moonslav59

On the strawman's ledger, yes.

The "This is not a game thread" idea was brilliant. I'm kinda glad it didn't work, though.

You crack me up!

Updated 2023 Luxury Tax Dollars ($Millions) SP 25.6 Sale ~8.5 Pivetta (Arb 2 of 3) .72 Winckowski (pre Arb) .72 Crawford (pre Arb) .72 Mata (pre Arb) .72 Bello (pre Arb) minor Seabold (pre Arb) minor Kelly (pre Arb) minor Bazardo (pre Arb) minor Ort (pre Arb) RP 9.4 Barnes 4.7 Whitlock 1.5 Brasier (Arb 3 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23 or nontendered) 1.1 Taylor (Arb 2 of 4) .80 DHern (Arb 1 of 3) .73 Houck (pre Arb) .73 Schreiber (pre Arb) minor Danish (pre Arb) minor P Valdez (pre Arb) minor K Ort (pre Arb) C ~1M McGuire (Arb 1 of 3) .72 Wong (pre Arb) minor R Hernandez (pre Arb) 1B .72 Hosmer (SD pays the rest) ~1.0 Cordero (Arb 2 of 3) minor Dalbec (pre Arb) 2B 1.3 Arroyo (Arb 2 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23) .72 E Valdez (miLFA) 3B ~25 Devers (Arb 3 of 3) SS 23.4 Story minor Downs (pre Arb) LF ~6.0M Verdugo (Arb 2 of 3) minor Duran (pre Arb) CF 10.0 Kike minor Ja Davis (pre Arb) RF ~1.5 Refsnyder (Arb 2 of 3) Maybe $120M Total That's 36 players with 2 more having options: 13.0 Paxton 6.0 Pham Certainly some will be traded, non-tendered or DFA'd and we have 5-6 Rule 5 prospects we will be protecting: Rafaela German Walter Murphy W Gonzalez/Paulino/T Ward

I don't like it either. I've argued for a floor cap for as long as I can remember. One reason it is "possible" for the Rays to just spend more and win, is because they have a great system outside the budget. The Pirates could spend $200M, this winter and still suck.

The reality is their owner won’t spend, and maybe partially because it won’t add much revenue

3 year opt out not 3 year deal. Maybe $250M/10 but $35M the first 3, then $22M x 7. He will likely opt out but this protects him from injury or early decline.

Do what it takes. Front end load it, even if that encourages an opt out. Just get me… Devers forevers!

One thing to note: if the Rays win a ring, will their revenues go up significantly? I doubt it. That doesn’t mean that’s why they don’t spend big, even once, but they do make the occasional Charlie Morton signing.

Well said.

Two big reasons: 1. The QO scares some teams away from even talking about signing a QO FA. 2. Yes, he would get a multi year offer but maybe likes $18M/1 better than $40M/3. If he does well two years in a row he’ll make a ton next contract plus $18M

Sox prospects has him with one, and they have never put him on waivers, that I know of.

They care about winning. It’s obvious. The budget prevents rings but trading stars at just the right time is part of why they win more consistently than big spending Boston.

One problem is, we could bring Bogey back, even on a hometown discount and still see a decline at SS over the term of the deal, and I mean from year one. I don’t expect it, in fact I think he’ll do better next year, but who know? Who knows how Turner, Correa or Swanson will do either? Hell, I wanted Baez, last year! yikes!!!

Another big problem is, if Wacha and Nate accept their QO, we can only realistically improve, if both stay healthy and give us more IP without regression (well, maybe Wacha regresses as much as Nate progresses.).

One big problem is we may want to reset in 2024. The QO's would help us do that, and hopefully, some prospect arms will be proven by then.

Yes. I think they realized it would be a PR nightmare and a huge disruption to the team to ask him if he would waive the No Trade Clause. They might also be thinking they will try hard to extend him. (I just hope not at Devers' expense.)

He's still got 1,000 inning on that arm! LOL

It wouldnt let me edit '18 to '20.

To me, the 3 years Dugo gave us was worth the wasted 2020 season. I doubt Betts and a healthy Sale & ERod would have won us a ring in '18. Wong is gravy.

I agree, but it's $23.4 x 6.

I'd like to keep both, too, but unless I'm convince JH will open and keep open his wallet for the next 3-5 years, I don't see how it will work. If a reset is planned in the next 2-3 years, and remember, the penalties for year 3 are enormous, how can we field a competitive teams, unless the farm jolts us to prominence. Bogey + Devers will be $55M+ on the tax line. Add Sale and we're at $80M, or more than 1/3 the player budget on just 3 players- one who may not even be playing. Just taking 2023 and forgetting about future resets, how can it be done? Bringing back Bogey and Devers fills no holes. At best, we stay the same, and likely will get worse beyond 2023 at SS/3B. We'd have $25-30M to spend on SP, SP, SP, Closer, RP, RF, DH without even touching 1B or C, which are also question marks for 2023. It's impossible, unless and until JH changes his tune.

Well, Bogey had a no-trade clause, so that might have kept Bloom from doing what he preferred to do... or not.

Did the Sox really think seeing him for 2 months in 2022 was going to convince them to keep or not keep him at $26M/2? I'm 99% sure they take the options, despite not seeing one IP from Paxton. The injury he sustained is not long term.

Certainly a Sox GM worries about losing viewership and attendance revenue. Isn't that worrying about fan reaction to harsh rebuild moves? It seemed like there was quite an uproar over just dumping Vaz and not trading for the next Schwarber.