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Bring back ERod, trade for Montas and sign a decent RP'er. Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen. Hope Seabold and some others can offer depth. That might be all we get. I hope it's better than that, but I'm thinking this might be the best we can expect.

Nobody said sign him to a lifetime contract. You called or implied suggesting $14-15M x 4 or 5 years "lifetime- not anyone else."

Imerely suggested it as an alternative. BTW, Renfroe is no plus in the more important corner OF position, so I'd say these two defensive OF's are pretty close to even: LF Schwarber/Duran CF Kike RF Verdugo LF Verdugo/Duran CF Kike RF Renfroe/Verdugo

I trust Bloom, too, and I have said I doubt he's even considering a JD trade.

He did not sign Schwarber. He traded for him. We could also think of trading Renfroe or non-tendering him and move Verdugo to RF and have Schwarber in LF. If Shwarber costs $15M and Renfroe $7M, we'd be adding $8M for the swap out.

Schwarber has decent career numbers with RISP and men of base. That's not really why he has low rbi totals.

It's about next year and beyond, at this point.

The Perez signing looked like a great move after his first 11-13 starts. At that point, he had the best stats of the rotation, but then the wheels and frame cam off and fell apart.

I've waffled on the idea of trading JD. The only reason I prefer Schwarber to JD is the age and less AAV. I'm all for spending on pitching and only pitching.

Not sure if we can trade JD with cash and then sign Schwarber, and if this is even worth considering.

As expected. Good choice.

I had Davis highlighted in red, along with Rosario, Arauz, Locastro & Plawecki.

There are no "do-overs" in QOs or life!

The $32M/year sounds about right. He'll get more than 5, but I do NOT think this is the slap in the face the Lester deal was. Also, will they counter with another offer, if Correa's agent comes back with $240/7? Lester's agent never responded.

If they'd stop doing instant replay, I'd start watching the NFL, again.

Both dates are today?

I think we acquire 5-7 players that need placement on the 40 man roster. Add 3-6 Rule 5's and someone has to go. Multiple someones.

35 Players on Our 40 Man Roster (No ERod/ Yes JD- for now) (33without Perez & Richards) Listed in order of 40 man roster seniority... Vaz Bogey Barnes Sale Devers JD Brasier Eovaldi Taylor DHern Dalbec Arauz Perez (team option likely to be declined) Plawecki Verdugo Valdez Pivetta (Wow! #17 in roster seniority and acquired last summer!) Arroyo Houck Bazardo Mata Groome Wong Seabold Rosario Potts Whitlock Renfroe Kike Richards (team option likely declined) Sawamura R Hernandez Duran Davis Locastro Red= borderline DFA/Trade candidates Blue= options

Makes me wonder, if he is working on a longer term deal, as we speak.

MLBTR headlines: The Giants Are Set For One Of The Busiest (And Maybe Biggest-Spending) Offseasons Of Any Team Astros Offer Carlos Correa Five-Year, $160MM Contract

It's funny. And, we didn't even know Whitlock would be Whitlock until a month or so into the season.

Today is the last day for teams to issue qualifying offers to eligible free agents. Teams must make their decisions by 4pm CT, but the identities of some QO free agents have already been reported or even officially announced by their respective clubs. We’ll update this list throughout the day, but here are the players who already know will be getting the one-year, $18.4MM deal… Nick Castellanos, Reds Michael Conforto, Mets Robbie Ray, Blue Jays Corey Seager, Dodgers Marcus Semien, Blue Jays Trevor Story, Rockies Noah Syndergaard, Mets More on QOs from MLBTR... These players now have until November 17 to decide whether or not to accept the offer. If they accept, they’ll receive $18.4MM next season, and can’t be traded until June 15, 2022. They also won’t be eligible to receive a qualifying offer in any future trips to free agency (players are also ineligible for the qualifying offer if they haven’t spent at least one full season with their current team). Since the qualifying offer system was introduced in the 2012-13 offseason, 10 of the 96 players to receive a QO have taken the deal. If a player rejects the qualifying offer, draft pick compensation is now attached to their market, unless they re-sign with their former team. Teams who sign a QO free agent will have to surrender at least one draft pick, and potentially some international bonus pool money depending on their status as revenue-sharing recipients or whether or not they exceeded the luxury tax threshold. (Here is the list of what every team would have to give up to sign a QO free agent.) If a QO free agent signs elsewhere, that player’s former team receives a compensatory draft pick based on this criteria…. A draft pick after Competitive Balance Round B will be awarded if the team losing the free agent did not receive revenue sharing or if the free agent in question signed a contract worth less than $50MM in guaranteed money. A draft pick after Round 1 will be awarded if the team losing the free agent received revenue sharing and the free agent in question signed for more than $50MM. A draft pick after Round 4 will be awarded if the team losing the free agent paid luxury tax penalties in the preceding season. As always, several factors are weighed by both teams and players about whether or not to issue or accept qualifying offers. This winter provides yet another wrinkle — this could be the final year of the current qualifying offer system due to the expiration of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement on December 1. It is widely expected that the owners could lock out the players if a new deal isn’t reached by that date. In the event of a lockout, MLB would institute a roster freeze on all transactional business involving Major League players, thus bringing the free agent market to a halt. With this deadline looming, it is possible we could see some QO recipients (those less certain of landing big multi-year contracts) choose to accept the one-year deal in order to guarantee themselves some financial and contractual security prior to a possible lockout. By that same token, this could make teams warier about extending the qualifying offer to certain players due to a larger suspicion that they would accept…or perhaps a player’s willingness to accept could make a team more inclined to issue a QO to a so-called borderline case.

True. Technically, it's not a debate. You do both. The debate is only what ERod chooses to do: take the offer or try to get a better longer deal- perhaps with the Sox. He may have already gotten some idea of what they are willing to give, longer term.

I always think that, but it hardly ever happens. I think every team is looking at some sort of roster crunch. Of course the real bad teams might view our borderline players as better than their 39 or 40th players, but I would not claim our bottom of the 40 man roster is much better than average. Ideally, we'd make a couple 3 for 1 trades, which would allow us to protect everyone with a significant chance of being Rule 5 selected or claimed, if we DFA them as well as having room for a few FAs and players like Locastro- as there may be more out there, like him, to be plucked from the waiver wire. Waiver deals are some of Bloom's better deals (Arroyo, Valdez, Shaw, Iggy...)

I have made the point that we have way fewer slots to fill, this winter vs last, and we have Rule 5 players to add and maybe Casas and Seabold adding something to the 2022 26 man roster, but I can't see us signing or trading for less than 3-4 significant players to the 26. Then, we may also add some minor league depth that requires 40 man roster inclusion.