moonslav59

He might get $27 or $28M x 9 or 10.

Almost all the "dead money" was Ben's but the point I think he was making was that DD was allowed to spend more than Ben and Bloom. He also traded more of the farm away than Ben & Bloom, so the thought is, a good team was expected as the window was narrowed. While Ben was allowed to spend, at times (HRam, Pablo & Castillo), he was also limited several years. DD was limited in 2019, and the team declined. $10M+ Free Agent Contracts: DD $217M Price $110M JD $68M Eovaldi $13M C Young $13M Moreland Ben $95M Pablo $88M HRam ($73M Castillo) ($63M Moncada) $39M Vic $32M Napoli $26M Ortiz $18M Koji $13M Dempster (retired leaving another $13M on the table) $10M S Drew Bloom $14M Kike $10M Richards Other notable signings: Ben: Pedroia- $90M (extension) Porcello- $83M/4 (extension) DD: Kimbrel- $42M/4 (traded for CK) C Sale $33M/5 (traded for CS) $145M/5 C Sale (extension) $120M/6 Bogey (extension- actually $60M/3 w optout) Bloom: $19M: Barnes (extension) Did I miss anyone major?

If you had to choose one?

It might not be what we want. It's what it might take. So, you draw the line at $29-30M? Would you lock either up at $28M x 6, 7 or 8 years? If not, you are basically saying good bye to both.

You think you can get Bogey to sign a 5 year deal? I know this isn't the "Realistic" thread, but still... Devers is still very young. To lock him up with an extension would almost certainly be to 2030.

Not everyone who spends big wins rings, so I give DD a lot of credit, but your point is solid. We should have expected greatness with that roster and budget, but had we not won, would that have been DD's fault? I guess that's just the way it is with GMs.

Will Arbitration be replaced in the next CBA? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html Will FAs sign before the current CBA expires? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/corey-seager-marcus-semien-rumors-sign-before-cba-lockout.html

I think his lux tax hit is just $22M a year, because MIA pays $3M/yr.

So, you support this? $30M x 8 Bogey $29M x 8 Devers (eventually) $25.6M x 3 Sale's remaining lux tax numbers That's almost half of the lux tax threshold, counting player benefits, on 3 players. (I'm not saying I'm against it, but I don't think this is a winning plan, in the long run.)

So? (I think they knew he'd say no.)

Just for argument's sake, which option would you choose: A: Extend Bogey at $30M x 8 beginning in 2023. ($20M in 2022) B: Trade Bogey for 4 years of Urquidy, who is still pre-arb, then has 3 arb years left at maybe ($5M, $10M and $15M, assuming he does well, so $30M total). Sign Baez to $20M x 5 years. Total: $20M 2022 (same as Bogey), $25M 2023 ($5M less than Bogey- see 2025), $30M in 2024 (same as Bogey), $35M in 2025 ($5M more than Bogey- cancels out 2023), but then we'll have $10M more to spend per year from 2026 to 2030: 5 years)

I am one who does count winning a ring as an essential part of grading out a GM, but considering what Bloom was handed for a roster, budget and cost-cutting priorities, I can't see how anyone can say he has not done a fine job rebuilding the 40 man roster depth and farm. Whether some of us go overboard is something that is probably true, but I don't see it happening more with Bloom than other recent Sox GMs before they won their first ring.

Indeed. My only beef is with not having superb defensive skills at a very important defensive position, but it appears he has shown a willingness to change positions, at some point. He is certainly a great plus player at SS and in the clubhouse. I guess I have a secondary beef. If I was going to spend large and long on anyone, it would have been or be Betts, then Devers, then Bogey. We obviously decided we could not keep all 3, and keeping just 1 might be up for grabs, but Bogey is #3 in my book.

It had to do with thinking we can spend $300M more wisely on several players. Plus, we got some return value on top of that in Verdugo, Downs & Wong.

I get your position, but the equation is not Bogey vs a 1 WAR player x 4 yrs. You get that player plus what you can buy with the money saved. I respect anyone's opinion, who wants to keep Bogey, but if we are going to spend $28-30+M for 7-10 years on Bogey, I'd have rather we spent a little more and kept Betts, or if it comes down to either-or, I'll take devers over Bogey. If we keep them both, Hnery better open up his wallet over the next 7+ years, or we are going to see a pretty weak 40 man roster in support of Boegy, Devers and Sale.

There are at least 2 ways of looking at the trade vs keep Bogey situation: 1. Trading 1 year of Bogey and losing the $20M budget cost for something worth more than a comp pick. Trade: Positive: we get a player better than a comp pick and maybe $18-20M to spend on 2022. Negative: we lose 1 year of Bogey during a promising window opportunity that could be closing. No Trade: Positive: We get one year of Bogey and a comp pick. Negative: We spend $20M on Bogey and not someone else and have just a comp pick after 2022. 2. We look at Extending or re-signing Bogey vs trading him. (Let's assume we have to pay him a minimum of $28M x 7 years.) Trade and not extend: Positive: We have $28M to spend over 7 years plus a player we get for Bogey. In theory, we could sign Baez to $20M x 4 or 5 and have enough to sign a decent RP'er and then have $27M to spend years 4-7. Negative: we lose Bogey's services not just for 1 year but for 1 + 7. Extend: Positive: We have Bogey for 1 + 7 years. Negative: We use up a bunch of budget space and have so-so to poor D at the SS position, or we move Bogey to 2B or 3B, eventually.

True, but Stanton is just one of many Yankee injury-prone players.

I'd rather have the $1 WAR player for 4 years plus $15-20M to spend on other players, depending on what the player costs we get for Bogey. It's not "lateral", when you figure in the budget. Also, even if you don't count the money, I'll take 1 WAR player x 4 years over a sandwich pick.

In theory, yes, but we got 5 years of Verdugo for 1 year of Betts- not to mention Wong, Downs and a ton of salary space (Betts for 1 year and half of Price for 3 years). The part about trading Bogey is the same but to a lesser degree. If we don't extend him at $28M x 7, assuming he takes that, we will, in theory, have that money to spend on other players PLUS that 1 WAR player for 4 years.

BTV accepted Bogey, Duran and Dalbec to HOU for Garcia.

There might be other teams willing to trade for Bogey and his one year deal- perhaps in hopes of extending him. I just find it kind of strange that if Bogey is as good as many here feel he is, myself included, nobody will give up anything of value for 1 year of him as a good rate of $20M.

Yes, and I answered that point, because I saw that.

Did I say "Happy?" If the Astros lose Correa, will they be happier not replacing him at all?

So, this season is 2022? The English language is so messed up.

Isn't the Marlins still paying part of Stanton's deal? They could throw some cash in to trade some of these guys. The point is, jacko wants to replace Hicks because of injury, but is okay keeping other injury prone players in place- it seems.