moonslav59
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One aspect of being a GM must be maddening. You want to keep a star on your team and offer him a fair or slightly above market rate deal, but what is the market? The market is really what the wildest GM offers or MIGHT offer, but how do you know what that number is, or if teams like LAD and NYY will even pursue your player? So, if you want to keep Bogey, do you have to offer Seager or Correa type deals, and if you don't, some fans will blast you to kingdom come? The Sox top brass have made some serious mistakes, in the past, with lowball initial offers and slow secondary offers, if any. No doubt, but it's not an easy thing to do. I think they were fair with Betts. They were lucky Bogey took his last contract, but now at this age, I'm not sure they want to go much higher than Story's deal, and personally, I can't blame them. The Story deal is already looking a bit scary. Ideally, you lock young stars up early, like the Braves and Rays do, but we did sign Whitlock like that, and I think we tried to get Betts & Devers to do that a few years back, if I'm not mistaken. It's a rough business for guys just under the1 or 2 highest salary teams.
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Just with Kavadas. He should not ignore: 79 BB - 78 K Bonaci (.400 OBP) 2nd on the farm in total walks 53 BB- 60 Ks Hickey (.412 OBP) Kavadas has 86 BBs and 112 Ks- not a bad ratio but not the best.
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This is a big part of the "Rays way." So many player have their career years with them, and often they move on to be replaced by the next Springs. Sometimes, they can trade them for the next Springs.
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8/17 Red Sox @ Pirates 4:05EDT
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
The Yanks came back to beat the Rays! We are back to .500. We are now 4 down (5 in the loss column) to TBR & TOR. There are 3 teams between us and TBR/TOR. Lots of baseball left. This is not the same team as a few weeks ago. -
What a comeback! The loss to the Rays helps the Sox hopes stay alive.
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Chapman is toast.
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We hear a lot of criticism of how badly our offense is doing. Imagine having these numbers from all your batters with 70+ PAs (17 of them): OPS, listed in order of players by most PAs 755 767 563 726 819 740 704 724 649 714 475 788 627 477 499 584 548 This is the Tampa Rays. (.681 team OPS) Now, how about the Yanks? (14 players with 70+ PAs) .761 team OPS 1.061 798 825 729 690 640 644 807 621 723 609 1.138 621 526 Now, the Sox (before tonight): 14 over 70 PAs (.719 team OPS) 818 714 933 779 713 759 649 578 660 603 651 738 469 885 (Pham is at .831 but only 59 PAs)
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8/17 Red Sox @ Pirates 4:05EDT
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Where are all the DFA Arroyo posters? -
8/17 Red Sox @ Pirates 4:05EDT
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
If JD can keep walking 2-3 times a game, he can be productive. I'm not sure why pitchers are so afraid to pitch to him, though. -
8/17 Red Sox @ Pirates 4:05EDT
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
If the guy could just stay healthy... -
The fact that he is the 41st best player on the Pirates shows just how bad the Sox were in 2020.
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Most of the guys who get opt outs are signing extensions with teams that go beyond their arb years. It gives them some security while also giving them an upperhand, if they end up doing very well. (The Bogey situation is an example.) It's interesting to see that the biggest contract given to a player, Price, saw the player not opting out.
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Hey, the Pirates just DFA'd Austin Brice, so how bad can they be?
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Like I said, I was for offering Betts a lot more than he ended up getting. I'm also the "Devers Forevers" guys, but I'm just saying I understand the strategy not to do it.
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Actually, none of the biggest contracts have opt out. Top All Time Contracts: How many have/had opt outs? $426M Trout $365M Betts $341M Lindor $340M Tatis $330M Harper $325M Stanton $325M Seager $324M Cole $300M Machado $275M ARod '08 $260M Arenado $252M ARod '01 $248M Miggy $245M Strasburg $245M Rendon $240M Pujols $240M Cano $225M Votto (Price had an opt out with his $217M deal.)
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If you are ever going to large and long again, it should be with someone like Betts. Now that Devers is nearing crunch time, I feel almost the same as with Betts, but I can understand holding firm to the theory of avoiding extra large and extra long contracts.
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I think $300M was a fair offer and close to "market value," at the time. I would not offer more than the market value, unless you know you'd do that when he gets to free agency. I think the Sox likely felt no player is worth more than that or for more than 10 years. The record of these large and long deals support their thinking, but man, what a PR hit the team takes when he walks. (This is coming from the poster, who I believe, suggested the highest and longest offer out of anyone else on the board.)
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Remember we used DHern, first, and he was actually worse than the horror show Diekman was.
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Happiness is a good thing. Can we all agree on that?
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Max, I'm on your side on this issue. I don't think the lack of a star closer is the major reason we are not closer in the WC race. I do think we could have a few more wins than we have, if we had a better closer, but until someone says at who's expense, I'm not sure about claiming X amount of net wins. Personally, I wish we had used Houck as the closer from day one and never tried the piggy-back idea. I'm okay with using Whitlock as a starter, because we needed him, there, but I wish we could have used him as a high leverage set-up man from day one (multiple innings, too.) Injuries and other factors made a lot of Cora's choices "lose-lose," and I think Bloom deserves some heat for forcing that on Cora. The fact is, we are 50-6 when leading after 8 IP. For anyone to think we'd have more than 4-5 more wins with a solid traditional closer, I'd like to see an explanation. Plus, had we signed a closer, who do we not sign? If we used Houck or Whitlock as a closer, who starts or sets up? How many games do we lose by using someone else in those open roles? This is not an easy thing to prove from either side.
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I'm not saying 5 hits and 4 walks is good offense, but how many times have we had 10-12 hits but none with men is scoring position? We finally maximized our hits, and people seem to just focus on the bad.
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If you figure the money you could make on more upfront money vs deferred money, the difference is less than it appears. Yes, I think the COVID situation changed the market, too, but that was likely more in LA's favor.
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We all know why.
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Even that rubric is flawed, because things changed that off season, and often do. Take the Kimbrel trade. When we traded so many prospects for him, he was making at or near top closer FA market money, and that was one part of the deal I thought was the balance-breaker against the deal, but quickly, the closer "market clost" rose so much, his deal was an underpay for all 3 years. The offer we made to Betts was not really that much lower than the offer he ended up signing. It was the 2 extra years that made up the difference. I'm not claiming that's not huge, but I'm not sure I'd say the reported offer to Betts was "lowball." Lester- YES! Bogey- YES! Devers- ??? (Does anyone know what it was? Plus, it may not be their final offer.)
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I know most of "the good" centered around just Pivetta and Barnes, but we did only allow 4 hits and 4BBs to the Pirates. 27 outs. 8 men let on base. No fielding errors made. No major running blunders. Both good things. We got some key hits with men ins coring position, which is something we have lacked, this year. 4 RBis and only 7 men LOB. Good, right? Kike did us a favor by not K'ing 3 times. He only K'd twice and GIDP his other time! LOL, but seriously, he did get an RBI Sac Fly. Not sexy, but good. JD & Hosmer did get on base half the time. Pham got 2 hits. OK, Schreiber had a bad pitch, out of 12 pitches (the 2B,) but I thought he actually pitched well. Barnes was enough for me to see an overall plus, last night.
