moonslav59

What's the tax at $60M+?

That was one area I thought the players might give something up. So, there is a limit, a $20M, $40M and $60M line, or just one at $20M and $80M ($60 M above)??

What did the end up agreeing on for the tax rate for level 1 and level 2?

Why do we need to trade "for" them?

Tyler Anderson to... where else... LAD for $8M/1

I think the whole lefties in the pen thing is being blown out of proportion. 5 of our top 6-7 RP'ers are righties. The rest will fight for innings and mop up chances. R Whitlock R Houck R Barnes L Taylor R Brasier R Sawamura/ L Diekman/ L Strahm/ L DHern/ L A Davis/ R Valdez If we move Houck or Whitlock to the rotation, we'll still have 3 of our top 4-5 RP'ers as RHPs.

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So, maybe the 3.1 value BTV gave Voit was a tad high. Voit 3.1 Lange 1.7

That remains to be seen. Pablito did hit .778 the last 2 years of his deal while with SF. That's more than Correa has hit in 2 of his last 4 seasons. BTW, Correa is at .811 over the last 4 years, combined- certainly not "elite" as someone keeps repeating over and over. That's not a whole lot better than Story's career away OPS of .752. (Not meant as an endorsement of Story.)

Yankees? 8 Volpe 60 Peraza 61 Dominguez 96 Wells

It was weird that Nomar was going to move off SS for Arod, then the deal fell through, and although Nomar was no stellar defender at SS, nobody was as bad as Jeter.

Oa Lito made less than half what Correa will make.

Agreed. He was not my idea of a worthy plan B, but at this point, if Story is the plan B, I'm not sure about much of anything.

I feel the pain, but all the deals are not done, yet. Maybe Bloom is waiting to pounce on the left-overs.

The Padres are the type of team that would want guys like Voit or Torres- not the A's/

Correa would be the worst signing since CC.

That may happen at the deadline.

Agreed, you either trade Bogey or move Bogey to 2B. (BTW, when the Yanks got ARod, they should have moved Jeter not ARod off SS.)

We just signed old friends Travis Shaw and Deivy Grullon to minor league deals. Bloom is el fuego!

Jorge Soler, thought by some to be our possible plan B to Susuzki, is talking to ATL & SDP. No rumors connected to the Sox.

Well, if you are planning your rebuild around 2026, then that value will never be realized.

You're welcome. It also shows a near continuous signing and extension pattern, and it also shows 2006 and 2017 with no major or tier 2 moves. Here is the combined tier 1 and tier 2 list: Blue= My idea of a good deal (maybe not great): 12 Black= Okay or undetermined, so far: 11 Red= Bad, or bad, so far:11 2022 $19M/2 Barnes 2021 Kike $14M/2 2020 Sale $145M/5 w opt out Bogey $120M/6 w opt out 2019 Nate $68M/4 2018 JD $110M/5 2016 Price $217M/7 Porcello $83M/4 2015 Pablito $95M/5 HRam $88M/4 $18M/2 Uehara $19M/3 Miley 2014 Pedroia $110M/8 R Castillo $73M/7 (IFA) Napoli $32M/2 2013 Vic $39M/3 Dempster $27M/2 (retired after 1 season) Ortiz $26M/2 2012 AGon $154M/7 Buchholz $30M/4 2011 Crawford $142M/7 Josh Beckett $68M/4 2010 Lackey $83M/5 Cameron $16M/2 2009 Youkilis $41M/4 Lester $30M/5 2008 Lowell $38M/3 2007 JD Drew $70M/5 Dice-K $52M/6 (+ hefty posting fee as IFA) Lugo $36M/4 2005 Renteria $40M/4 (ended u being about $40M/1) VTek $40M/4 Clement $26M/3 2004 Foulke $26M/4 2002 Damon $31M/4 2001 Manny $160M/8 1999 Offerman $26M/4

Not doubting you, but can you name the 13?

I may be in a small minority, but I'd actually be fine with going into the 2022 season with this roster, if I was 100% sure we will be making a big move to get to a top 3-5 roster, next winter. I might even be fine for 2024, if we did enough to stay entertaining for these two year. I'm having doubts about us going large and long enough to bring us another ring in the next 4-5 years. Maybe the plan is to try and get one without doing so, but will that mean we watch Devers and Bogey walk (or trade them?) I shutter to think of those upcoming rosters. If the plan is to spend near the tax line every year, I think we are bound to be top competitors and some point in the next 3-4 years, but it remains to be seen, if we do it without some major "large & long" signings. Here is a list of our last major signings: Red= extension only from 2009 to today 2020 Sale $145M/5 w opt out Bogey $120M/6 w opt out 2019 Nate $68M/4 2018 JD $110M/5 2016 Price $217M/7 Porcello $83M/4 2015 Pablito $95M/5 HRam $88M/4 2014 Pedroia $110M/8 2011 Crawford $142M/7 2010 Lackey $83M/5 2007 JD Drew $70M/5 2001 Manny $160M/8 Tier 2 (some not large-some not long & Kike and others not really large or long) 2022 $19M/2 Barnes 2021 Kike $14M/2 2015 $18M/2 Uehara $19M/3 Miley 2014 Napoli $32M/2 R Castillo $73M/7 (IFA) 2013 Vic $39M/3 Dempster $27M/2 (retired after 1 season) Ortiz $26M/2 2012 AGon $154M/7 Buchholz $30M/4 2011 Josh Beckett $68M/4 2010 Cameron $16M/2 2009 Youkilis $41M/4 Lester $30M/5 2008 Lowell $38M/3 2007 Dice-K $52M/6 (+ hefty posting fee as IFA) Lugo $36M/4 2005 Renteria $40M/4 (ended u being about $40M/1) VTek $40M/4 Clement $26M/3 2004 Foulke $26M/4 2002 Damon $31M/4 1999 Offerman $26M/4 Not counting trading for large salaries with multiple years remaining, like JBJ, Kimbrel, Allen Craig, Jake Peavy, VMart, Mike Lowell, Jason Bay

I did not mention interest in all these players, except maybe the 2Bmen