter, we still need ERod or someone better. Not wanting ERod at $18.4M is not a crazy position, and you are not alone. I think those of us who want him to take the QO see the enormous advantage of a less risky 1 year deal for a quality pitcher over what it will take to get someone similar in trade or signing someone like ERod to 4-5+ years.