moonslav59

Thanks

Just wondering why someone thought trading for him would change his condition

I know Detroit can cause anyone to become manic, but do you really think it's the city that is the root cause of ERod's issues?

True. You just blame him for not getting a better return, despite not knowing what else was offered. I may be wrong, and I hesitate to ask you to clarify your position, as that often sets you off, but you seem to hold the position that Bloom must sign Bogey but don't want him to pay what most think he will get, and if we lose Bogey, it will be Bloom's fault. Am I wrong assuming this?

Let me reword it: do you think Henry let's Bloom go higher with Betts had DD not extended Sale? Same question with not signing Big Nate. I'm not saying I think yes. Maybe Henry has an upper limit nobody can cross.

I might be in a small minority, but I think Bloom might choose to be a seller, even if we are within 3-5 games- up od down- of the last WC slot. I think the long term plan is the top priority, but losing fans might be the only think holding him back- not like that is a minor thing.

Do you think henry lets DD go higher, if Sale's contract wasn't on the books? (Or maybe even Nate's?

But when we use that very excuse for Bloom, you dismiss it and still blame Bloom.

Seriously, folks, what GM not from La-La-Land could have spent $20M on 2020 and created a winner? Even in hindsight FA signings, it's impossible. Plus, that $20M was after we cut Betts and half of Price's contracts from the budget, so really, Bloom was handed a negative spending budget. To pretend Bloom chose to cut the budget by himself is complete fantasy. DD would have quit, if he was given the limits Bloom was given. He certainly could not have done any better. His M.O. is not finding gem for cheap. It's about spending large and then even larger. When his budget was restricted before 2019, what happened? Who chose to re-sign Eovaldi, Pearce and extend Sale and not Betts or Bogey? Some of you seem to blame Bloom for that.

Revisionist history is the new fad, these days. That and Alt facts.

The concept of context has no meaning to you. You think DD wins a ring in 2020 with $20M to spend? $20M doesn't even cover Betts and the $16M saved on Price.

What else are you counting? No rings? That is simple-mindedness, personified.

Not fiction, and when I made my statement, I qualified by saying he was given a solid core of 8-10 players and maybe another 10 so-so players. I stand by that statement, and will defend it. 1) Counting Betts as a core inheritance misses the fact that he was forced to trade him. 2) Counting Price and that contract as part of a solid foundation is what I'd call fiction. 3) Counting Sale with his injury situation is questionable, too. The cliff deniers want to think back with nostalgia at the 2019, and not recognize the train wreck was upon us, much quicker than even the cliff dwellers had imagined. I was very clear about the "mess" being the bottom 20 on the 40 man roster and a farm that had very few ML ready assets. Not the top 10. Maybe partially the next 10. Betts - to be traded Price- to be traded as salary dump Sale- injured ERod- to contract COVID, but certainly not known at the time of Bloom's take-over, so don't count the illness, if you wish. Bogey Beni Nate Barnes That's 8. Saying 10 by counting Vaz and Moreland, who was due to age decline very soon, and did is stretching the limits. I'll count them, but to me, they'd be in the so-so category of the next 10. Yes, teams do win with a core of 8-10 solid players, but it is very rare to see a team win with next to nothing as a supporting cast, and that's where the "mess" Bloom inherited was clearly focused on in my statements. Looking back on my statement, I'd say my biggest mistake was not calling it a mess, it was saying we have 10 "so-so players" after the core 8-10. Here's the reality: Betts & Price shouldn't really count, but they did bring us back Verdugo, who could be counted as a solid core player or a so-so player. Blame Bloom, if you must, for not getting a better return, but throwing in Price, someone you felt had plus value back when the trade was made, was one reason our return was limited. It was fantasy then, and hindsight proved Price was washed up and not a solid core guy. The "so-so players" I mentioned proved to be near replacement level players, mostly. Workman- good Taylor- good Chavis Dalbec Plawecki Walden DHern Hembree You call this not "a mess?" That brings us to 18-20 players, and that's counting Sale & ERod. The rest of the 40 man was a total disaster, and that is reality- not fiction. Being forced to trade Betts & Price, and having 10+ ML level slots to fill while also trying to upgrade the other 20 slots on the 40 man roster with just $20M to spend was clearly and certainly a total mess. That part was. Having a solid core of 8 players, including 2 that had to be traded and 2 that were hurt or would get COVID is not much of a foundation to work with. Then, your manager is forced out for a season, and Beni gets hurt for much of 2020, too. Big Nate misses 25% of his starts, and you guys, cling to your belief there was no such thing as a cliff approaching, chose to live in La-La Land and somehow expected Bloom to make us a contender in 2020. Too funny! Then, after some nice deadline moves in 2020, and the steal of Whitlock in rule 5, Bloom is given just $40M to spend before the 2021 season. Sure, several of his signings flopped or flopped for half the season, but Bloom, somehow built a winning team, but what? You guys thought a ring was called for under those conditions? Please! Talk about fiction!

You think he ends up in Greenville before the season ends?

Where did I even hint at saying no? Bloom took over a mess and got us to within 2 games of the WS in 1 year. We are in the race again this year.

Being proud of having a simple mind is not something to brag about. Context is needed. He was handed a 40 man roster with 20 holes and 10 so-so players, told to dump Betts and Price and given $20M to make them a contender in one year? He was handed $40M, the next year, which is not much, and he made them into a contender. Is that simple enough for you?

I doubt they rush Rafaela, but he's already got the D down. Duran and Rafaela would save money, so we could afford Judge. Maybe trade Verdugo for that much needed closer?

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Rafaela... http://news.soxprospects.com/2022/06/scouting-box-score-ceddanne-rafaela.html

So, we play Arroyo at 2B and sign Suzuki for RF and Iglesias to close, and never call on Story and Wacha.

Go ahead and count year one, where he was forced to trade Betts & Price and given $20M to spend, then Sale and ERod missed the season. Go ahead and count 2021, where he has $40M to spend and 10 slots to fill, while lasting longer in the playoffs than your Yanks. Yes, every team has injury issues, but not every team was handed a roster with 20 holes and a tiny spending budget. I'd like to see how well DD would have done with those budgets.

I heard he sneezed.

I get that and that context is legit, but when Bloom was responsible for $20M of that in 2020 and had a $40M winter spending budget before 2021, how can that be held against him. I think that context is important, too. Look at all the players we used in 2020. That wasn't all Bloom's fault. $20M for 20 players is going to net any GM what we saw in 2020. He's made some bad moves, for sure, but he's vastly improved the 40 man roster, the farm and the long term outlook of the budget.

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