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  1. moonslav59
    I'm not so sure about that. $20M for 1 year is less money and less long term risk than the top FA SSs will get. Teams losing their stud SS will maybe want a replacement.
  2. moonslav59
    I just threw out one example: here's another. Trade Bogey for someone like Urquidy and sign Baez to $20M x 4 or 5 yrs. That's cheaper than extending Bogey to $30M x 8.
  3. moonslav59
    This year's team, no. Perez was our ace after 11 starts. Richards was our top RP'er for a couple weeks. Price would not have helped. As for "last year?" Price didn't play, Richards was not here, and Perez basically sucked.
  4. moonslav59
    I saw dumping Price as a plus for us: others saw it differently. My guess is, it was pretty close to a wash, at the time of the trade.
  5. moonslav59
    And, it depends on what you get for that $30M of added budget space.
  6. moonslav59
    I'll take the 4 years over one of Bogey plus the budget space to keep ERod or sign Stroman or the like.
  7. moonslav59
    We can probably keep ERod at the price of Bogey's extension + the cost of Urquidy. Would you trade Bogey for 4 years of Urquidy and the ability to sign and keep ERod?
  8. moonslav59
    I put $25M but it is actually more at the start and less later- so maybe an avg of $25M. It's 100% of Bett's contract once Verdugo's time is up.
  9. moonslav59
    Great trade for us, IMO.
  10. moonslav59
    Except that the value, though less, is spread out over a longer period AND the money saved by not signing Bogey, which is not part of the trade evaluation, helps us sign other players that tips the balance. One can say we traded Betts for Verdugo and $25+M a year in spending room for many years.
  11. moonslav59
    I understand the optics of losing Betts and Bogey in a 2 year period is stunningly bad to most fans. If it's about winning and only winning, we may need to consider trading Bogey. If we could not sign Betts due to some budget formula, and it was not about a single tax reset, then that formula must preclude extending Bogey, too. (IMO)
  12. moonslav59
    IMO, if one of our players reaches free agency, we did not think they were worth what market value says they were worth. I don't think we ever wanted to pay Lester what he ended up getting, let alone $1 more. We were not going to pay Betts, so we traded him. Personally, because of Bogey's meh defense, I would not pay him $28M x 6 or 7 years, and he may get more than that! I don't know what Devers is worth, since he is 2 years away from free agency, but I'm more inclined to pay him the market rate than Bogey.
  13. moonslav59
    Then why not trade half your team? Aren't half of them injury prone?
  14. moonslav59
    I don't disagree, but some players are determined to reach free agency and max out their one big deal.
  15. moonslav59
    Agreed. Make a fair offer and trade him, if he refuses it. I'm not for handing him away, but if we can get 3-4 years of a good player for 1 of Bogey, I'm thinking yes.
  16. moonslav59
    So, what's the next logical step, if we aim to go towards keeping Devers (if any)? Do we just settle on a measly draft pick for Bogey? I know people here think I undervalue Bogey, but it seems some think we'll get nothing much in return for him and think the draft pick is good enough.
  17. moonslav59
    No doubt. My position is Devers forevers. If we can only keep one, it's a no-brainer, for me. If we can find a way to keep both, I'm thinking of a position change or two, and that just gets too complicated. I guess I'm at the point where I'm thinking we should look to trade Bogey but not hand him away.
  18. moonslav59
    Betts had one year left at $27M. Yes, maybe the Dodgers were one of just a couple of handfuls of teams that would take on that contract, but he was more than worth that contract as Bogey is more than worth $20M/1. Was Verdugo, Downs and Wong worth what Betts is worth? No, but for 1 year, yes. Will we get anything near that for Bogey? No, but we'll get more than the value of a sandwich pick. Do you really think we won't of can't get more than that for Bogey? Are there 10 teams that would trade for Bogey? I'd say no, unless we take some salary back, but I do think there would be more than one team bidding up the return value to get him. A team might also think, like they can extend him, like the Dodgers did with Betts. I'm not saying we should just trade Bogey for the best offer, if the offer wasn't better than a comp pick. I would think it should be much better. Yes, it's only 1 year, but one year of Bogey is worth a hell ofa lot more than whole careers of most prospects drafted after the first round.
  19. moonslav59
    Gotta be.
  20. moonslav59
    Much more than the value of a sandwich pick. Several teams are losing their stud SS, this winter. $20M for Bogey is a nice contract for many teams who can pay it. Look, many hated the Betts trade, and we won't get anything near that return, but we should get more than the value of a draft choice. We could then sign Baez for $10M a year less than Bogey will make and have a SS and whatever we get for Bogey plus budget space going forward. How much is that worth?
  21. moonslav59
    I see the situations as being very similar, but the scale of value is less. Bogey has a lot of value, but it's not that of Betts after 2019. Do we really risk getting just a QO pick in hopes we can outbid and overpay Bogey for 6+ years, minimum? I really think we extend him or trade him- maybe at the deadline, which would do him a favor with the loss of the comp pick.
  22. moonslav59
    I doubt he's traded, too, but getting just a QO pick would be so much worse than the Betts deal. If we extend him, I hope it's to play 2B or 3B for the majority of the deal. The guy can flat out hit. Look what he did, this year playing with a bum wrist for much of it.
  23. moonslav59
    I'm not sure he's over-rated, because I've never heard him called great. Yes, the guy played well, when he played, but he's never played more than 137 games and only over 123 twice. 3 seasons at 89+ games. 4 seasons over 81 games.
  24. moonslav59
    Current GMs are often discussed? Who knew?
  25. moonslav59
    BTV accepted this one: Bogey to HOU Urquidy & Downs to OAK Andrus, Montas & Trivino to BOS
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