moonslav59
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Which in a way just adds to the cost of the JBJ trade.
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No doubt, but Bloom also has a history of trading decent to very good players got prospects not generally thought of as sure fire MLers, but who ended up being very good ML players. I do think he expects more from these two prospects than we do. I get that his strategy is to add prospects to the pool in hopes a few come through, but I don’t think he equated these two to Frank German.
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I agree. It’s actually $12M AAVx2 years or $12M AAV for 1 year but an actual $17.5M cost for one year counting the buyout. I know overlooking the long term aspect of signing a better SPer is a big part of any comparative analysis, but adding $12M to the cost of Wacha and of Hill and Paxton gets us a very nice starter.
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Having to make another deal to fix losing Renfroe adds even more cost to the overall impact of this trade.
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So we trade our FT RFer who may be due for a decline to the point where he might be a zero WAR player making $7M for a part time OFer making $12M x 2 of $17.5m x 1 in hopes he bounced back. To Me, Bloom liked the prospects more than anyone I see on this site.
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I’m not trying to make you scratch your head like you seem to be trying to make me stop scratching mine if turn me into a Bloom basher. I get why many of you are fine with this deal. Some don’t seem to care about the money aspect and some think bounce back or bounce down by Renfroe are more likely than I do. I get it.
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His AAV is $12M. He has an $8M buyout for 2023 or another $12M to stay. It’s basically a $12M x 2 deal or $17.5M for 1. To me, that’s a boatload of money that could have upgraded a Wacha and of Hill or could be used to sign a very good IFer of RPer or two decent players. No, it’s not a$300M deal but $17.5 to $24M is a lot of money on a tight budget team. Hello .
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I’m surprised you gave him a D not an F-.
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I can see why he and others are not scratching their heads, but I still do not Like this one move. Another factor might be that we will spend over the tax line, so the money aspect is lessened. I’m going on the assumption that we are trying to stick to a strict budget under or near the tax line. If we end up signing Story or Suzuki, then the whole budget aspect of my position will change. I’m not sure why My head scratching over one deal seems to bother you so much.
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I think he believes one will.
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Why ignore 2015? He had more PAs in 2015 than the 2020 season uou want to turn into 162 games, right? His WAR declined, too.
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You can trust someone knows more than you do and still scratch your head. You don’t have to agree with everything someone does to trust them.
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A RPer plus a boatload of money to sign another player or two of upgrade a singing. I don’t get why many seem to overlook the money. We seem to have a finite budget, so adding salary in one trade means less spending on other moves,
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That’s been my point all along, and here’s where I trust him more than myself and others viewpoints on the likelihood either of the prospects do something positive for the big club someday.
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Aside from 2020 it’s clear. OPS+ over 118 in 2015 and 2016 and never above 92 in the next 4 full seasons. BWAR: 5.4 3.8 2.5 2.0 2.0 (short season) -0.7 You don’t see a decline beyond 2020 to 2021?
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You left out the money part that will prohibit us from signing a better player or two.
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Renfroe was not a salary dump like JBJ. We could have traded him for a cheaper RFer or a RPer
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Years ago. I still like the guy and love the defense, but he’s not at the same level anymore. Are we supposed to hate our favourite players as they decline? Can I be honest about what player he is now?
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I guess age matters. Okay, maybe .700 would not be a big surprise. Would it surprise you, if he hit .600-.650?
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I get the defense and prospects, and maybe that will outweigh the other aspects, but JBJ’s offensive decline stretches longer than 2021. Counting a decent season in the 60 game 2020 season does not change the fact that his offence has not been very good for 4-5 years, now. Sure, he’s young enough to still possibly have another decent year in him, but the bounce back argument rings hallow to me. He can improve by 100-150 points over 2021 and still be a negative on offense. Yes, Renfroe may likely be near even in 2022 production per dollar, but JBJ will more likely be an overall negative than Renfroe, and I’d say much more likely. The odds are not even close. It has to be about the prospects and defense.
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I wouldn’t say scratching my head at one move out if dozens and dozens shows distrust. I don’t like the move, but I trust he knows more than I do. BTW, I’ve liked several of his moves that ended up flipping. Does that count for anything?
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We did see one of the most exciting signing weeks in ML history.
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I did not forget the Renfroe offset, and if Renfroe does well in ‘22, he’ll make even more in his last arb year. I still think it’s a gross overpay, unless the prospects do well, or JBJ surprises us with a .700+ season, or Renfroe stinks up the place. BTW, you don’t “have to” offset JBJs contract with Renfroe’s, since we could have just traded Renfroe for a lower paid RF’er.
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I trust Bloom, but to me this was a head scratcher. Maybe it’s just lice.
