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Bloom had to think the prospects out weighed the money anfJBJs defense outweighed Renfroe’s offense. Or something close to that. I’m still scratching my head.

I’m just saying your statement was not similar to Ottavino. To trade JBJ, we’d have to pay a big chunk of his deal which involves a ridiculous buy out after 2022 OR give a prospect with him to get next to nothing back, IMO. (not both)

That’s not what the Ottavino trade was like. The Yanks did pay a tiny part of his contract, but they gave us a prospect to take the rest of his salary of their hands. We’d have to give a prospect with JBJ. It ain’t happening no matter how much some of us wish it could.

With Vaz being a free agent after 2022, the back up catching position is a little more meaningful.

I eat granola while viewing splits.

ERods bWAR and fWAR have been very far apart. FWAR has 2021 as ERid’s best season while bWAR has 2029 more than 3 x better than 2021!

Sometimes I mention it as an option but not always one I want. I do like Arroyo when he’s healthy, and his splits are almost equal v L and R. I do pay attention to splits more than most.

Kike playing musical chairs between CF and 2B was the reality of 2021. I’m not sure it’s a stretch to imagine it happening in 20222. For the record, and you should know this, I want Kike in CF full time.

Close to 99% there will be games by May 1st.

They could trade Plawecki, or he could get hurt or suck enough to get replaced. Or Vaz could get hurt.

Big if, but if Arroyo stays healthy, he may play 2B full time as Duran sits vs LHPs and maybe even vs RHPs.

Let’s hope the RPers we add this winter end up better than Andriese and Sawamura.

Agreed. The second best chance of a prospect winning a ft or platoon slot might be Duran, but batting left makes a platoon role look like a long shot. Maybe Wong or Hernández could beat out Plawecki as the back up catcher.

If a youngster is doing well enough and is ML ready, we’ll have plenty of open slots for him or them.

It’s hard enough to predict how well journeymen RPers will do in any given year in MLB, but I have to think they have better odds in Japan, unless they have serious adjustment to culture problems.

Merry Christmas!

Well, we did sign Andriese to an AAV of $2.1M and Sawamura to an AVV of $1.5M. Maybe his 4.55 ERA over his first 358 IP (over 4 seasons) was enough to impress Bloom. Certainly, his last 2 years should not have impressed anyone, but you know how most RP'ers are up and down. I'm thinking the odds favor him doing better in Japan.

Not surprising. Players need to stick together and demand a stiff raise for min wage and pre-arb salary raises.

Player Salaries down... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/2021-leaguewide-player-payroll-reportedly-down-4-relative-to-2019.html

Yes, it's quantity vs quality. I think he's just hoping 1 or 2 from Hill, Wacha and Paxton do well or plus.

I wouldn't mind seeing him and/or Robles back, at the right price.

Certainly yes! (2.7 bWAR, BTW) ERA+ 113 Ottavino 109 Robles 100 ERod 100 Perez 97 Richards 97 Rios 97 Workman 79 Andriese 64 Brice

These three can eat ERod's & Ottavino's innings, but there are hundreds of other innings needed to be replaced, too- inning of less than mediocrity.

The Perez, Richards, Andriese and Sawamura signing were no more impressive, and we ended up doing well, despite their lack of solid production. I'm hopeful we add 2 more solid pen arms-perhaps by trade.

Every year I get all optimistic over replacing mostly bad numbers with hopeful additions, and yet the following year just produces a whole new set of replaceable players with similar numbers and IP & PAs. I don't expect 2022 to be much different, but I remain hopeful we can do better with next winter's list. Here is what we are replacing, and I'm including some players still in our system, but who are expected not to play or to play just in mop up situations: IP/ERA 158/4.74 ERod 137/4.87 Richards 114/4.74 Perez 62.0/4.21 Ottavino 37.1/6.03 Andriese 25.0/3.60 Robles 24.1/3.70 Rios 20.0/4.95 Workman 13.2/6.59 Brice 30+/XXX Weber, Peacock, Feliz, Gonsalves, Schreiber, Brennen, Espinal... That's over 600 IP! (Over 43% of the 2021 team IP total!!!) Plus, maybe less IP by Valdez (40). Replaced by... Hill (100+?) Wacha (100+?) Paxton (50+?) TBA RP (60+?) TBA RP (60+?) We might get 350-400 from this group plus more IP from... Whitlock (73), Houck (69), Sale (43), Barnes (55), Taylor (48), DHern (40), Davis (17), Brasier (12), Seabold (3), Bazardo (3), Crawford (2), Winckowski, Feltman (0) PA/OPS 572/.816 Renfroe 271/.567 Marwin 168/.957 Schwarber 136/.497 Cordero 127/.597 Santana 82/.549 Chavis 75/.643 Arauz 64/.915 Iggy 48/.843 Shaw 16/.522 Lopez 11/.182 Munoz 7/1.262 Motter While losing Renfroe, Schwarber, Iggy and Shaw (852 PAs combined) looks very bad, there are also 725 PAs of scrubs combined that bring the overall numbers down to pretty close to mediocrity. (This is clearly the more difficult set of numbers to replace) Replaced by... JBJ (250+) TBA (450+) Suzuki? More PAs by... Bogey (603), Kike (585), Dalbec (453), Arroyo (181), Duran (112), Casas (0) I'm cautiously optimistic we can improve on 2021's overall numbers with 3 more solid additions: OF/2B, RP & RP.